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		<title>By: Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; at ROK Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-121418</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] English teacher &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Korean media reported here and then translated by Robert here. I say with amusement because it was all that long ago when US soldiers were looked down upon by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; at ROK Drop</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-121417</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] English teacher &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Korean media reported here and then translated by Robert here. I say with amusement because it was all that long ago when US soldiers were looked down upon by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-53118</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Foreign English Teacher &#8220;Scandal&#8221; &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have been reading with amusement the current English teacher &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Korean media reported here and then translated by Robert here.  I say with amusement because it was all that long ago when US soldiers were looked down upon by the ex-pat English teacher crowd as giving them a bad image in Korea and aloe and be hold the tables have turned and the ex-pat English teacher crowd is giving us US soldiers a bad image.  Especially with the latest &#8220;scandal&#8221; coming on the heels of last year&#8217;s Spectrum-gate &#8220;scandal&#8221;.  I can remember a few years back during my first tour in Korea a Canadian English teacher I met, yes in Itaewon, asked me why US soldiers were so misbehaved in Korea giving everyone else a bad name.  I of course had to explain to this person that if you put a bunch of horny 18-21 year olds in a over sexed environment like Korea combined with unlimited amounts of alcohol, plus being away from home for the first time, what do think is going to happen?  Boot camp doesn&#8217;t create asexual people who don&#8217;t want to drink.  It doesn&#8217;t matter where you are from young people are more obnoxious and get in trouble, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you are a GI, a English teacher, or a Korean for that fact.Ex-pats in a bar focus on the same obnoxious 18-21 year olds in the bars they frequent every weekend and not the majority of soldiers minding their own business in local bars or back on post calling their families in the US they haven&#8217;t seen in months and other people minding their own business in their room playing Playstation for example.  USFK currently has about 28,000 soldiers in it so of course there are going to be a few bad apples that cause problems and when problems do occur the Korean media sensationalizes it and it wasn&#8217;t to long ago that many ex-pats bought into the bad GI crap as well when in fact young GI&#8217;s were acting very similar to young ex-pats; it was just back then nobody cared about ex-pats, now people do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have been reading with amusement the current English teacher &#8220;scandal&#8221; in the Korean media reported here and then translated by Robert here.  I say with amusement because it was all that long ago when US soldiers were looked down upon by the ex-pat English teacher crowd as giving them a bad image in Korea and aloe and be hold the tables have turned and the ex-pat English teacher crowd is giving us US soldiers a bad image.  Especially with the latest &#8220;scandal&#8221; coming on the heels of last year&#8217;s Spectrum-gate &#8220;scandal&#8221;.  I can remember a few years back during my first tour in Korea a Canadian English teacher I met, yes in Itaewon, asked me why US soldiers were so misbehaved in Korea giving everyone else a bad name.  I of course had to explain to this person that if you put a bunch of horny 18-21 year olds in a over sexed environment like Korea combined with unlimited amounts of alcohol, plus being away from home for the first time, what do think is going to happen?  Boot camp doesn&#8217;t create asexual people who don&#8217;t want to drink.  It doesn&#8217;t matter where you are from young people are more obnoxious and get in trouble, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you are a GI, a English teacher, or a Korean for that fact.Ex-pats in a bar focus on the same obnoxious 18-21 year olds in the bars they frequent every weekend and not the majority of soldiers minding their own business in local bars or back on post calling their families in the US they haven&#8217;t seen in months and other people minding their own business in their room playing Playstation for example.  USFK currently has about 28,000 soldiers in it so of course there are going to be a few bad apples that cause problems and when problems do occur the Korean media sensationalizes it and it wasn&#8217;t to long ago that many ex-pats bought into the bad GI crap as well when in fact young GI&#8217;s were acting very similar to young ex-pats; it was just back then nobody cared about ex-pats, now people do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: English Teacher Man Hunt in China &#171; GI Korea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-53107</link>
		<dc:creator>English Teacher Man Hunt in China &#171; GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If anyone thought the English teacher bashing in Korea recently was bad it is nothing compared to what is going in China.  The Peking Duck reports about an internet man hunt currently under way in China to uncover the owner of this blog Sex in Shanghai who is an English teacher who had the audacity to blog about his sexual exploits with his students. For months over at the China Blog List, I noticed that one blog always seemed to get good play, perhaps because of its curiosity-inducing name, Sex and Shanghai, and its subtitle, &#8220;Western scoundrel in Shanghai tells all.&#8221; I visted the site once, and that was more than enough. The last thing I need to do with my time is read an expat&#8217;s sex diary in which he describes in occasionally graphic detail his sexploitation of willing Chinese girls, many his former students. (The writing is excellent and the blogger offers some keen insights into the Chinese psyche, but all of that gets lost in the unending stream of pornographic reminiscences.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If anyone thought the English teacher bashing in Korea recently was bad it is nothing compared to what is going in China.  The Peking Duck reports about an internet man hunt currently under way in China to uncover the owner of this blog Sex in Shanghai who is an English teacher who had the audacity to blog about his sexual exploits with his students. For months over at the China Blog List, I noticed that one blog always seemed to get good play, perhaps because of its curiosity-inducing name, Sex and Shanghai, and its subtitle, &#8220;Western scoundrel in Shanghai tells all.&#8221; I visted the site once, and that was more than enough. The last thing I need to do with my time is read an expat&#8217;s sex diary in which he describes in occasionally graphic detail his sexploitation of willing Chinese girls, many his former students. (The writing is excellent and the blogger offers some keen insights into the Chinese psyche, but all of that gets lost in the unending stream of pornographic reminiscences.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog9</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-47714</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xi Said: "Many of them (Chinese or Koreans who moved to the US) are top students from top unversities and are studying in the best American universities. Many (not all, of course) ‘English teachers’, on the other hand, don’t even have a degree. They are the worst of western society and are total losers. Thanks to their bad stupid misbehaviors in Asia and the internet, these loser’s good days in Asia are numbered."

