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	<title>Comments on: Netizens give U.S. ambassador&#8217;s wife hell</title>
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		<title>By: MountainSong</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/21/netizens-give-us-ambassadors-wife-hell/#comment-50630</link>
		<dc:creator>MountainSong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: Yesterday I spent some time at the Foreigner Information Services Department in City Hall and have learned this. It may not work for showing in art galleries (with an A3 SOFA Visa) but it does work for single event venues such as a performers or artists doing a show and making a profit from it. E-6, D-4, D-5 visa’s are not necessary for this. 

1. One needs a contract between the performer and an official from place (sponsor?) where the event will be held stating that permission is given and the length and date/s of the event.
2.  One needs a copy of the Business license of the place which is hosting the event.
3.  Then one takes that information along with $60,000 won and their passport to the Ministry of Culture and Tourism and get’s a Reference (endorsement?) from them which permits the Event.
Presumably one does this for each event one participates in as the permission granted is for a single specific event only.  If one were to show often and regularly this may not be an acceptable solution obviously. 

Hmmm, just read your comment Mr. Carr. It looks like we’ve landed in the same place in our current understanding of Korean law in this issue. 
It’s unlikely I’ll pursue the gallery route in Korea, as it’s likely to be a lot of hassle for little return. There are other routes which are likely to be more effective here for continuing my career legally in Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Yesterday I spent some time at the Foreigner Information Services Department in City Hall and have learned this. It may not work for showing in art galleries (with an A3 SOFA Visa) but it does work for single event venues such as a performers or artists doing a show and making a profit from it. E-6, D-4, D-5 visa’s are not necessary for this. </p>
<p>1. One needs a contract between the performer and an official from place (sponsor?) where the event will be held stating that permission is given and the length and date/s of the event.<br />
2.  One needs a copy of the Business license of the place which is hosting the event.<br />
3.  Then one takes that information along with $60,000 won and their passport to the Ministry of Culture and Tourism and get’s a Reference (endorsement?) from them which permits the Event.<br />
Presumably one does this for each event one participates in as the permission granted is for a single specific event only.  If one were to show often and regularly this may not be an acceptable solution obviously. </p>
<p>Hmmm, just read your comment Mr. Carr. It looks like we’ve landed in the same place in our current understanding of Korean law in this issue.<br />
It’s unlikely I’ll pursue the gallery route in Korea, as it’s likely to be a lot of hassle for little return. There are other routes which are likely to be more effective here for continuing my career legally in Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/21/netizens-give-us-ambassadors-wife-hell/#comment-50257</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't have any idea what permission Tim Strong has. If he wants to call me and talk it over I'd be delighted to see what I can learn from him. My guess is, since you say he is a musician and has a sponsor for each performance, that Tim Strong gets an E-6 endorsement on his diplomatic visa valid for the duration of each performing engagement.

Costume jewelry may not qualify as "art" for purposes of the E-6 visa. Again, I don't know. (I did see a photograph of the stuff Mrs. Vershbow was wearing, and I would hesitate to call it "art" myself, or "jewelry" for that matter. But tastes differ.) So for Mrs. Vershbow the Tim Strong Experience™ may not be germane.

