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		<title>By: Woops, Lee Jang-jik did it again at The Marmot&#8217;s Hole</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-50802</link>
		<dc:creator>Woops, Lee Jang-jik did it again at The Marmot&#8217;s Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lee Jang-jik, Seoul Selection&#8217;s favorite JoongAng Ilbo music critic, has penned a reply to an earlier critique of his work by Hank Kim, Seoul Selection president. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee Jang-jik, Seoul Selection&#8217;s favorite JoongAng Ilbo music critic, has penned a reply to an earlier critique of his work by Hank Kim, Seoul Selection president. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Spaces to Jeonju trip still available</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49185</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Spaces to Jeonju trip still available</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Oh, and if you want to read another review of our &#8220;national disgrace&#8221; last weekend, check out Sogang University Professor Brother Anthony of Taize&#8217;s piece on the Chungju trip in the Korea Times. Spewer has also posted a review, along with photographs and, I believe, actual sound clips, although the latter do not appear to work on Mozilla/Firefox/Flock.  Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oh, and if you want to read another review of our &#8220;national disgrace&#8221; last weekend, check out Sogang University Professor Brother Anthony of Taize&#8217;s piece on the Chungju trip in the Korea Times. Spewer has also posted a review, along with photographs and, I believe, actual sound clips, although the latter do not appear to work on Mozilla/Firefox/Flock.  Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49182</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: If you put people who make incendiary comments AND people who allow them to derail civilized discussion by responding on a deserted island, who would survive?

A: The rest of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 
oranckay: 이장직 기자님의 양심과 정신상태가 의심됩니다.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Q: If you put people who make incendiary comments AND people who allow them to derail civilized discussion by responding on a deserted island, who would survive?</p>
<p>A: The rest of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>oranckay: 이장직 기자님의 양심과 정신상태가 의심됩니다.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49173</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So die already, Peter... Cuz the people you'd like to shelve on an island aren't casting for Lost 3! :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So die already, Peter&#8230; Cuz the people you&#8217;d like to shelve on an island aren&#8217;t casting for Lost 3! <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49166</link>
		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: If you put people who make incendiary comments AND people who allow them to derail civilized discussion by responding on a deserted island, who would survive?

A: The rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: If you put people who make incendiary comments AND people who allow them to derail civilized discussion by responding on a deserted island, who would survive?</p>
<p>A: The rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49154</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lastly, I checked with PR people who know and the word is that that newspaper writer is notorious for doing just what he did (he does not seem to be liked much either).  He is also one of the very few who would do such.  It was your bad luck to have him along Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lastly, I checked with PR people who know and the word is that that newspaper writer is notorious for doing just what he did (he does not seem to be liked much either).  He is also one of the very few who would do such.  It was your bad luck to have him along Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49145</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I'm advocating action against any particular reporter, but there is a relatively gentle and benign dispute-resolution process (mediation, really) available through the &lt;a href="http://www.ikpec.or.kr/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Korea Press Ethics Commission&lt;/a&gt; for anyone who has been wronged by a false report. The Commission has the right to "recommend" a correction to any unfair reporting; generally the press always follows the recommendation, as the Commission is a creature of the press itself. That means a retraction, and usually a new, friendly report. The aggrieved party also has a right to file, by report to the prosecution through the local police station, a criminal complaint for defamation. Korea's Criminal Code makes a crime of defamation, and the only elements to the crime are publication of statements of fact about a party which cause harm to reputation -- falsity is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; an element.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I&#8217;m advocating action against any particular reporter, but there is a relatively gentle and benign dispute-resolution process (mediation, really) available through the <a href="http://www.ikpec.or.kr/" rel="nofollow">Korea Press Ethics Commission</a> for anyone who has been wronged by a false report. The Commission has the right to &#8220;recommend&#8221; a correction to any unfair reporting; generally the press always follows the recommendation, as the Commission is a creature of the press itself. That means a retraction, and usually a new, friendly report. The aggrieved party also has a right to file, by report to the prosecution through the local police station, a criminal complaint for defamation. Korea&#8217;s Criminal Code makes a crime of defamation, and the only elements to the crime are publication of statements of fact about a party which cause harm to reputation &#8212; falsity is <b>not</b> an element.</p>
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		<title>By: Remort</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49141</link>
		<dc:creator>Remort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my perspective, I view Robert and his efforts, as making Korea a better, and more enjoyable place to be by enlightening us and bringing matters to our attention we might otherwise not have known without his efforts.  It really pains me to see some jerk go way out of his way to present such a one-sided view of an event that essentially slanders and defames Marmot and his place of employment. It's quite clear to understand Mr. Lee's agenda... :(

So Robert, stay focused on your goal of having fun blogging, and making this place a fun place to share ideas and information about life in Korea.  A Podcast outside of Mr. Lee's place of employment (with 10,000 screaming Marmot's Hole fans) might be a fun endeavor, and definitely make him think twice before getting jiggy with the Marmot again.  :P

&lt;I&gt;Thanks for the fish.&lt;/I&gt;

