(BREAKING NEWS) N. Korea TESTS NUKE: report

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: This post will continue to be updated below

Original post: Yonhap is reporting that it appears North Korea tested a nuclear device sometime Monday morning, and that the nations concerned have exchanged intelligence.

That’s all the report says. Undoubtedly, there will be more.

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UPDATE 1: A little more detailed Yonhap report. A high-ranking South Korean intelligence official told Yonhap that it received intel that North Korea carried out a nuke test this morning, and that Seoul was now examining things.

President Roh has apparently called a snap meeting of security-related ministeries to discuss measures. Attending this meeting was UN General Secretary Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon, Unification Minister Lee Jong-seok, Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung and Cheong Wa Dae national security secretary Song Min-soon.

And here I was, thinking a nuke test wasn’t imminent.

BTW, the Grand National Party decided yesterday to call for Roh’s resignation in the event of a North Korean nuke test. Will be interesting to watch if the reports are accurate.

UPDATE 2: OK, I guess it’s official now—the KCNA is reporting a successful underground nuke test. You’ll be happy to know that amidst the chest thumping over this “historic” moment, the KCNA did assure us that no radioactivity leaked from the test site. Oh, and the test was conducted using 100 percent homegrown technology—mansei!

And for a bit more specific info about the earlier intel, it appears a 3.58-scale earthquake was detected around Hwadae, Hamkyongbuk-do at 10:36 a.m. Korea time.

UPDATE 3: Reuters (via Yonhap) is reporting that the USGS hasn’t seen anything in North Korea over the last 48 hours. Hmmm….

Also through Reuters via Yonhap, it appears China got word of the impending test 20 minutes before it was carried out. Beijing then immediately notified Washington, Seoul, Tokyo and presumably Moscow.

UPDATE 4: A senior White House official has confirmed North Korea tested a nuclear device, reports FOX News. He did say, however, the blast was considerably smaller than what Pyongyang was hoping for.

Nice… taunting the North Koreans with size issues.

Anyway, I’d prefer to here something a bit more official at this point.

Oh, and South Korean stocks are apparently taking a beating. I guess this is a good time to buy.

UPDATE 5: OK, now the USGS is saying it detected a quake. A 4.2er, in fact. Close to the surface. I think we can assume it wasn’t Kim Jong-il farting.

UPDATE 6: Cheong Wa Dae is pretty pissed, if this statement is anything to go by (HT to Lost Nomad). Heck, Cheong Wa Dae even threw in the fact that South Korea is aligned with the United States. The Unification Ministry, on the other hand, did delay a shipment of rice, but at the same time issued a statement only a Unification Ministry official could make at a time like this.

Gar at Lost Nomad is also reporting that some South Korean official said the “Sunshine Policy” is dead, but I haven’t found any reports to confirm this and, to be frank, I doubt even a nuke test will lead to fundamental changes in Seoul’s North Korea policies.

UPDATE 7: Why today, you might ask? Well, Korean-language Money Today suggests that because today—Oct. 9—falls between two holidays in Korea: the anniversary of Kim Jong-il assuming the position of Korean Workers Party general secretary ( Oct. 8 ) and the anniversary of the founding of the Korean Workers Party ( Oct. 10 ).

UPDATE 8: The South Korean military has upped its alert level. And to give you a better sense of just how nerve-shatteringly tense the situation here is right now, I report that Grand National Party leader Kang Jae-seop has ordered his fellow opposition lawmakers not to play golf or go out carousing. Describing the situation as one of “virtual semi-war,” Kang told GNP lawmakers that for the time being (and despite the fine weather), they should not play golf—even on the weekend!—or enter room salons or similar entertainment establishments. He did, however, make an exception for those lawmakers who had no choice but to shoot a round or two.

UPDATE 9: If you like reading what Timothy Savage had to say about today in OhMyNews International, here it is. Meanwhile, the Oranckay was just happy something finally happened.

UPDATE 10: YTN, quoting AP, points out that some in the United States question whether North Korea’s nuke test was as successful as they claim, and that because of the small size of the explosion, it was hard to draw any hard conclusions about what happened today.

