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	<title>Comments on: (MUST READ) North Korea: the inheritors of the Hirohito spirit?</title>
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		<title>By: Will it Be as Cosmopolitan an Auschwitz? &#124; The Marmot's Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/#comment-167172</link>
		<dc:creator>Will it Be as Cosmopolitan an Auschwitz? &#124; The Marmot's Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so North Korea might not be enthusiastic about sullying the bloodlines or letting a single drop of ink into the Hangang River, but they will turn Pyongyang into an international city by 2012. North Korea is creating a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so North Korea might not be enthusiastic about sullying the bloodlines or letting a single drop of ink into the Hangang River, but they will turn Pyongyang into an international city by 2012. North Korea is creating a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering the USS Pueblo at ROK Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/#comment-65629</link>
		<dc:creator>Remembering the USS Pueblo at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stu&#8217;s words about his experiences in 1968, I think it is safe to say not much has changed in North Korea to this day.  The prisoners were eventually taken by train from Wonsan to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stu&#8217;s words about his experiences in 1968, I think it is safe to say not much has changed in North Korea to this day.  The prisoners were eventually taken by train from Wonsan to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; O Roh Is Me</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/#comment-57628</link>
		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; O Roh Is Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee may be the only living Korean who&#8217;s almost as much of a megalomaniac as Kim Jong Il.  Notwithstanding some lip service to the human rights issue, it shouldn&#8217;t be much of a shock to see Lee&#8217;s willingness to directly defy two unanimous U.N. resolutions to preserve a tyrannical system that lures the greedy the cheapest and most submissive labor within a thousand miles of Pohang.  After all, that system shares common genes with another, less tyrannical system that molded Lee&#8217;s own world view.  Like Park, Lee is more reactionary than revolutionary, which means that he&#8217;ll have trouble holding onto the support of young voters, or even softening their opposition to him.  The best that can be said of Lee Myung Bak is that Korea could do much worse. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee may be the only living Korean who&#8217;s almost as much of a megalomaniac as Kim Jong Il.  Notwithstanding some lip service to the human rights issue, it shouldn&#8217;t be much of a shock to see Lee&#8217;s willingness to directly defy two unanimous U.N. resolutions to preserve a tyrannical system that lures the greedy the cheapest and most submissive labor within a thousand miles of Pohang.  After all, that system shares common genes with another, less tyrannical system that molded Lee&#8217;s own world view.  Like Park, Lee is more reactionary than revolutionary, which means that he&#8217;ll have trouble holding onto the support of young voters, or even softening their opposition to him.  The best that can be said of Lee Myung Bak is that Korea could do much worse. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: (MUST READ) DPRK could descend into warlordism: report at The Marmot&#8217;s Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/must-read-north-korea-the-inheritors-of-the-hirohito-spirit/#comment-54201</link>
		<dc:creator>(MUST READ) DPRK could descend into warlordism: report at The Marmot&#8217;s Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I&#8217;ve mentioned here on the blog, warlordism in the DPRK could be a very scary thing.  Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As I&#8217;ve mentioned here on the blog, warlordism in the DPRK could be a very scary thing.  Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jefferyhodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefferyhodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myers' article is interesting and insightful, and I've also &lt;a href="http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2006/10/b-r-myers-kim-jong-ils-suicide-watch.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;commented&lt;/a&gt; on it, but I wonder if the brainwashing has really worked so well -- especially now that the population is becoming aware of the North's poverty.

Jeffery Hodges

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myers&#8217; article is interesting and insightful, and I&#8217;ve also <a href="http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2006/10/b-r-myers-kim-jong-ils-suicide-watch.html" rel="nofollow">commented</a> on it, but I wonder if the brainwashing has really worked so well &#8212; especially now that the population is becoming aware of the North&#8217;s poverty.</p>
<p>Jeffery Hodges</p>
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		<title>By: L'Ombre de l'Olivier</title>
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		<dc:creator>L'Ombre de l'Olivier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Kim Point of View...&lt;/strong&gt;

