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	<title>Comments on: 43% of Koreans blame U.S. for nuke test</title>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-52179</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned Lamont, the liberal hero who vanquished Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman in a Democratic primary in August, declared a few months ago that our nation is stronger when we "negotiate with our enemies." He thus neatly summarized post-9/11 Democratic foreign-policy thought in four words. The criminal regime of North Korea's "Dear Leader" Kim Jong Il has now issued a rejoinder to this foreign-policy axiom that measured 4.2 on the Richter scale. 


The North Korean nuclear test punctuates more than a decade's worth of deal-making, confidence-building, cajoling and negotiating with a regime that has responded to it all only by enhancing its rogue status. The risible six-party talks, an effort by the U.S. and neighboring nations to reason with Kim Jong Il, had been in abeyance since the North walked away from them this year. But Democrats are attacking the Bush administration for not talking with the North directly, as if it is the shape of the negotiating table, rather than the nature of the North Korea regime, that has been the problem. 


The Clinton administration dealt directly with the North, producing the Agreed Framework, a sham that the North Koreans began cheating on, in the words of former Secretary of State Colin Powell, "as the ink was drying." The North agreed to freeze its nuclear program in exchange for two light-water nuclear reactors and fuel deliveries. Immediately, however, it set up a secret uranium-enrichment program and obstructed inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency. When the U.S. called the North on it in 2002, the North confessed, expelled IAEA inspectors, withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and accelerated its nuclear quest. 


Democrats would have us believe that this is all the fault of Bush cowboy diplomacy. The U.S. had the temerity to notice that the North Koreans were cheating, by pocketing the Agreed Framework's economic goodies while still pursuing its weapons. How undiplomatic of us! 


Which is not to say that the Bush administration has performed well. It has repeatedly said things like "we are not going to live with a nuclear North Korea." This is an empty threat that serves only to erode U.S. credibility and convince other rogues — most importantly, Iran — that they can get away with things we warn against in the strongest possible terms. North Korea is nuclear, and we are indeed going to live with it for now, because there is no viable military option. 


The administration's six-party talks, meanwhile, made sense in theory as a way to bring North Korea's most influential neighbors into any deal-making, but the neighbors have proven unreliable. As North Korea has become ever more aggressive, the South has become ever more supine. China is the North's economic lifeline and at any point in the past decade could have helped bring Kim Jong Il to heel. But Beijing fears a North Korean collapse that might send desperate refugees fleeing into China, and prefers a divided Korean peninsula to one that is united, democratic and allied with the United States. 


We need to junk the six-party talks and pressure Pyongyang on all fronts, toward the long-term goal of the collapse of its government. All of the North's sources of income are illegal — counterfeiting, WMD trade and narcotics trafficking — and we can crack down on them further. We should refurbish our nuclear deterrent by telling the North Koreans that any use of nuclear weapons will mean the end of their country, and perhaps by rotating nuclear bombers into Japan. Together with the Japanese and Taiwanese, we can implement a strict inspection regime on all North Korean shipping, a necessity since the most dire aspect of the North Korean threat is the possibility it will slip nuclear materials to even more malevolent actors. 


