And you thought horny expats in Korea had it rough…

With complaints coming from some quarters that the Marmot’s Hole (and more specifically, me) has been posting too much “trash,” the website administrator would like to announce that we will be diligently working to improve the “quality” of posts in our never-ending quest to provide you, the reader, with only the best news, information and analysis of events on the Korean Peninsula.*

But first, another Western expat sex scandal. This time in China.

It seems the blog Sex and Shanghai has sparked a shitstorm in the Middle Kingdom with its descriptions of the writer’s sexual adventures with Chinese women. So outraged was a Chinese psychology professor at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences that he has launched an online campaign to have the the Sex and Shanghai writer, an Englishman, expelled from China. A translation of the professor’s blog post can be found at the second link; not only was he pissed at a foreigner making sport of Chinese women and blogging about it, but he was apparently ticked at said round-eye’s dismissal of Chinese nationalistic outrage at Japan.

My guess is he probably found his comments about “limp-dicked” Chinese men distasteful as well.

Now, you’d think that once you’ve managed to piss off several million Chinese netizens, you’d tread lightly. Not Sex and Shanghai man, however. Instead, he fired back, absolutely ripping the Shanghai Academy professor a new one. Not that it will do him much good.

Check out Peking Duck and Mr. Morris for more discussion of this mess.

* I apologize to those loyal readers who find the “trash” tiresome. But frankly, there has been a lot of trash to post, and for whatever its demerits, at least it and some of the comments it generates can be amusing to read. Which is more than I can say for North Korea policy, discussion of which is equally destructive to brain cells and not nearly as fun to read/post.

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40 Comments

  1. Gravatar jp your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Trash, trash, we want trash!

  2. Posted August 29, 2006 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    I knew you’d appreciate the trash, JP :)

  3. Gravatar littlebrownasian your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Keep ‘em coming, Robert! I’m your number one fan! Solid! =D

  4. Gravatar wjk your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Well, this at least proves it’s not just a Korean response, like some want to claim. I somehow feel that this thread won’t grow very long.

    Perhaps I’ll make it grow long.

    Some say that the Japanese don’t act like apes over similar matters. Might as well conclude the universally acknowledged truth that Japan just takes sex with a looser attitude than other societies.

  5. Gravatar wjk your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    ” In his writing, all Chinese women will tell him abashedly before they take off their clothes in front of him for the first time: “My breasts are too small.” When he takes off his pants, all the Chinese women will say in awe: “Your dick is really big!”

    then he pointed out that all Chinese men cannot satisfy Chinese women.

    In his words, the Chinese men not only have low sexual potency, but they are also incredibly ugly.

    He wrote: “I can understand the anger of the ancestors of these Chinese students. But they have never been hurt by the Japanese.” He mentioned that in a Tongjie University class, he asked a student, “It’s been sixty years already. Why are you so angry?” He said that on one hand, it is the result of the Chinese government manipulating the emotions of the people…”

    / See? See?

    http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060828_1.htm

  6. Gravatar R. Elgin your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    It can not be wise to mix observations about unjustified Chinese nationalism with comments on their sexual shortcomings . . . especially if they are true.

  7. Posted August 29, 2006 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Robert, here is a heads up for you. They have translated his blog into Chinese http://chinabounderinchinese.b.....index.html

    Perhaps that should be in the main post.

  8. Posted August 29, 2006 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Boxer rebellion starting in China?

    Talking about dick size, I have heard many Oriental women complain about big dicks. Their female organ has a severe difficulty in fitting in “jumbo” size dicks. And, it hurts, literally.

    Big is not necessary good. And, big things do move slower.

    Things have to be right sizes to fit and work together. Not too big, not too small.

  9. Posted August 29, 2006 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Talking about dick size, I have heard many Oriental women complain about big dicks. Their female organ has a severe difficulty in fitting in “jumbo” size dicks. And, it hurts, literally.

    Big is not necessary good. And, big things do move slower.

    Things have to be right sizes to fit and work together. Not too big, not too small.

    Don’t ever change, Baduk.

  10. Posted August 29, 2006 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Except to go back to the Crazy Cat gravatar.

  11. Gravatar R. Elgin your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    . . . Big is not necessary good. And, big things do move slower.
    Things have to be right sizes to fit and work together. Not too big, not too small . . .

    You know, this also could be a good rationale for the war-time operational issue as well. Your thought is very strategic Baduk.

  12. Posted August 29, 2006 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    This isn’t really “trash” at all, it’s what i come to this site for — I get all the straight news from the normal sources, but stuff like this — significant socio-political trends to keep track in East Asia — i’d never hear about if it weren’t for the blogs…

  13. Gravatar bluejives your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    This Brit has awakened a sleeping giant.

    If I were a Chinese intelligence specialist, I would research ways to exploit yellow fever (a well-known achilles heel of western men) to infiltrate the highest levels of western intelligence agencies to divulge secrets.

