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		<title>By: Kaplan on the Fall of the North Korean Regime at ROK Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/07/kaplan-on-when-n-korea-collapses/#comment-94222</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaplan on the Fall of the North Korean Regime at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this, but you had to have an Atlantic Magazine subscription to read the complete article, however Robert was nice enough to actually cut and paste the whole [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kaplan on the Fall of the North Korean Regime &#171; GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/07/kaplan-on-when-n-korea-collapses/#comment-53027</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaplan on the Fall of the North Korean Regime &#171; GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 06:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It seems like every six months somebody writes an article about what should happen in the event of a North Korean collapse. The latest person to take his shot at providing a theory of what to do in the event of a North Korean collapse is Robert Kaplan. Well now we know what Mr. Kaplan was up to two months ago at the DMZ. Coming Anarchy first reported on this, but you had to have an Atlantic Magazine subscription to read the complete article, however Robert was nice enough to actually cut and paste the whole article. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It seems like every six months somebody writes an article about what should happen in the event of a North Korean collapse. The latest person to take his shot at providing a theory of what to do in the event of a North Korean collapse is Robert Kaplan. Well now we know what Mr. Kaplan was up to two months ago at the DMZ. Coming Anarchy first reported on this, but you had to have an Atlantic Magazine subscription to read the complete article, however Robert was nice enough to actually cut and paste the whole article. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: today&#8217;s sept 26 &#171; Douglass Carmichael Before Decisions</title>
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		<dc:creator>today&#8217;s sept 26 &#171; Douglass Carmichael Before Decisions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 03:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Kaplan on how the furor over Kim Jong Il’s missile tests and nuclear brinksmanship obscures the real threat: the prospect of North Korea’s catastrophic collapse. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Robert Kaplan on how the furor over Kim Jong Il’s missile tests and nuclear brinksmanship obscures the real threat: the prospect of North Korea’s catastrophic collapse. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mutantfrog Travelogue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asian History Carnival</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/07/kaplan-on-when-n-korea-collapses/#comment-49638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutantfrog Travelogue &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Asian History Carnival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As speculation mounts (again) that the Kim dynasy of North Korea may be weakening, a post-collapse scenario by Robert Kaplan has been making the rounds. This is where the academic debate over ancient territorial borders starts to have a practical result. After the DPRK collapses, does China get to grab part of the former North Korea to protect their territorial integrity from ethnic Koreans in China who want to rejoin their distant relatives? Does the newly Unified Korea get to grab nearby territory in China because of the significant Korean minority? Time to bust out the historical precedent-no matter how flimsy or dusty. You can find discussion of this article by bloggers at DPRK Studies, GI Korea, or in the comments thread at the Robert Kaplan fan-blog Cominganarchy.com. Yes, in the end it&#8217;s just speculation about the future. But in the end this is exactly what the History Wars discussed just above are really all about. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As speculation mounts (again) that the Kim dynasy of North Korea may be weakening, a post-collapse scenario by Robert Kaplan has been making the rounds. This is where the academic debate over ancient territorial borders starts to have a practical result. After the DPRK collapses, does China get to grab part of the former North Korea to protect their territorial integrity from ethnic Koreans in China who want to rejoin their distant relatives? Does the newly Unified Korea get to grab nearby territory in China because of the significant Korean minority? Time to bust out the historical precedent-no matter how flimsy or dusty. You can find discussion of this article by bloggers at DPRK Studies, GI Korea, or in the comments thread at the Robert Kaplan fan-blog Cominganarchy.com. Yes, in the end it&#8217;s just speculation about the future. But in the end this is exactly what the History Wars discussed just above are really all about. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lankov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lankov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;2) SK force will only enter at the invitation of the people in NK, and will not be viewed as occupying force.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
2) is delusional I think. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'd agree with DDA, especially since there will be no body which will represent "the people of NK" (or, more likely, there will be contending bodies, each claiming such standing). And re "occupying force". Well, Russians came to Poland as "liberators" in 1945, but few years later they came to be seen in a very different light. Perhaps a majority of occupiers begin their careers as liberators. 

However, South Koreans are still better equipped to deal with the manifold problems of post-Kim NK. I think that no foreign forces, especially no US forces, should be involved in the operations (of course, I am talking on asumptions that the glorious People's Liberation Army will not solve these problems once and for all). Ideally, handling the North should be left to the South. They will make mistakes and create much chaos, to be sure, but everybody else will make even more mistakes and create even greater chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>2) SK force will only enter at the invitation of the people in NK, and will not be viewed as occupying force.</p></blockquote>
<p>2) is delusional I think. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with DDA, especially since there will be no body which will represent &#8220;the people of NK&#8221; (or, more likely, there will be contending bodies, each claiming such standing). And re &#8220;occupying force&#8221;. Well, Russians came to Poland as &#8220;liberators&#8221; in 1945, but few years later they came to be seen in a very different light. Perhaps a majority of occupiers begin their careers as liberators. </p>
<p>However, South Koreans are still better equipped to deal with the manifold problems of post-Kim NK. I think that no foreign forces, especially no US forces, should be involved in the operations (of course, I am talking on asumptions that the glorious People&#8217;s Liberation Army will not solve these problems once and for all). Ideally, handling the North should be left to the South. They will make mistakes and create much chaos, to be sure, but everybody else will make even more mistakes and create even greater chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;1) SK speak the same language and understand the culture
2) SK force will only enter at the invitation of the people in NK, and will not be viewed as occupying force.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1) is only half-true. I've seen South Koreans ask, in meetings, what word suchorsuch means. Makes one wonder. And as for culture, there's a gap so wide now that two generations have been raised on Juche that I think it's clear that reunification will need quite some time to help close the cultural gap.