For MountainSong, however, it seems to be right on target. Find a gallery sponsor, apply for the additional endorsement on a per-show basis, then rake in the pennies (gallery owners are not known for their generosity of spirit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any idea what permission Tim Strong has. If he wants to call me and talk it over I&#8217;d be delighted to see what I can learn from him. My guess is, since you say he is a musician and has a sponsor for each performance, that Tim Strong gets an E-6 endorsement on his diplomatic visa valid for the duration of each performing engagement.</p>
<p>Costume jewelry may not qualify as &#8220;art&#8221; for purposes of the E-6 visa. Again, I don&#8217;t know. (I did see a photograph of the stuff Mrs. Vershbow was wearing, and I would hesitate to call it &#8220;art&#8221; myself, or &#8220;jewelry&#8221; for that matter. But tastes differ.) So for Mrs. Vershbow the Tim Strong Experience™ may not be germane.</p>
<p>For MountainSong, however, it seems to be right on target. Find a gallery sponsor, apply for the additional endorsement on a per-show basis, then rake in the pennies (gallery owners are not known for their generosity of spirit).</p>
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		<title>By: Bowser</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/21/netizens-give-us-ambassadors-wife-hell/#comment-50246</link>
		<dc:creator>Bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Carr,
Thank you again. In an effort to try your patience, I'm left with one further point. Tim Strong, the husband of Jane Coombs, New Zealand's ambassador to South Korea, asserts he has official permission to work this coming weekend. But he complains that each concert involves another application for a permit under a new sponsor. Could Mrs. Vershbow in theory receive sponsorships unique to each gallery exhibition, yet also acceptable to the goverment? What visa endorsement would Mr. Strong receive? I assume because he resides in Korea his circumstances differ from an appearance  in Korea by Celine Dion, Michelle Wie or any international performer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Carr,<br />
Thank you again. In an effort to try your patience, I&#8217;m left with one further point. Tim Strong, the husband of Jane Coombs, New Zealand&#8217;s ambassador to South Korea, asserts he has official permission to work this coming weekend. But he complains that each concert involves another application for a permit under a new sponsor. Could Mrs. Vershbow in theory receive sponsorships unique to each gallery exhibition, yet also acceptable to the goverment? What visa endorsement would Mr. Strong receive? I assume because he resides in Korea his circumstances differ from an appearance  in Korea by Celine Dion, Michelle Wie or any international performer.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Entertainers and artists" -- the E-6 visa category -- means performing artists (also including &lt;i&gt;thinly-disguised prostitutes&lt;/i&gt;), as far as I know. But since bona fide artists are tied with English teachers as the least likely to be paying for legal services, I haven't delved very deeply into the topic.

If an artist intends to sell her jewelry as an independent businesswoman, on the face of the law the &lt;b&gt;only means available&lt;/b&gt; is registration as foreign investor, adoption of a corporate form or sole proprietorship, and taxpayer registration. Otherwise she can sign up to be someone's employee.

Now, I have been witness to the rare "miracle" where some Korean government official chucks the book of rules and, figuring he's unlikely to be caught out, does something surprising and exceptional and utterly in contravention of the written law. Those cases are maddening because they are so unpredictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Entertainers and artists&#8221; &#8212; the E-6 visa category &#8212; means performing artists (also including <i>thinly-disguised prostitutes</i>), as far as I know. But since bona fide artists are tied with English teachers as the least likely to be paying for legal services, I haven&#8217;t delved very deeply into the topic.</p>
<p>If an artist intends to sell her jewelry as an independent businesswoman, on the face of the law the <b>only means available</b> is registration as foreign investor, adoption of a corporate form or sole proprietorship, and taxpayer registration. Otherwise she can sign up to be someone&#8217;s employee.</p>
<p>Now, I have been witness to the rare &#8220;miracle&#8221; where some Korean government official chucks the book of rules and, figuring he&#8217;s unlikely to be caught out, does something surprising and exceptional and utterly in contravention of the written law. Those cases are maddening because they are so unpredictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 23:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Carr,

Thank you. You have mentioned several times the visa opportunity individuals have if they are "foreign investors." It seems unlikely that Mrs. Vershbow would bring $50,000 to Korea. If that's the case, what sort of endorsement would the government extend her? I understand E-6 is for entertainers and artists, but would that entail a sponsor? And who might that be on an ongoing basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Carr,</p>
<p>Thank you. You have mentioned several times the visa opportunity individuals have if they are &#8220;foreign investors.&#8221; It seems unlikely that Mrs. Vershbow would bring $50,000 to Korea. If that&#8217;s the case, what sort of endorsement would the government extend her? I understand E-6 is for entertainers and artists, but would that entail a sponsor? And who might that be on an ongoing basis?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Lisa Vershbow won't have to make a "visa run". First off, she's the wife of the United States ambassador and Korea is a country where things work out better for the important and the powerful, regardless of what the law says. But the law is favorable anyway: As the holder of a residence permit (A-2) visa she only needs an endorsement to the current visa -- an additional stamp or permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Lisa Vershbow won&#8217;t have to make a &#8220;visa run&#8221;. First off, she&#8217;s the wife of the United States ambassador and Korea is a country where things work out better for the important and the powerful, regardless of what the law says. But the law is favorable anyway: As the holder of a residence permit (A-2) visa she only needs an endorsement to the current visa &#8212; an additional stamp or permission.</p>
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		<title>By: Bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Carr,

