Comments on: Killing Women and Children and Re-writing Kogureyo History http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:58:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-52025 R. Elgin Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:42:32 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-52025 Nope "shakuhachi", there are artifacts, there is a history (not KBS history). It is the only the interpretation of that history that is questionable, especially if such a history is used to justify actions that are otherwise unjustified. Nope “shakuhachi”, there are artifacts, there is a history (not KBS history).
It is the only the interpretation of that history that is questionable, especially if such a history is used to justify actions that are otherwise unjustified.

]]> By: shakuhachi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-52013 shakuhachi Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:38:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-52013 "Re-writing Kogureyo History"? Does Kogureyo even have a written history? Is not most of what is written about Kogureyo pure fantasy, a product of conjecture about a dead civilzation? “Re-writing Kogureyo History”? Does Kogureyo even have a written history? Is not most of what is written about Kogureyo pure fantasy, a product of conjecture about a dead civilzation?

]]> By: railwaycharm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51984 railwaycharm Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:17:01 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51984 I don't know if China wants the hassle of the Norks, just the real estate. I don’t know if China wants the hassle of the Norks, just the real estate.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51974 SomeguyinKorea Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:47:16 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51974 "It may not mean much to the victims, but a government that has not clearly enunciated a policy of extermination can open itself to internal and external pressure to discourage de facto massacres." Yes, but China has often ignored criticism of its policies in Tibet. The few times it hasn't, it did so to lash out at the West, accusing us hypocrisy. Besides, China has been caught in its lies before. In all likelihood, it will conduct a cursory investigation to defuse the situation...it might even arrest a few of the soldiers involved, charging them of disobeying orders to save face. But, I seriously doubt that the publication of the video will have long-lasting affects on Chinese policy--well, other than preventing foreigners from entering the region. “It may not mean much to the victims, but a government that has not clearly enunciated a policy of extermination can open itself to internal and external pressure to discourage de facto massacres.”

Yes, but China has often ignored criticism of its policies in Tibet. The few times it hasn’t, it did so to lash out at the West, accusing us hypocrisy. Besides, China has been caught in its lies before.

In all likelihood, it will conduct a cursory investigation to defuse the situation…it might even arrest a few of the soldiers involved, charging them of disobeying orders to save face. But, I seriously doubt that the publication of the video will have long-lasting affects on Chinese policy–well, other than preventing foreigners from entering the region.

]]> By: lirelou http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51972 lirelou Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:05:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51972 Someguy, your point that dictators don't just get away with murder in Asia is, of course, valid. Native Americans could also have said the same thing, with far more accuracy, about Moctezuma, and the Aztecs and Maya in general. Your question in post #1 is quite pertinent. It may not mean much to the victims, but a government that has not clearly enunciated a policy of extermination can open itself to internal and external pressure to discourage de facto massacres. Someguy, your point that dictators don’t just get away with murder in Asia is, of course, valid. Native Americans could also have said the same thing, with far more accuracy, about Moctezuma, and the Aztecs and Maya in general. Your question in post #1 is quite pertinent. It may not mean much to the victims, but a government that has not clearly enunciated a policy of extermination can open itself to internal and external pressure to discourage de facto massacres.

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51969 pawikirogi Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:41:30 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51969 'being oblivious to human pain and suffering is not unique to the chinese.' mark in reference to koreans 'hundreds of thousands of iraqis dead as a result of bush war.' headline 'those reports about hundreds of thousands dead is biased and wrong!' expat who claims to care about human suffering ‘being oblivious to human pain and suffering is not unique to the chinese.’ mark in reference to koreans

‘hundreds of thousands of iraqis dead as a result of bush war.’ headline

‘those reports about hundreds of thousands dead is biased and wrong!’ expat who claims to care about human suffering

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51966 Sonagi Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:23:43 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51966 But Brendon, Koreans are one of 56 official nationalities in the PRC. The North Korean Autonomous Province will be allowed to send delegates to the National People's Congress, provided they dress up in hanbok as only Han Chinese are allowed to wear modern clothes to the grand annual puppet show known as the NPCC. But Brendon, Koreans are one of 56 official nationalities in the PRC. The North Korean Autonomous Province will be allowed to send delegates to the National People’s Congress, provided they dress up in hanbok as only Han Chinese are allowed to wear modern clothes to the grand annual puppet show known as the NPCC.

]]> By: Zonath http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51964 Zonath Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:05:16 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51964 <blockquote>China’s annexation of North Korea could involve a whole new round of purges, so it could certainly get worse, although one would hope some of KJI’s cronies would get a bullet in the head during the transition for outliving their usefulness.</blockquote> This is true, but on the other hand, who else really has the ability to do much about a collapse of the Kim regime? South Korea certainly has a potential stake there, but I really question whether, once the chips were down, South Korea would be willing to ruin their economy in order to absorb North Korea. Just about the best they could do would be to close off North Korea completely for years (if not decades) while trying to disarm the remaining North Korean military and pump untold amounts of resources up North to keep people from starving and hopefully make things better. Sure, the IMF and other countries might try to help through making loans and the like, but that's a heck of a lot of debt to take on. China, on the other hand, has a much larger economy (which is spread out amongst many more people), so wouldn't take quite as much of a hit by absorbing (or propping up) North Korea. They could even claim that they're 'reunifying' Korea (or rather, Goguryo), by merging North Korea with Gando.

China’s annexation of North Korea could involve a whole new round of purges, so it could certainly get worse, although one would hope some of KJI’s cronies would get a bullet in the head during the transition for outliving their usefulness.

This is true, but on the other hand, who else really has the ability to do much about a collapse of the Kim regime? South Korea certainly has a potential stake there, but I really question whether, once the chips were down, South Korea would be willing to ruin their economy in order to absorb North Korea. Just about the best they could do would be to close off North Korea completely for years (if not decades) while trying to disarm the remaining North Korean military and pump untold amounts of resources up North to keep people from starving and hopefully make things better. Sure, the IMF and other countries might try to help through making loans and the like, but that’s a heck of a lot of debt to take on.

China, on the other hand, has a much larger economy (which is spread out amongst many more people), so wouldn’t take quite as much of a hit by absorbing (or propping up) North Korea. They could even claim that they’re ‘reunifying’ Korea (or rather, Goguryo), by merging North Korea with Gando.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51947 SomeguyinKorea Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:30:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51947 So, we seem to agree that North Korea conducted the test for the affects it will have on its internal politics, to stave off the threat of a Chinese invasion, and to cause a rift between SK, Japan, and the US. So, we seem to agree that North Korea conducted the test for the affects it will have on its internal politics, to stave off the threat of a Chinese invasion, and to cause a rift between SK, Japan, and the US.

]]> By: captbbq http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51942 captbbq Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:07:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/killing-women-and-children-and-re-writing-kogureyo-history/#comment-51942 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0itMps9XY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0itMps9XY</a> I uploaded this to YouTube, it will get a much wider audience there, I hope. It pisses me off how this stuff is always streamed with no way of saving it. That is the surest way for it to be forgotten. So, if anyone wants to download the video to keep it on their computer, the link to download it is <a href="http://web4.protv.ro/assets/articles/files/stire_tibet.flv" rel="nofollow">here</a> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL0itMps9XY

I uploaded this to YouTube, it will get a much wider audience there, I hope. It pisses me off how this stuff is always streamed with no way of saving it. That is the surest way for it to be forgotten. So, if anyone wants to download the video to keep it on their computer, the link to download it is here

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