  14. Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    If I were a Chinese intelligence specialist, I would research ways to exploit yellow fever (a well-known achilles heel of western men) to infiltrate the highest levels of western intelligence agencies to divulge secrets.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought they already did that. And not always using women, either.

  15. Gravatar bluejives your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought they already did that.”

    Explain. I was not aware.

  16. Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, added some links.

  17. Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    > a well-known achilles heel of western men

    Not all, BION. A close white-American friend of mine,
    still single for way too long, i tried introducing him
    to many Filipinas and Koreans — he wasn’t attracted,
    just didn’t like the looks and style. Ended up with a
    Ukrainian woman, is very happy. I’ve known other western-male
    -expats who don’t like Asian women much — “to each his own”.

  18. Posted August 29, 2006 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Here’s another link about the Katrina Leung case.

    And let’s not forget about the biggest “almost” Chinese honeypot of them all.

  19. Gravatar michael your flag
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    So, to sum up, we have Dirk Diggler wannabees with “yellow fever” blogging on one side, and http://www.angryasianman.com/ on the other. And the market for bear gall bladders is through the roof ;)

  20. Posted August 29, 2006 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    BJ:

    If I were a Chinese intelligence specialist, I would research ways to exploit yellow fever (a well-known achilles heel of western men) to infiltrate the highest levels of western intelligence agencies to divulge secrets.

    Wow, you’re probably the first person in history to think about using p*ssy to get secrets. As a tip, I’ve heard it works with non-Western men as well. And even women (is that last bit classified?).

    I suggest you sign up as a PRC intel jockey ASAP.

  21. Gravatar Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 2:56 am | Permalink

    I LOVE tabloid trash. It’s hatred I don’t like.

    The Shanghai professor leading the witchhunt has proposed a research study on Western women’s turn-ons so that he can give Chinese men tips on how to prey on Western women. Looking forward to reading it on a full stomach after dinner tonight.

  22. Posted August 30, 2006 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    I know nobody will believe me, but “Big is not necessary good” is true. You know how in the movies that depict Victorian Era society or 1950s conservatism - the kind of movies that came out after women’s liberation, that depict the unfulfilled sex lives of the women who never got to finish? I understand their pain….

    Anyway, this reminded me of something. Back in 1994 or 1993, before the ESL boom had even hit South Korea, I took some courses in TESOL that were necessary for certified teachers in the GA to get certification to teach ESL. It was a GREAT set of courses, because the vast majority of the class already had teaching experience from Korea, China, Japan, Central and South America, the Middle East, and more.

    Two students were a couple. They had gone to China to teach either in the early 90s or late 1980s. The guy talked about doing some siteseeing with a Chinese man. In this one town/city (don’t know how big but not one of the biggest), he said he saw a toilet facility and went in to do his business.

    As he was trying to squeeze it out, he said suddenly a head popped over the stall the disappeared. Seconds later, it popped up again and stayed a little longer.

    To cut this short, he said eventually, not only did that head remain staring down at him, but it was joined by more and more and more and more and more. He said eventually his guide had to come in with some help and rescue him from what was a like a poperatzee (sp?) mob scene by escorting him out of the toilet and down the street.

    He said what it was was Chinese curiosity about whether he had a big package like the stererotype said or not……They were on pecker patrol…

    And maybe it was because I heard that story before I went to Korea, but I could have sworn a couple of times over the years when I was in Korea at a bar some guys had the habit of going to pee when I did or would do more than casual glance over in the pew beside me to do the same…..

    And it did not take blogging or an asshole saying stupid things about Chinese or Korean men and women to build up this kind of situation.

    There is much more involved here than whether the Brit or the guy in the recent Korean blog story were assholes or not…..

  23. Posted August 30, 2006 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Shanghai professor had been in school too long and lost touch with common people.

    It is money that turns on women. If the Chinese were making $45,000 per year and the US were making $1000 per year, all China men have to do is to show up in the US. White women will take off their clothes.

    Money, money, money. People want money. Women are known to take off their clothes to get it.

    A lot of women. Women of all races, nationalities and creed.

    The Chinese had some chances when Russia was poor, circa 1990s. I have heard of some Russian women working in China as waitresses; they “served” customers.

    Since then, Ruskies have made some money through oil and their women are not cheap any more.

    I think China men will be looking into Korean women. After the US troops leave and Korea implodes into a communist country, women will be cheap. Dirt cheap. And, these will be better preys; size fits and women do not smell.

    Yep, this is what is going to happen in five to ten years, Cheap Korean Women. The Japanese have enjoyed them from 1920 to now, why not the Chinese have their turn? Why not?

    Korean men have blew it by kicking the US troops out. They messed up the best arrangement they had in entire Korean history. Stupid men of this magnitude should suffer. The Chinese will take thier women. Stupid Korean men’s gene should be extint.

  24. Gravatar bluejives your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    “The Shanghai professor leading the witchhunt has proposed a research study on Western women’s turn-ons so that he can give Chinese men tips on how to prey on Western women. Looking forward to reading it on a full stomach after dinner tonight.”