***UPDATE 11: President Roh is now signaling an end to South Korea’s policy of unilaterally engaging Pyongyang.  In a press conference at Cheong Wa Dae, Roh said the North’s nuclear test—or what is believed to have been a nuke test, anyway—was a grave threat to peace in Northeast Asia, and that it would be difficult for Seoul to pursue engagement only with North Korea.  In particular, he said:

We won’t give up on a peaceful solution, a solution through dialogue, but we won’t be able to show patience and yield for everything and accept whatever North Korea does like [we did] in the past… I think Korea’s position to stress ‘continuing with dialogue only’ against the international community’s calls for hardline measures of punishments and pressure has disappeared.”

This is interesting not only because it signals that Seoul might—operative word is might—go along with tougher international measures against North Korea, but also because it’s quite frank about what South Korean policy vis-a-vis the North (i.e., “Bend over and provide the North with the KY Jelly”) has been up till now.

Like I noted before, Seoul is taking this seriously, at least for now.  The Cheong Wa Dae website has an official English translation of the presidential office’s earlier statement; of particular note is this rather blunt rhetoric:

Based on the ROK-U.S. alliance, our Armed Forces are fully prepared and equipped to thwart any provocation from North Korea. We warn the North to have a forthright recognition of this fact and refrain from making a misjudgment under any circumstances.

In the era of “independent defense” (jaju gukbang), it’s not a good sign when Seoul feels compelled to remind Pyongyang—in direct language—that South Korea enjoys a mutual defense pact with the United States while the North does not.

UPDATE 12: South Korean papers are printing long editorials.  No doubt the translators are busy translating as we speak.  If you read Korean, you can take a look at what the usual suspects (the Chosun Ilbo, Dong-A Ilbo, JoongAng Ilbo, Hankyoreh Shinmun, Kyunghyang Shinmun) have to say.  Otherwise, wait until the translations are posted.  However, don’t expect anything out of the ordinary—the Chosun and Friends spend as much time blasting Roh and his North Korea/United States policies as they do castigating Pyongyang, while the Hankyoreh warns the government against sticking its fork entirely in the intra-Korean relationship.

Interestingly, I didn’t see any of the mainstream media advocating that Seoul respond to the North’s nuclear test by developing its own independent nuclear deterrent.  Which, frankly, is what I would advocate.  Given how much Roh and the Uri Party folk talk about “independent defense,” I’m kind of disappointed nobody stood up today and said today’s test gives Seoul the perfect opportunity to put its money and technology where its “independent defense” rhetoric is.

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66 Comments

  1. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    For my fellow monolinguals out there, they are also runing a parallel story on their English site.

  2. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    BTW, there is no word on how they plan on eating those radioactive rock once the sanctions kick in.

  3. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Damn Robert, gotta get up pretty early to beat you to a story ;).

  4. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    In a report by the North’s official Korean Central News Agency, the communist regime said the test earlier Monday was carried out safely and successfully.

    “The nuclear test was conducted by 100 percent of our wisdom and technology,” it said.

    Now that’s a really fun quote.

  5. Gravatar R. Elgin your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps this explains the uncharateristic nightmare I had, early this morning (no joke).

    This is not good at all.

  6. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Nothing says Chusok like a little boom boom.

    And here we thought it was Cocktober Suprise that would decide the coming mid-terms in America, not Scare Miguk With a Big Bomb so the Republicans Don’t Lose Congresss.

    Makes you wonder who’s zooming whom here. If Bush wants to use geopolitics for domestic needs (not that he would EVER do that) he could get all Dr. Strangelove (or Nixon) on us and really scare the bejeebus out of all of us. But…I don’t know. Maybe nothing will happen…the Big 4th of July Bottle Rocket didn’t go off, so maybe people will just shrug all of this off.

  7. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m certainly shrugging it off unless Japan and/or the US confirms the report. Don’t believe anything from Korea (North or South).

  8. Gravatar mrstkdsd your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Anybody know if USFK has called military people back to base today? My son was online from Seoul, but just signed off and hasn’t come back on.

  9. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Elgin—Not good? What’s there not to like about this. At least everything’s official now. And who knows? At least maybe there’s a slight (operative word is “slight”) possibility that South Korea and China might stop bankrolling Pyongyang.

    Shelton—I don’t think this helps the Republicans. Bush might end up taking a lot of shit for allowing the North Koreans to test the thing in the first place, and many will say today officially marks the failure of U.S. policy toward North Korea. I don’t necessarily believe that to be so, but the case could certainly be made… and will.

  10. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    it is time for the sunshine boys to shit or get off the pot.