In the case of North Korea, we have talked to our enemy, and it only has made him stronger. It's time for action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned Lamont, the liberal hero who vanquished Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman in a Democratic primary in August, declared a few months ago that our nation is stronger when we &#8220;negotiate with our enemies.&#8221; He thus neatly summarized post-9/11 Democratic foreign-policy thought in four words. The criminal regime of North Korea&#8217;s &#8220;Dear Leader&#8221; Kim Jong Il has now issued a rejoinder to this foreign-policy axiom that measured 4.2 on the Richter scale. </p>
<p>The North Korean nuclear test punctuates more than a decade&#8217;s worth of deal-making, confidence-building, cajoling and negotiating with a regime that has responded to it all only by enhancing its rogue status. The risible six-party talks, an effort by the U.S. and neighboring nations to reason with Kim Jong Il, had been in abeyance since the North walked away from them this year. But Democrats are attacking the Bush administration for not talking with the North directly, as if it is the shape of the negotiating table, rather than the nature of the North Korea regime, that has been the problem. </p>
<p>The Clinton administration dealt directly with the North, producing the Agreed Framework, a sham that the North Koreans began cheating on, in the words of former Secretary of State Colin Powell, &#8220;as the ink was drying.&#8221; The North agreed to freeze its nuclear program in exchange for two light-water nuclear reactors and fuel deliveries. Immediately, however, it set up a secret uranium-enrichment program and obstructed inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency. When the U.S. called the North on it in 2002, the North confessed, expelled IAEA inspectors, withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and accelerated its nuclear quest. </p>
<p>Democrats would have us believe that this is all the fault of Bush cowboy diplomacy. The U.S. had the temerity to notice that the North Koreans were cheating, by pocketing the Agreed Framework&#8217;s economic goodies while still pursuing its weapons. How undiplomatic of us! </p>
<p>Which is not to say that the Bush administration has performed well. It has repeatedly said things like &#8220;we are not going to live with a nuclear North Korea.&#8221; This is an empty threat that serves only to erode U.S. credibility and convince other rogues — most importantly, Iran — that they can get away with things we warn against in the strongest possible terms. North Korea is nuclear, and we are indeed going to live with it for now, because there is no viable military option. </p>
<p>The administration&#8217;s six-party talks, meanwhile, made sense in theory as a way to bring North Korea&#8217;s most influential neighbors into any deal-making, but the neighbors have proven unreliable. As North Korea has become ever more aggressive, the South has become ever more supine. China is the North&#8217;s economic lifeline and at any point in the past decade could have helped bring Kim Jong Il to heel. But Beijing fears a North Korean collapse that might send desperate refugees fleeing into China, and prefers a divided Korean peninsula to one that is united, democratic and allied with the United States. </p>
<p>We need to junk the six-party talks and pressure Pyongyang on all fronts, toward the long-term goal of the collapse of its government. All of the North&#8217;s sources of income are illegal — counterfeiting, WMD trade and narcotics trafficking — and we can crack down on them further. We should refurbish our nuclear deterrent by telling the North Koreans that any use of nuclear weapons will mean the end of their country, and perhaps by rotating nuclear bombers into Japan. Together with the Japanese and Taiwanese, we can implement a strict inspection regime on all North Korean shipping, a necessity since the most dire aspect of the North Korean threat is the possibility it will slip nuclear materials to even more malevolent actors. </p>
<p>In the case of North Korea, we have talked to our enemy, and it only has made him stronger. It&#8217;s time for action.</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-52168</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Clinton set the stage for the little b*stard to throw the switch. His weak deal with KJI gave the creep the time he needed to sharpen his axe with no inspectors in sight. I don’t blame the US, I blame Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Clinton set the stage for the little b*stard to throw the switch. His weak deal with KJI gave the creep the time he needed to sharpen his axe with no inspectors in sight. I don’t blame the US, I blame Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What "goodwill?" One of the biggest myths of all time is that the world had all this goodwill toward America after 9/11 and big bad meanie Dubya squandered it. Let's face it, Europe has always hated us because we're successful and we represent a threat to their vacation-loving wealth-redistributive ignore-the-problem-and-it-will-go-away way of life. At least Asians respect us because they're not afraid to compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8220;goodwill?&#8221; One of the biggest myths of all time is that the world had all this goodwill toward America after 9/11 and big bad meanie Dubya squandered it. Let&#8217;s face it, Europe has always hated us because we&#8217;re successful and we represent a threat to their vacation-loving wealth-redistributive ignore-the-problem-and-it-will-go-away way of life. At least Asians respect us because they&#8217;re not afraid to compete.</p>
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		<title>By: Origami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised 57% Koreans don't blame America. Certainly better numbers than what's going on in America these days. I don't blame Bush for what's going on in NK, but he certainly has wasted a great deal of "good will" capital on Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised 57% Koreans don&#8217;t blame America. Certainly better numbers than what&#8217;s going on in America these days. I don&#8217;t blame Bush for what&#8217;s going on in NK, but he certainly has wasted a great deal of &#8220;good will&#8221; capital on Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: tmc1233</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-52138</link>
		<dc:creator>tmc1233</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I add to my previous post, I want to make clear that in general, I have a great respect for Korea and Koreans, and I am not in the least bit cynical of my stay here.