    You’re kidding.

  25. Posted August 30, 2006 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    “proposed a research study….how to prey on Western women”

    He should have just PMed Baduk……

  26. Gravatar Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    So, to sum up, we have Dirk Diggler wannabees with “yellow fever” blogging on one side, and http://www.angryasianman.com/ on the other. And the market for bear gall bladders is through the roof

    Michael, that’s the best laugh I’ve had all day.

  27. Gravatar James your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Robert-please keep the smutt steaming as long as it has something to do with Korea. After all, is there a blog that examines Korea effectively that can afford to leave that stuff out?
    It just so happens I know a white porn star and she tells me that at least for her, white guys are where it is at because black guys are too big (think pain) and asian guys are, well, pinner (she claims the stereotype is true).
    In the other hand, I knew a Canuk English teacher that let herself be used and abused by a Korean guy and I never heard her complain about performance-being dumped yes but not performance.

  28. Posted August 30, 2006 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    So, the conclusion is Canuk women are most versatile; they can accommodate different races.

    I should find one Canuk woman. I liked a gal from Toronto when I was in grad school but she didn’t love me back.

    Korean men didn’t have money then. But, now it is known that KoreanAmericans work hard and have more money than average Americans, some good-looking KA men are getting some winks from white gals.

  29. Gravatar James your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Actually, to be fair, the Korean guy dumped her so while she never complained of dissapointing performance, that may have been the reason he dumped her.

  30. Gravatar Wedge your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    So, whatever happened to bragging about your conquests to your close buddies over a cold one at the expat watering hole but telling the local men how unlucky you are with the local gals? This formula has worked well for millenia across all continents. These clowns get the Just Desserts Reward for putting this crap on the Internet.

  31. Gravatar Sonagi your flag
    Posted August 30, 2006 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    liked a gal from Toronto when I was in grad school but she didn’t love me back.

    Korean men didn’t have money then. But, now it is known that KoreanAmericans work hard and have more money than average Americans, some good-looking KA men are getting some winks from white gals.

    Baduk, most college students have empty wallets. I don’t think it was your temporary poverty that repelled her.

  32. Posted August 30, 2006 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Women are smart. They calculate future income levels of a possible mate. They do (or, their mothers tell them). Anyway, things were like that in 80s.

    Things are slightly different now that women can earn good money. Still, few women want to marry men who will make less money than them.

  33. Posted August 30, 2006 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    I applaud all Asian men who enjoy sportfucking the North American Wildebeast. In fact, I don’t think us white guys are at all “deserving” of them.

    Anyway, the blog-of-controversy-du-jour has been made private. No problems, we’ve got the GOOGLE cache. Robert, update your link:
    http://www.google.com/search?q.....ogspot.com

  34. Posted August 30, 2006 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and for the uninitiated, make sure you click on the Google links that say “Cached” when visiting http://www.google.com/search?q.....ogspot.com

  35. Posted August 31, 2006 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    The cachier will then provide you a copy of the page.

    (Sorry….)

  36. Posted September 15, 2006 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Did you see that the blog was outed as being a fake on http://www.asian-sirens.com ?

  37. Gravatar seouldout your flag
    Posted September 15, 2006 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Hat tip to yeolchae. I tracked down the “specifics” at http://www.asian-sirens.com/bl.....0_0_1_10_C and http://www.theinquirer.net/def.....icle=34079

    Now, why would 2 Chinese chaps been involved?

  38. Gravatar Solo your flag
    Posted September 16, 2006 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    WOW…thanks for the link to ‘asian-sirens’!!! I knew there was a reason to visit this blog today!!! ;) MORE SMUT!!!

    lol

  39. Gravatar Remort your flag
    Posted September 16, 2006 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    How many times has this EXACT SAME THING happened here in Korea?

    Getting inside her was – again as with other women – not so easy. It hurt her, though, unlike Gloria, or Liping, she did not let that stop her, she bore it and, with plenty of lube, the pain subsided after a while. And as she got used to it, she got more into it, me coming from behind, from spoon position. At first, she would not go on top but anon she did; later she told me her reluctance was due to doing this with a past lover – it had hurt him she said, so she thought maybe she was doing it wrong. Some wimpy Chinese guy in her past, I guess. Rolling her over later, I quested for a bit of anal, nudging my cock against her there – and as she did not demur, I pushed on, getting in maybe an inch. Then it began to hurt, so I desisted. But she was willing, so with more lube, more preparation, it might be achieved – and frankly that would be almost half the reason for me seeing her again.

    Haha, fake bloggers!! ROFL, ROFL, ROFL, ROFL!!!! The comments really are funny, you can tell people are genuinely pissed off. ROFL!!!

    –Remort

  40. Gravatar Remort your flag
    Posted September 17, 2006 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    Marmot’s Hole needs more smut like these stories to be posted.

    Cheers!

    –Remort

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