Man, you painted yourself into a corner with this one. "Not all" foreign English teachers in Korea have no degree"? Really Xi? I mean are you sure now? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and allow that what you meant is that the vast majority of foreign English teachers working legally in Korea MUST BY KOREAN LAW demonstrate proof of their degree and bring their sealed transcripts to immigration. Thus, the vast majority of foreign teachers here DO in fact hold at LEAST one four year university degree, from a REAL university (not even counting TESOL certificates, other training and experience etc.). 

And "our days in Asia are numbered"? Well maybe but the last time I checked the job offerings in EFL there were more positions throughout the world than ever. Even so, the job market isn't restricted to only Asia. 

See, first you need to compare the "unqualified" foreign English teachers with Korean English teachers in terms of 1) fluency 2) teaching methodology 3) willingness to impose real world grading testing/standards. As is quite obvious, the vast majority of Korean English teachers here just ain't up to task and should count themselves lucky to have a cozy pension-guaranteed job "teaching English" in the schools and universities. Or perhaps somebody like yourself (?)  so well steeped in our "western culture" and having "attended the top American universities" will come over and show us "worst of western society" foreigners how it's done? Well, I don't usually stoop to this level and I can forgive typos (I make them as well) but judging from your fluency all I can say is this: at your students' peril. 

By the way the fact that you came to the US from a top Korean university (or Chinese or whatever) does't really impress me. I've seen the university  "standards" here.  Why did you leave your home country to study in the US or Canada or England or Australia or Germany or France - which is where most of the English teachers in Korea also studied - if you weren't simply chasing after our western loser standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xi Said: &#8220;Many of them (Chinese or Koreans who moved to the US) are top students from top unversities and are studying in the best American universities. Many (not all, of course) ‘English teachers’, on the other hand, don’t even have a degree. They are the worst of western society and are total losers. Thanks to their bad stupid misbehaviors in Asia and the internet, these loser’s good days in Asia are numbered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Man, you painted yourself into a corner with this one. &#8220;Not all&#8221; foreign English teachers in Korea have no degree&#8221;? Really Xi? I mean are you sure now? I&#8217;ll give you the benefit of the doubt and allow that what you meant is that the vast majority of foreign English teachers working legally in Korea MUST BY KOREAN LAW demonstrate proof of their degree and bring their sealed transcripts to immigration. Thus, the vast majority of foreign teachers here DO in fact hold at LEAST one four year university degree, from a REAL university (not even counting TESOL certificates, other training and experience etc.). </p>
<p>And &#8220;our days in Asia are numbered&#8221;? Well maybe but the last time I checked the job offerings in EFL there were more positions throughout the world than ever. Even so, the job market isn&#8217;t restricted to only Asia. </p>
<p>See, first you need to compare the &#8220;unqualified&#8221; foreign English teachers with Korean English teachers in terms of 1) fluency 2) teaching methodology 3) willingness to impose real world grading testing/standards. As is quite obvious, the vast majority of Korean English teachers here just ain&#8217;t up to task and should count themselves lucky to have a cozy pension-guaranteed job &#8220;teaching English&#8221; in the schools and universities. Or perhaps somebody like yourself (?)  so well steeped in our &#8220;western culture&#8221; and having &#8220;attended the top American universities&#8221; will come over and show us &#8220;worst of western society&#8221; foreigners how it&#8217;s done? Well, I don&#8217;t usually stoop to this level and I can forgive typos (I make them as well) but judging from your fluency all I can say is this: at your students&#8217; peril. </p>