  11. Gravatar Zonath your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    The story on the test is now up on the yahoo (US) main page, and appears to be updating as new info comes in.

  12. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    stocks are dumping

  13. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    While I’ve officially reached complete jadedness in regards to all of this, the next few days will be telling. Americans will wake up, turn on Your Morning News Show of Choice and….what? Freak out? Vote Republication? Blame Bush? Demand we blockade the DPRK?

    That domestic reaction in the US is really the crux of the matter.

    Shit like this could really spook the American populace if it hits their psych just right. But, we are weighed down in Iraq, we don’t really have the resources and what Bush decided to do is really the most important. He has it within his power to simply ignore this and allow the DPRK to test and perfect its ICBM tech, build more nukes AND maybe sell them on the black market…or….let’s not think about that, shall we?

  14. Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Made China look the fool, again. They’d just passed an offer to the U.S. - NK claimed they’d not test if the U.S. met them in bilat talks.

  15. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    mark foley and dennis hastert just popped the champagne corks.

  16. Gravatar montclaire your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m just so glad it was done with the Norks’ characteristic attention to safety. What a Dear, Dear Leader.

  17. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    no need for panic. both the bush and roh administrations have made it clear that they “will not accept or tolerate a nuclear north korea.”

    acceptance and toleration now in full swing, despite those warnings.

  18. Gravatar montclaire your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    And it was done in the northwest of the country? The Chinese will love that.

  19. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    And here I was, thinking a nuke test wasn’t imminent.

    Don’t blame yourself. I didn’t think it was imminent either. So are these going to be the nukes of the united Korea, or what?

  20. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    if pakistan’s experience is any indication for the consequences of a nuke test, then north korea can count on being partners with the US in the war on terror within a few years.

    or they could follow india’s lead, and in that case they’ll receive american nuclear technology as a “punishment.”

  21. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    I also didn’t think they were going to actually test. As for a united Korea, shakuhachi, if further sanctions are placed against NK, surely it won’t be able to stand on its own two feet for long. However, that isn’t to say SK won’t suddenly start churning out nukes of its own now…

  22. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    So far there’s nothing on which to base the conclusion that the NORKS have set off a bomb other than their own say so. The South Korean reports of significant seismic activity in the area have not been confirmed by USGS or anyone else. Even if the rumbling is confirmed it could as easily resulted from detonation of a large amount of conventional explosives. We may have to wait for the results of atmospheric radiological tests. But the NORKS conveniently are claiming no radiation leaked out of the site. At this stage, I’m not prepared to acknowledge that anything truly siginificant has happened - judging that more lies and disinformation from the NORKS is just SOP.

  23. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    if further sanctions are placed against NK, surely it won’t be able to stand on its own two feet for long.

    jodi, stop kidding yourself. please.

  24. Gravatar itend your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Or they could go the Israel way, and get billions of dollars in aid from US

    Or they could go the British or China way and get a permanent seat at the UN

    Or, the most likely, they could go the US way and drop a couple on Japan.

  25. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    The South Korean reports of significant seismic activity in the area have not been confirmed by USGS or anyone else.

    USGS just confirmed a 4.2 tremor in north korea at 10:35 am north korea time. via reuters via fox news.

  26. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Update: According to Fox News (broadcast), North Korea notified China that a test was going to occur, and China passed that warning on to the U.S. 20 minutes beforehand. The website notes that, “U.S. intelligence official cannot confirm what would be North Korea’s first-ever nuclear weapons test.” Still not good for PRC-DPRK relations.

  27. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    jodi, stop kidding yourself. please.

    Well glad to see you have more confidence than I do in the future of North Korea.

  28. Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    sorry messed up with the blockquotes. anyone know who informed ROK? the US?

  29. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    According to msnbc, China was warned 20 minutes before the test, and they immediately informed SK, Japan, and the US. So SK likely first learned from China.

  30. Gravatar seouldout your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Just a reminder to the Norks to check the authenticity of those $100 bills it’ll be receiving when it starts selling Dear Leader backpack nukes.

  31. Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    I predicted a nuke test right after (maybe even before) the ICBM went up. When the ICBM test pretty much got a ho-hum reaction, I dropped my time table for a nuke test from 1-5 years to 1-3 years. I was picking May of next year. But, I am suprised they did it this soon after the ICBM test.

    I believe it is probable that the decision to test a nuke and to test it so early after the ICBM means ——– Pyongyang believes it is in a world of trouble. I believe the timing of this test (including how soon after the warning was given) means:

    we will not have a NK 2 years from now.