--Remort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my perspective, I view Robert and his efforts, as making Korea a better, and more enjoyable place to be by enlightening us and bringing matters to our attention we might otherwise not have known without his efforts.  It really pains me to see some jerk go way out of his way to present such a one-sided view of an event that essentially slanders and defames Marmot and his place of employment. It&#8217;s quite clear to understand Mr. Lee&#8217;s agenda&#8230; <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So Robert, stay focused on your goal of having fun blogging, and making this place a fun place to share ideas and information about life in Korea.  A Podcast outside of Mr. Lee&#8217;s place of employment (with 10,000 screaming Marmot&#8217;s Hole fans) might be a fun endeavor, and definitely make him think twice before getting jiggy with the Marmot again.  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Thanks for the fish.</i></p>
<p>&#8211;Remort</p>
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		<title>By: gbevers</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49137</link>
		<dc:creator>gbevers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dda,

Yes, I post on Matt's blog, but I did not make the above comment to promote the blog. I do not even care if Robert links to Matt's blog, though Matt might. I do not worry about hits, even on my own blog. I usually post as a way to get things organized in my head.

The reason I wrote what I wrote was that I got angry at Robert for calling Mr. Lee "pathetic" because he had erased comments on his blog. If Robert can manage his blog the way he wants, then why can't Mr. Lee do the same? Maybe, Mr. Lee also felt the comments being made were "unwarranted, unbalanced and mean-spirited"?

Anyway, it just sounded hypocritical for Robert to complain about Mr. Lee's deleting comments while Robert, himself, has refused to link to a relevant, popular blog for reasons that I can only guess. The request for a link to Occidentalism.org has been made several times in the past, but it has always been ignored. By the way, I have only recently started contributing to Matt's blog and have nothing to do with its popularity. 

I post on Matt's site for two reasons, dda. One is to shut up people like you and Oranckay, who have claimed that "Dokdo" was historically Korean territory. In that respect, I think I have accomplished my goal. The other reason I post on Matt's site is to create a discussion on Dokdo/Takeshima, which hopefully gets me more information on the issues, especially from the Japanese side. As I said before, I am not interested in getting hits, but I do want people to know the truth about "Dokdo." Of course, you, dda, are free to ignore my maps and post on "Dokdo" and search for pictures of half-naked women or whatever you are interested in.

To Robert,

I apologize for my comment above, especially the part about your being a "blowhard." Actually, in the beginning of your blog, and while you were working at Chosun Ilbo, I did consider you somewhat of a blowhard, but it was never very serious. It came out today because I was angry about some of your comments. I think I was just holding you up to too high of a standard. 

I recognize and envy your knowledge and skills, and I am amazed at how fast you have learned Korean, but, I guess I sometimes feel that you are often too easy on Korea when it comes to Korea-Japan issues. 

Anyway, I am sorry for calling you a blowhard.

Gerry Bevers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dda,</p>
<p>Yes, I post on Matt&#8217;s blog, but I did not make the above comment to promote the blog. I do not even care if Robert links to Matt&#8217;s blog, though Matt might. I do not worry about hits, even on my own blog. I usually post as a way to get things organized in my head.</p>
<p>The reason I wrote what I wrote was that I got angry at Robert for calling Mr. Lee &#8220;pathetic&#8221; because he had erased comments on his blog. If Robert can manage his blog the way he wants, then why can&#8217;t Mr. Lee do the same? Maybe, Mr. Lee also felt the comments being made were &#8220;unwarranted, unbalanced and mean-spirited&#8221;?</p>
<p>Anyway, it just sounded hypocritical for Robert to complain about Mr. Lee&#8217;s deleting comments while Robert, himself, has refused to link to a relevant, popular blog for reasons that I can only guess. The request for a link to Occidentalism.org has been made several times in the past, but it has always been ignored. By the way, I have only recently started contributing to Matt&#8217;s blog and have nothing to do with its popularity. </p>
<p>I post on Matt&#8217;s site for two reasons, dda. One is to shut up people like you and Oranckay, who have claimed that &#8220;Dokdo&#8221; was historically Korean territory. In that respect, I think I have accomplished my goal. The other reason I post on Matt&#8217;s site is to create a discussion on Dokdo/Takeshima, which hopefully gets me more information on the issues, especially from the Japanese side. As I said before, I am not interested in getting hits, but I do want people to know the truth about &#8220;Dokdo.&#8221; Of course, you, dda, are free to ignore my maps and post on &#8220;Dokdo&#8221; and search for pictures of half-naked women or whatever you are interested in.</p>
<p>To Robert,</p>
<p>I apologize for my comment above, especially the part about your being a &#8220;blowhard.&#8221; Actually, in the beginning of your blog, and while you were working at Chosun Ilbo, I did consider you somewhat of a blowhard, but it was never very serious. It came out today because I was angry about some of your comments. I think I was just holding you up to too high of a standard. </p>
<p>I recognize and envy your knowledge and skills, and I am amazed at how fast you have learned Korean, but, I guess I sometimes feel that you are often too easy on Korea when it comes to Korea-Japan issues. </p>
<p>Anyway, I am sorry for calling you a blowhard.</p>
<p>Gerry Bevers</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/11/national-disgrace/#comment-49128</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People arrive late for events and bus drivers sometimes make wrong turns, stop the presses. Not one line about why the organizers put this event on in the first place--did this guy even ask anyone? 

It's a really petty article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People arrive late for events and bus drivers sometimes make wrong turns, stop the presses. Not one line about why the organizers put this event on in the first place&#8211;did this guy even ask anyone? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a really petty article.</p>
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