<p>By the way the fact that you came to the US from a top Korean university (or Chinese or whatever) does&#8217;t really impress me. I&#8217;ve seen the university  &#8220;standards&#8221; here.  Why did you leave your home country to study in the US or Canada or England or Australia or Germany or France - which is where most of the English teachers in Korea also studied - if you weren&#8217;t simply chasing after our western loser standards?</p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog9</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-47709</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonagi from United States   
Posted August 28, 2006 at 8:25 pm &#124; Permalink
Bluedog, post 60 shows a Thai flag and the time 11:23 PM. Post 70 changes to a South Korean flag and shows a time of 10:21 AM. No need to use proxies. We’re all friends here.

Uh, ok....thanks? Yes I was in Thailand and I guess the Thai flag shows on this site; yes an Indonesian flag was displayed on this site (although from Thailand), and in Indonesia I even noticed a Thai flag, too. In Singapore and Malaysia I was too busy having fun at the beaches to bother with Internet sites (I do have a real life sometimes). Was my vacation itinerary ok with you or is there some hidden question/comment in your fascination with my whereabouts? If you need some good info on places to stay or eat I'll gladly oblige; just come out and ask it my man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonagi from United States<br />
Posted August 28, 2006 at 8:25 pm | Permalink<br />
Bluedog, post 60 shows a Thai flag and the time 11:23 PM. Post 70 changes to a South Korean flag and shows a time of 10:21 AM. No need to use proxies. We’re all friends here.</p>
<p>Uh, ok&#8230;.thanks? Yes I was in Thailand and I guess the Thai flag shows on this site; yes an Indonesian flag was displayed on this site (although from Thailand), and in Indonesia I even noticed a Thai flag, too. In Singapore and Malaysia I was too busy having fun at the beaches to bother with Internet sites (I do have a real life sometimes). Was my vacation itinerary ok with you or is there some hidden question/comment in your fascination with my whereabouts? If you need some good info on places to stay or eat I&#8217;ll gladly oblige; just come out and ask it my man.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-47701</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Zonath: "Okay, so America is a bad example if you want to talk about an open, non-xenophobic society…"&lt;/b&gt;

Compared to other nations, America comes out pretty much ahead in these areas.

...which reminds one of Churchill's quip about democracy ("It's the worst form of government...except for all the others."  

For example, in the wake of the riots in France, U.S. Moslems have mused that the American "melting pot" does not leave them isolated and disenfrancized as in Europe.

Bottom line - nowhere in the world have so many peoples come together so successfully as in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Zonath: &#8220;Okay, so America is a bad example if you want to talk about an open, non-xenophobic society…&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Compared to other nations, America comes out pretty much ahead in these areas.</p>
<p>&#8230;which reminds one of Churchill&#8217;s quip about democracy (&#8221;It&#8217;s the worst form of government&#8230;except for all the others.&#8221;  </p>
<p>For example, in the wake of the riots in France, U.S. Moslems have mused that the American &#8220;melting pot&#8221; does not leave them isolated and disenfrancized as in Europe.</p>
<p>Bottom line - nowhere in the world have so many peoples come together so successfully as in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-47698</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Zonath: "I suppose maybe you’re right, but you could just as easily say that about Americans who think immigrants are entering the country illegally to ‘take their jobs’ and worry that the dark-skinned boy from school is getting a little too friendly with their daughter.&lt;/b&gt;