    That is my new prediction: a NK collapse anytime in 2007 or before the end of 2008.

    I have never bought into the North Korea collapse predictions dating back to the early 1990s. I thought they could squeak by for another decade or two (or collapse), but to me ——– using up their two best geopolitical cards so soon (ICBM and nuke test) — means Kim Jong Il sees a high potential for a collapse soon, and he is telling the US it had better not try to exploit any revolt or rebellion or high level fracture.

    I believe the nuke test is also a way for NK to tell China it had better help it much more than it has the last 12 months.

    And now I think some of the moves China has made within the last 12 months means — they believe NK is on its last leg and in fact is already starting to fall. Sanctions, troops to the border, claiming some of Korea’s history, and other little things over these last few months is not what you would expect from the China-NK friendship.

    I think both Bejing and Pyongyang have seen some writing on the wall, and North Korea is getting desperate.

    This nuke test screams despeartion. If it had come 6 months from now or a year from now, I would have taken it differently. Right now, with this timing —- I think it means Pyongyang is very scared.

  32. Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    USINKOREA’s observations are perspicacious - although I’m still not convinced the NORKS actually exploded a nuclear device, claiming to have done so when outside confirmation is problematic at best supports the same lime of reasoning, In fact, it’s somewhat strengthened if the NORKS are just playing at having done so, in order to try to preserve more roon for maneuver, instead of risking a failed real test.

  33. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    The halls of North Korean punditry and “expert analysis” are littered with the corpses of those who staked their reputations on an impending North Korean collapse.

    There was a surge in 94 when Kim Il Sung passed, another surge in 98 when the Taepodong-1 launch occurred, and yet another surge in 2002 when the agreed framework was ditched and they kicked out IAEA inspectors.

    If you want to add yourself to that pile of prognosticators that let wishful thinking overrun reality, feel free. At least you’ll have plenty of company. Although it’s not the kind of company one should be proud of, having been proven consistently wrong for decades on end.

  34. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    sperwer:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html

    North Korea successfully tested of a nuclear weapon late Sunday night, a senior Bush administration official confirmed to FOX News.

  35. Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    iheartblueballs:

    Yeah, I read that too. An unidentified source who only actually confirmed an explosion that created a 3.8 tremor (less than what USGS says happened). Piffle.

  36. Gravatar montclaire your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    But the Norks never lost Chinese support before. (Except in the early 1990’s, whereupon the self-reliant nation promptly began starving to death.) So this could indeed be the beginning of the end.

  37. Gravatar seouldout your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    If the Richter magnitude is 3.5 the claim could be a fake as the power unleashed equals 73 tons of TNT, but if the magnitude is 4.0 or greater the seismic evidence supports a small nuclear weapon–see here.

    Though the Norks claim that no radioactivity leaked, there will be some type of spillage that can be detected.

  38. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Not sure if you realize it sperwer, but you sound an awful lot like the Roh administration flunkies who, immediately after the nork missile tests a few months ago, tried to claim that they were “harmless satellite launches.”

    Of course it is in South Korean and American interests to minimize the test as much as possible to avoid making themselves look like stooges when they inevitably “accept and tolerate” a nuclear North Korea. But that doesn’t mean you have to swallow it.

  39. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    But the Norks never lost Chinese support before.

    And they won’t lose it now. China will posture in public and deplore the test in order to put on a dog and pony show for the US and Japan, feigning outrage just as they did with the missile tests. But when push comes to shove, they’re not going to cut off the pipeline and risk a flood of refugees and a potential US presence a few hundred miles closer to their border.

  40. Gravatar caliboy888 your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    USGS says it’s a 4.2.

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqc.....ustqab.php

  41. Gravatar iheartblueballs your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    It seems to be pretty clear that North Korea either tested a nuke, or they’re well on their way to becoming the earthquake prediction hub of Asia.

  42. Gravatar Sugar Shin your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Sure as hell Japan and the ROK are going nuclear. And later Taiwan. This test will kick-off an atomic arms race in NE Asia.

    Abandon every hope, you who enter. The Divine Comedy

  43. Gravatar montclaire your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    ihearblueballs:
    The USSR didn’t want US troops at its front door either, so before greenlighting German unification, it made the US and FRG agree that no NATO troops would be stationed in the former East Germany. China will accept a similar deal. And if NK collapses them refugees are heading south.