Anyways, some Koreans seem to be incapable of blaming anything on anyone who is also Korean.  I am sure that I will get slammed for writing that, but I have seen this in practice too many times.  

As an example I even had cases in the past where I would have an issue with a poorly behaved student, would refer him to the director, and the director would take the 10 year old brat's word over mine.  If memory serves, she actually told me that she took his word over mine, because he was Korean and I wasn't.

Also, if I remember correctly, in Michael Breen's book 'The Koreans' there is mention of this phenomenon as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I add to my previous post, I want to make clear that in general, I have a great respect for Korea and Koreans, and I am not in the least bit cynical of my stay here.</p>
<p>Anyways, some Koreans seem to be incapable of blaming anything on anyone who is also Korean.  I am sure that I will get slammed for writing that, but I have seen this in practice too many times.  </p>
<p>As an example I even had cases in the past where I would have an issue with a poorly behaved student, would refer him to the director, and the director would take the 10 year old brat&#8217;s word over mine.  If memory serves, she actually told me that she took his word over mine, because he was Korean and I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Also, if I remember correctly, in Michael Breen&#8217;s book &#8216;The Koreans&#8217; there is mention of this phenomenon as well.</p>
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		<title>By: tmc1233</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-52136</link>
		<dc:creator>tmc1233</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, predictable.  How can you blame them when the media spoonfeed crap that probably suggests that the North was coming around until that big meanie Bush came around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, predictable.  How can you blame them when the media spoonfeed crap that probably suggests that the North was coming around until that big meanie Bush came around?</p>
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		<title>By: Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-51997</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iheartblueballs,

You underestimate the popularity of cricket in the U.S., sir.  It's right up there behind soccer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iheartblueballs,</p>
<p>You underestimate the popularity of cricket in the U.S., sir.  It&#8217;s right up there behind soccer.</p>
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		<title>By: The_William_G</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-51992</link>
		<dc:creator>The_William_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing:

It's not a majority view. The majority of the (five hundred) respondends think the blame lies with the Koreas. Anyone using this yellow journalism as a basis for fanning the flames of nationlist rhetoric/ personal-issues-venting should be embarassed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a majority view. The majority of the (five hundred) respondends think the blame lies with the Koreas. Anyone using this yellow journalism as a basis for fanning the flames of nationlist rhetoric/ personal-issues-venting should be embarassed.</p>
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		<title>By: iheartblueballs</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-51991</link>
		<dc:creator>iheartblueballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay nomad, i'll concede to 4 or 5.  

call every american you know living in the states, and i'll bet you as many have read this story...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061011/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketct2006rsagibbs;_ylt=Av5jJ6vgCBhypBnh8IC6EOS96Q8F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

...as have read the Korean poll story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay nomad, i&#8217;ll concede to 4 or 5.  </p>
<p>call every american you know living in the states, and i&#8217;ll bet you as many have read this story&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061011/wl_sthasia_afp/cricketct2006rsagibbs;_ylt=Av5jJ6vgCBhypBnh8IC6EOS96Q8F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....hdA&#8211;</a></p>
<p>&#8230;as have read the Korean poll story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/15/43-of-koreans-blame-us-for-nuke-test/#comment-51990</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"about 3 Americans outside of Korea will ever hear about this poll"

I'd put the number a little higher than 3: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061016/wl_asia_afp/nkoreanuclearweaponsskorea_061016024433

That is, if anyone bothers reading the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;about 3 Americans outside of Korea will ever hear about this poll&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d put the number a little higher than 3: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061016/wl_asia_afp/nkoreanuclearweaponsskorea_061016024433" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20.....1016024433</a></p>
<p>That is, if anyone bothers reading the news.</p>
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