Yes, Zonath, I agree that a small minority of Americans still suffer from this kind of primative  thinking. But with the vast majority of Koreans still mired in this primative mindset, is it any wonder Korea remains so backwards, socially awkward and isolated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Zonath: &#8220;I suppose maybe you’re right, but you could just as easily say that about Americans who think immigrants are entering the country illegally to ‘take their jobs’ and worry that the dark-skinned boy from school is getting a little too friendly with their daughter.</b></p>
<p>Yes, Zonath, I agree that a small minority of Americans still suffer from this kind of primative  thinking. But with the vast majority of Koreans still mired in this primative mindset, is it any wonder Korea remains so backwards, socially awkward and isolated?</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What is it that all Koreans (correcting for a .05 standard deviation) commonly exhibit when confronting foreign nationals? Unease, paranoia, isolationism and a complex of psychological tendencies associated with acute insecurity about racial identity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose maybe you're right, but you could just as easily say that about Americans who think immigrants are entering the country illegally to 'take their jobs' and worry that the dark-skinned boy from school is getting a little too friendly with their daughter.  And don't even get me started about the idiocy and cultural chauvanism that led to the US Congress objecting to the serving of French fries in the cafeteria.  ...and this amongst many of the (ostensibly, although I have my doubts) most highly-educated and well-traveled sector of the American public.  Of course, America has just about the lowest rate of foreign-language learning in the developed world, so maybe you're onto something there.  Heck, we get our panties in a knot over the idea that maybe we should allow Spanish-speaking people in America to receive their primary education in Spanish (and learn English gradually) rather than sticking the kids in remedial English classes, teaching the rest of the subjects in English, and hoping for the best.  Okay, so America is a bad example if you want to talk about an open, non-xenophobic society...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is it that all Koreans (correcting for a .05 standard deviation) commonly exhibit when confronting foreign nationals? Unease, paranoia, isolationism and a complex of psychological tendencies associated with acute insecurity about racial identity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose maybe you&#8217;re right, but you could just as easily say that about Americans who think immigrants are entering the country illegally to &#8216;take their jobs&#8217; and worry that the dark-skinned boy from school is getting a little too friendly with their daughter.  And don&#8217;t even get me started about the idiocy and cultural chauvanism that led to the US Congress objecting to the serving of French fries in the cafeteria.  &#8230;and this amongst many of the (ostensibly, although I have my doubts) most highly-educated and well-traveled sector of the American public.  Of course, America has just about the lowest rate of foreign-language learning in the developed world, so maybe you&#8217;re onto something there.  Heck, we get our panties in a knot over the idea that maybe we should allow Spanish-speaking people in America to receive their primary education in Spanish (and learn English gradually) rather than sticking the kids in remedial English classes, teaching the rest of the subjects in English, and hoping for the best.  Okay, so America is a bad example if you want to talk about an open, non-xenophobic society&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/25/breaknews-article-on-naughty-english-teachers-up/#comment-47662</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Zonath: So xenophobia = poor English retention ability? Sorry, not so sure I buy that as the ‘obvious answer’ to the problems the English-learning system has.What about university entrance exams?\"&lt;/b&gt;

Yes, Zonath, you\'re right that that is part of the systemic side of the problem, and that there are numerous other facets to this labyrinthian issue. You need to go deeper, however, to get to the heart of all these ever-arising facets that continue to contribute to the problem itself. To crack the source of the problem itself, ask what is the cultural attribute behind the phenomenon? What is it that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; Koreans (correcting for a .05 standard deviation) commonly exhibit when confronting foreign nationals? Unease, paranoia, isolationism and a complex of psychological tendencies associated with acute insecurity about racial identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Zonath: So xenophobia = poor English retention ability? Sorry, not so sure I buy that as the ‘obvious answer’ to the problems the English-learning system has.What about university entrance exams?\&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Yes, Zonath, you\&#8217;re right that that is part of the systemic side of the problem, and that there are numerous other facets to this labyrinthian issue. You need to go deeper, however, to get to the heart of all these ever-arising facets that continue to contribute to the problem itself. To crack the source of the problem itself, ask what is the cultural attribute behind the phenomenon? What is it that <i>all</i> Koreans (correcting for a .05 standard deviation) commonly exhibit when confronting foreign nationals? Unease, paranoia, isolationism and a complex of psychological tendencies associated with acute insecurity about racial identity.</p>
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