  44. Gravatar Haisan your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Considering we are talking about the cousins of Hwang Woo-suk, it would not surprise me at all if the NKs just loaded up some underground bunker with a shitload of conventional explosives and set it all off. Unlikely, I guess, but it would not surprise me.

  45. Posted October 9, 2006 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    “virtual semi-war”! That’s virtually kind of semi-dangerous, maybe.

  46. Posted October 9, 2006 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    not sure if you realize it sperwer, but you sound an awful lot like the roh administration flunkies who, immediately after the nork missile tests a few months ago, tried to claim that they were “harmless satellite launches.”

    Well, IHBB, unlike The Great Pretender and his Roh-Nothings, I happen to think there’s reason enough to squelch the NORKS whether or not they have nukes at all, let alone whether or not they test one. And leaping to the conclusion that they have in fact tested one on the basis of the (non) evidence available so far is (possibly) just being the sort of dupe that the NORKS would like one to be.

  47. Posted October 9, 2006 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/20.....ation.html

    I have the location, Google maps, and Hanja name of the location (upper stream of Fishing Man River). I don’t know how to spell it in Korean — guess it is something like Yolang or Yulong River?

  48. Gravatar Dear Leader your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I put 10,000,000 people in stadium and make them say boom! Ha ha I scare you! Send me money and blond girl with big boobs. Ha ha hehehe

  49. Gravatar montclaire your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Roh has now gone on the record as saying “We can no longer go on tolerating everything North Korea does, as we did in the past.” Which is a surprisingly truthful assessment of the Sunshine Policy.

  50. Gravatar dda your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    I have the location, Google maps, and Hanja name of the location (upper stream of Fishing Man River). I don’t know how to spell it in Korean — guess it is something like Yolang or Yulong River?

    春兴里 –> 春興里 cannot be transcribed as Chongjin[ri] or similar. These sinograms read Ch’unhŭng-ni in Korean, so I am guessing something’s wrong here.

    As for 渔郎川 –> 漁郞川, it reads Ŏrang-ch’ŏn.

  51. Posted October 9, 2006 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    dda, thanks.

    The location is near the source of eorangcheon. Also belong to the prefecture of Hwadae-gun (花台郡) — i.e. same county for musudanri/taepodong.
    Some report said the name of the village (nearest) is called 吉村

  52. Posted October 9, 2006 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, I think the kilchu 吉州 / hwadae location is wrong (from earlier announcement from SK).
    I think the USGS info is more reliable.
    SK intelligence had pretty bad track record in the missile test in July as well.

  53. Posted October 9, 2006 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....e-test.htm

    Global security said the site called “Chik-tong, P’unggye-yok”, what is the hanja form?

  54. Gravatar rowan your flag
    Posted October 9, 2006 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to make a prediction here a la baduk.

    THERE WAS NO NUKE.

    This was just a huge conventional weapon explosion. Everyone knows that the impression of nukes is as good as a nuke itself, I mean who even uses nukes.

    Of course this is based on no actual facts and I have no idea if an explosion of this size is even possible with non-nuclear explosives, but I was the first to say it and that’s what really counts.

    Other predictions are: things (stock market and sunshine policy) will be back to normal like nothing happened within 3 months at the longest.

  55. Gravatar SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Ten years ago, I predicted North Korea would collapse within the next 15 to 20 years (based on my estimate of the life expectency of their overweight and alcoholic leader and on their tendency to bite the hands that feeds them). After today’s events, I’d say I was probably not too far off.

  56. Gravatar Zonath your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Apparently, the Nork ambassador to the UN is now seeking congratulations for the nuclear test from the Security Council. Wow.

    I’m going to make a prediction here a la baduk.

    Wow… and here, usually he’s the first one to jump on these sorts of thing… Where is he? I kinda miss Ugly Baby predicting the End of the World™. I guess the tinfoil must have been wrapped too tightly.

  57. Gravatar SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    rowan, it has crossed my mind that they might blow up some spent uranium rods with a conventional bomb… But would that fool whatever equipment is used to detect radiation from a nuclear test? Maybe, if done correctly. The detection methods are developed and tested by simulating nuclear tests, after all.