A few years back I was a dedicated Kuro5hin reader. These days, I regret to say, I am not, primarily because it looks like most of the good writers have buggered off who knows where. However every now and then a good post shows up there and this one .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Kim Point of View&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A few years back I was a dedicated Kuro5hin reader. These days, I regret to say, I am not, primarily because it looks like most of the good writers have buggered off who knows where. However every now and then a good post shows up there and this one &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t believe the fear of angry/racist officer staging a coup has become an issue in defector debriefings of military officers. I interviewed two former North Korean officers, and while I never addressed that scenario specifically, they did not give any credence to the notion of a military led coup (that was in early 2005, about two and five years respectively after they fled North Korea).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t believe the fear of angry/racist officer staging a coup has become an issue in defector debriefings of military officers. I interviewed two former North Korean officers, and while I never addressed that scenario specifically, they did not give any credence to the notion of a military led coup (that was in early 2005, about two and five years respectively after they fled North Korea).</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#124; Blog Archive &#187; U.N.S.C.R. 1718: Who Won, Who Lost (Kim Jong Il Unplugged, Part 13)</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#124; Blog Archive &#187; U.N.S.C.R. 1718: Who Won, Who Lost (Kim Jong Il Unplugged, Part 13)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] North Korea: Big Loser. Even if you think North Korea&#8217;s disengagement is studied, you can&#8217;t believe they can be happy with the domestic or financial consequences this could have. I increasingly lean toward there being a less rational explanation for why North Korea does what it does, and in that regard, the Marmot has put up one of his best posts ever, drawing a comparison I&#8217;ve wanted to write about but never did &#8212; the Shinto genes of North Korean ideology (I have written about the Shinto / fascist genes in South Korean ideology).  If the North Koreans really think that they can accomplish their objectives by &#8220;using the force,&#8221; the implications are incredibly scary.  On one hand, you might not want to rile them, except that if you don&#8217;t get in their way, they&#8217;re determined to gather strength for the Great Gotterdammerung. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] North Korea: Big Loser. Even if you think North Korea&#8217;s disengagement is studied, you can&#8217;t believe they can be happy with the domestic or financial consequences this could have. I increasingly lean toward there being a less rational explanation for why North Korea does what it does, and in that regard, the Marmot has put up one of his best posts ever, drawing a comparison I&#8217;ve wanted to write about but never did &#8212; the Shinto genes of North Korean ideology (I have written about the Shinto / fascist genes in South Korean ideology).  If the North Koreans really think that they can accomplish their objectives by &#8220;using the force,&#8221; the implications are incredibly scary.  On one hand, you might not want to rile them, except that if you don&#8217;t get in their way, they&#8217;re determined to gather strength for the Great Gotterdammerung. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s put it this way…to use the Japanese analogy, say in 1941 or so there’d been a coup overthrowing Hirohito (I don’t know if that really makes sense, though; wouldn’t he have been more of a figurehead?). Anyhow, let’s say it happened. Then the whole Japanese propaganda machine—predicated on the divinity of the emperor and all that jazz—would have collapsed, right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While the hijacking of the Japanese government in the early 20th Century might not have exactly been a 'coup' so to speak, it certainly did do a lot to diminish the power of the Emperor.  So even despite his purported 'divinity' (or perhaps because of it), the Japanese Emperor was kept out of the loop.  And of course, this was the situation throughout much of Japanese history -- the Emperor has very rarely exerted any kind of real power over his nation, leaving control to (at various times), the daimyo, shogun, and other military leaders.

So it wouldn't necessarily be a stretch to say that the same thing could happen in North Korea.  A military coup wouldn't have to strike at KJI, but rather at his handlers.  The coup leaders could leave the Kim regime in place as the 'spiritual head' of the North Korean nation, even while isolating him from anything more than a ceremonial role, much like what happened to the Japanese Emperors.  

So would that cause the propaganda machine to collapse?  Not necessarily.  After all, although KJI may be considered 'divine', the people around him generally aren't.  Heck, the leaders of the coup might end up believing that they were simply removing the people who were attempting to 'corrupt' KJI, and then keeping him in isolation 'for his own good.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s put it this way…to use the Japanese analogy, say in 1941 or so there’d been a coup overthrowing Hirohito (I don’t know if that really makes sense, though; wouldn’t he have been more of a figurehead?). Anyhow, let’s say it happened. Then the whole Japanese propaganda machine—predicated on the divinity of the emperor and all that jazz—would have collapsed, right?</p></blockquote>
<p>While the hijacking of the Japanese government in the early 20th Century might not have exactly been a &#8216;coup&#8217; so to speak, it certainly did do a lot to diminish the power of the Emperor.  So even despite his purported &#8216;divinity&#8217; (or perhaps because of it), the Japanese Emperor was kept out of the loop.  And of course, this was the situation throughout much of Japanese history &#8212; the Emperor has very rarely exerted any kind of real power over his nation, leaving control to (at various times), the daimyo, shogun, and other military leaders.</p>
<p>So it wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be a stretch to say that the same thing could happen in North Korea.  A military coup wouldn&#8217;t have to strike at KJI, but rather at his handlers.  The coup leaders could leave the Kim regime in place as the &#8217;spiritual head&#8217; of the North Korean nation, even while isolating him from anything more than a ceremonial role, much like what happened to the Japanese Emperors.  </p>
<p>So would that cause the propaganda machine to collapse?  Not necessarily.  After all, although KJI may be considered &#8216;divine&#8217;, the people around him generally aren&#8217;t.  Heck, the leaders of the coup might end up believing that they were simply removing the people who were attempting to &#8216;corrupt&#8217; KJI, and then keeping him in isolation &#8216;for his own good.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William G---I meant that Tojo said "Sometime you must close your eyes...," not that he took power in a coup.  I'll reword that to make it clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William G&#8212;I meant that Tojo said &#8220;Sometime you must close your eyes&#8230;,&#8221; not that he took power in a coup.  I&#8217;ll reword that to make it clearer.</p>
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