Lisa Vershbow, according the Embassy, is applying for a visa endorsement in order to continue selling her jewelry. Do you believe will she have to make a visa run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Carr,</p>
<p>Lisa Vershbow, according the Embassy, is applying for a visa endorsement in order to continue selling her jewelry. Do you believe will she have to make a visa run?</p>
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		<title>By: MountainSong</title>
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		<dc:creator>MountainSong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonagi, your right, Mr. Carr is a Doll (gentleman) for helping another to understand the intricacies of legalities in another country, no doubt he does understands the karmic laws of reciprocity or said in another way - he has a heart of gold based on innate goodness which holds an even purer value ounce per once. I doubt few of us on the board would give less when called upon within our field of expertise to help another with less comprehension. It is after all the thing which separates us from the animals. 
Ooops - inadvertent segue from another online conversation.  

Yes, the exemption as I understand it, would apply to me if I were filing separately and not jointly with my husband – certainly a due consideration should the current circumstances be successfully overcome. 

Mr. Carr, it would seem that despite several decades as a self supporting artist in the innovative West, the ancient European practice of seeking a Patron might suddenly be called for, given the challenge of Korea’s current laws pertaining to SOFA visa’s and self employment. ($W50,000,000)  *sigh*  
The irony of the collision of cultures in the Global Economy both past and present and East and West is not lost, and were I an artist inspired by current social commentary the moment would be preserved in pigments.
Thank you to you and your staff for your assistance and knowledge. Armed with that knowledge a solution, requiring no doubt both flexibility and acceptance on my part, will be found to reach a legally acceptable solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonagi, your right, Mr. Carr is a Doll (gentleman) for helping another to understand the intricacies of legalities in another country, no doubt he does understands the karmic laws of reciprocity or said in another way - he has a heart of gold based on innate goodness which holds an even purer value ounce per once. I doubt few of us on the board would give less when called upon within our field of expertise to help another with less comprehension. It is after all the thing which separates us from the animals.<br />
Ooops - inadvertent segue from another online conversation.  </p>
<p>Yes, the exemption as I understand it, would apply to me if I were filing separately and not jointly with my husband – certainly a due consideration should the current circumstances be successfully overcome. </p>
<p>Mr. Carr, it would seem that despite several decades as a self supporting artist in the innovative West, the ancient European practice of seeking a Patron might suddenly be called for, given the challenge of Korea’s current laws pertaining to SOFA visa’s and self employment. ($W50,000,000)  *sigh*<br />
The irony of the collision of cultures in the Global Economy both past and present and East and West is not lost, and were I an artist inspired by current social commentary the moment would be preserved in pigments.<br />
Thank you to you and your staff for your assistance and knowledge. Armed with that knowledge a solution, requiring no doubt both flexibility and acceptance on my part, will be found to reach a legally acceptable solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/21/netizens-give-us-ambassadors-wife-hell/#comment-49976</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon, you are a &lt;b&gt;doll&lt;/b&gt; for giving valuable legal advice for free over the internet to a stranger.

Mountainsong,  are you sure you have to pay US taxes on earnings from sales made in Korea?  Doesn't the $70,000 exemption apply to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon, you are a <b>doll</b> for giving valuable legal advice for free over the internet to a stranger.</p>
<p>Mountainsong,  are you sure you have to pay US taxes on earnings from sales made in Korea?  Doesn&#8217;t the $70,000 exemption apply to you?</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, the Korean netizens that were quoted in the article don't understand the principles of diplomatic immunity and reciprocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, the Korean netizens that were quoted in the article don&#8217;t understand the principles of diplomatic immunity and reciprocity.</p>
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