2) is delusional I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>1) SK speak the same language and understand the culture<br />
2) SK force will only enter at the invitation of the people in NK, and will not be viewed as occupying force.</p></blockquote>
<p>1) is only half-true. I&#8217;ve seen South Koreans ask, in meetings, what word suchorsuch means. Makes one wonder. And as for culture, there&#8217;s a gap so wide now that two generations have been raised on Juche that I think it&#8217;s clear that reunification will need quite some time to help close the cultural gap.</p>
<p>2) is delusional I think.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; The Pyongyang regime is about to fall. Really. I mean it this time.</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; The Pyongyang regime is about to fall. Really. I mean it this time.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think someone else here has already talked about Kaplan&#8217;s piece (Yeah, the Hole&#8217;s very own dear leader already posted it in full.).  If not, someone will surely talk about it soon. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I think someone else here has already talked about Kaplan&#8217;s piece (Yeah, the Hole&#8217;s very own dear leader already posted it in full.).  If not, someone will surely talk about it soon. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Chinese Korea or Greater Korea...&lt;/strong&gt;

"When North Korea Falls," by Robert Kaplan, Atlantic Monthly, October 2006, http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200610/kaplan-korea (see commentary on Coming Anarchy, DPRK Studies, Left Flank, and ruNK, full text at Marmot's Hole).

When I led rec...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Chinese Korea or Greater Korea&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;When North Korea Falls,&#8221; by Robert Kaplan, Atlantic Monthly, October 2006, <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200610/kaplan-korea" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc.....plan-korea</a> (see commentary on Coming Anarchy, DPRK Studies, Left Flank, and ruNK, full text at Marmot&#8217;s Hole).</p>
<p>When I led rec&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 08:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, China can open up NK tomorrow if they wanted to.

1) Stop selling gasoline to NK!
2) Stop supporting NK in UN!
3) Do not see KJI and don't f***ing talk to him. Isolate the sucker.
4) Have no contact whatsoever with NK.
5) Use pro-Chinese generals in NK to assassinate KJI.

However, the Chinese communist party and Chairman Hu will do none of these.  Do you know why?  Because KJI is his dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, China can open up NK tomorrow if they wanted to.</p>
<p>1) Stop selling gasoline to NK!<br />
2) Stop supporting NK in UN!<br />
3) Do not see KJI and don&#8217;t f***ing talk to him. Isolate the sucker.<br />
4) Have no contact whatsoever with NK.<br />
5) Use pro-Chinese generals in NK to assassinate KJI.</p>
<p>However, the Chinese communist party and Chairman Hu will do none of these.  Do you know why?  Because KJI is his dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should this article be a must read? There's obviously nothing new to people with political interest on the matters regarding the situation of the Korean peninsula and NE Asia.

Kaplan's dumb-folding comparisons of the war theatres in Agfhanistan and Iraq with the on-paper-wartime-situation in the ROK is so dimwitted.

Yeah, serving for Korea's security but getting disrespect in return is in fact a humiliating job. But actually the only party going on in Kandahar City are the sounds of Taliban grenade launchers from the mountainsides or the "festive" explosions of street bombs in Baghdad. Hmmm, compare that with a night in Itaewon and you'll get the perspective straight. 

I think the most "humiliating experience" is to bite a bullet, loosing your limps or getting a shrapnel right in your head in the middle of nowhere in Afghaniraq.

The Chinese will do whatever is in their national interest. And for thousands of years it was to have direct or indirect control over the Korean peninsula at their borders. There would be not much options for the ROK to stop the Chinese from invading a collapsing DPRK. Maybe the rest of North Korea's Army will kick some Chinese sorry asses, if they have the power left to do so. In fact, I think North Koreans are more nationalistically fanatized or have nothing to lose and therefore more guts to take on the coming Chinese or they'll end up like the Tibetians. South Korea will stand by, watch the fucking shit unfolding up North with shrugging shoulders and walk on. Buying new clothes and cellphones has become a more important purpose in life than anything idealistic like re-unification. We are such a fucked up people. A bad joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should this article be a must read? There&#8217;s obviously nothing new to people with political interest on the matters regarding the situation of the Korean peninsula and NE Asia.</p>
<p>Kaplan&#8217;s dumb-folding comparisons of the war theatres in Agfhanistan and Iraq with the on-paper-wartime-situation in the ROK is so dimwitted.</p>
<p>Yeah, serving for Korea&#8217;s security but getting disrespect in return is in fact a humiliating job. But actually the only party going on in Kandahar City are the sounds of Taliban grenade launchers from the mountainsides or the &#8220;festive&#8221; explosions of street bombs in Baghdad. Hmmm, compare that with a night in Itaewon and you&#8217;ll get the perspective straight. </p>
<p>I think the most &#8220;humiliating experience&#8221; is to bite a bullet, loosing your limps or getting a shrapnel right in your head in the middle of nowhere in Afghaniraq.</p>
<p>The Chinese will do whatever is in their national interest. And for thousands of years it was to have direct or indirect control over the Korean peninsula at their borders. There would be not much options for the ROK to stop the Chinese from invading a collapsing DPRK. Maybe the rest of North Korea&#8217;s Army will kick some Chinese sorry asses, if they have the power left to do so. In fact, I think North Koreans are more nationalistically fanatized or have nothing to lose and therefore more guts to take on the coming Chinese or they&#8217;ll end up like the Tibetians. South Korea will stand by, watch the fucking shit unfolding up North with shrugging shoulders and walk on. Buying new clothes and cellphones has become a more important purpose in life than anything idealistic like re-unification. We are such a fucked up people. A bad joke.</p>
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