  58. Gravatar SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Looks like faking a nuclear test doesn’t have to involve nuclear waste at all.

    http://www.llnl.gov/str/Carrigan.html

  59. Gravatar dda your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    直洞 = Chiktong
    It’s in Sunch’ŏn-shi, P’yŏngan-namdo, 順川市 平安南道

    풍계역 / P’unggye-yŏk is probably 楓溪驛, but who knows, with the Norks having abandoned sinograms for half a century and South Koreans for 20 years or so…

  60. Posted October 10, 2006 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    thanks again dda.

    It seems Chiktong is a different location, as Sunchon city is just north of Pyongyang.
    P’unggye-yŏk or pyungye-ri seems to be the one.

    The new location (15km from kimchaek city) quoted by SK intelligence in Marmot’s new post (titled “2nd test planned?”) continues to contradict seismic information, it is amazing how bad these people are. They didn’t even bothered to check the coordinates of USGS (or with their own geologists).
    They made many embarrassing mistake on the taepodong test already.

  61. Gravatar dda your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Sunbin,

    Right, Sunch’ŏn is just north-east of p’yŏngsŏng-shi 平城市, itself just north of the capital.

    I guess the location will come known for sure in a while.

  62. Gravatar R. Elgin your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Robert, while Seoul has not mentioned developing their own nuclear deterent, they have been quietly obtaining the means to deliver such by newly created submarine launched cruise missles, which in turn did draw threats from North Korea recently.

    It is easier to write a letter once having obtained an envelope in which to send it.

  63. Gravatar SomeguyinKorea your flag
    Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    R. Elgin, in this case I’d say they are buying the envelope after having written already the letter, or at least they have already designed the letterhead.

    http://www.thebulletin.org/art.....n=jf05kang

  64. Posted October 10, 2006 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I’d give the chance the test was a fake less than 5%. It just doesn’t make sense. Why fake it? If their design didn’t work, but they were afraid of collapse (and/or thought the US would cave after a test) then faking a test might make sense…

    …but, we’ve been saying we believed they had 1 or 2 bombs since the early to mid-1990s. They have said they have a bomb since 2002 or so. They have also had enough Russian and former communist block nations scientists on the payroll to have the talent to build a nuke. So test it. They need a test for data. A fake test is like a male faking an orgasam - what’s the point?

    Next, I agree with blueballs — in the past, I always gave a big yawn and smirk to those predicting NK would fall.

    But, I am willing to join that group now. The moves China has made over the last 12 months, the moves the US has made, and how NK has reacted to this all add up to NK going down for the count. The vultures are circling….

    I just wonder if they will go out with a bang?

    Next, I do say NK has used up its two biggest geopolitical cards. More ICBM tests and nuke tests will add some pressure, but they are not as good as the first time.

    However, I predicted after the ICBM test (or before it) that after the next step (nuke test) - the next phase would be for NK to return to —- blood letting.

    I would look for NK to try to make itself the PLO of East Asia.

    If I were the Japanese captain of some navy patrol boats or even larger ships, I’d start running a lot of drills, because sometime within the next 12 months, you are going to get shot at by a NK sub or navy vessel or you will have to shoot at one invading Japan’s waters. The same thing goes for South Korea’s navy and people at the DMZ.

    I think a Peublo US navy type stunt could happen. I think anything is on the table. NK has blown up passenger planes before. It has sent commando teams to the Blue House to kill SK’s president. It has blown up the South Korean government visiting a third nation. —— I look for that to return in 2007 or 2008 —- as well as look for NK to collapse (or be taken out) before the end of 2008.

    The only thing that will change my mind is a major move by China to prop NK up - which would be a big reversal of the latest moves we’ve seen China make over the last 12 months.

    I don’t see that happening…..

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    Posted October 10, 2006 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    “I would look for NK to try to make itself the PLO of East Asia.”

    Now that would be a sign of desparation–terrorism. My guess is as good as anyone else’s here, and I don’t see this test as a sign of collapse (although that sure would be nice!).

    Make a bomb –> test missile–> test bomb = all a very logical order. Nothing new in this.

  66. Posted October 14, 2006 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    I agree with a-letheia, but timing and other things come into play.

    Outside intelligence agencies, which have admittedly been incredibly wrong before, have been saying NK had a handful of nukes since the mid-1990s. It was a pretty safe bet they had a few by 2000, and it has been pretty much accepted they have had a few before 2006. It is the same with the ICBM. They proved they had some workable technology back in 1998. This is not a case of them just applying the scientific method. They didn’t just decide to test this stuff after they developed it.

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