Well, the Korean media today did a collective, “Holy shit, that freak taught in KOREA,” with most papers running stories on it.
But before we discuss that—and the possible fallout—we have this rather bizarre piece of info pertaining to the JonBenet Ramsey crime scene, courtesy CNN:
The cord around her neck was looped around a 4 1/2-inch wooden “stick” with the word “Korea” printed on it in gold lettering. A portion of another word on the piece of wood was not legible.
Maybe the NIS did it.
Anyway, back to Mr. Karr. According to Yonhap, the Korean Justice Ministry can’t yet confirm whether the dude in question actually taught here. In a briefing today, the head of Korea’s immigration bureau said that without specific information, namely a passport number and a date of birth, it can’t say for sure whether the man suspected of killing Ramsey came to Korea.
It also said its refusal to answer confirmation requests by foreign journalists was standard practice to protect individual privacy.
According to a source at Incheon International Airport, however, an individual by the name of John Mark Karr entered Korea three times between 2001 and 2005. On all three visits he came without a visa, meaning he could stay no more than 30 days. Of course, the source was unable to confirm whether the guy in question is the same one under arrest in Thailand.
According to the Seoul Shinmun, however, Mr. Karr allegedly taught at the I&S Language School in Bongcheon-dong, Gwanak-gu for two months starting in January 2002 (note: I’m really surprised an official would release the name of the school like that). This information was provided to the paper courtesy Kim Seon-tae, an official with the Dongjak Office of Education. Although according to Yonhap, Kim qualified this by saying he was unsure if the guy in question is the same one everyone is talking about.
Needless to say, this is prompting calls to strengthen Korea’s ability to keep out foreign sex offenders and improve the standards for hiring foreign teachers.
The Chosun Ilbo noted that the Korean government is unable to prevent sex offenders from entering the country because it lacks information sharing arrangements with other countries. The Chosun cited as an example a May sexual assault that took place at an English camp in Seongnam, Gyeonggi Province. Would have been a good example, too, if only the “American assistant instructor” cited by the Chosun hadn’t been a Korean national.
The Segye Ilbo, meanwhile, criticized the nation’s school for hiring foreign teachers without asking any questions first. In particular, they criticized some hagwons for purposely hiring unqualified English teachers in order to save money.
In June, a 26-year old Mr. A came knocking at an English hagwon in Seocho-gu. He claimed to be an American with a degree from an American university and lots of experience teaching English. Impressed by his dress, his fluent English and the fact that he wasn’t asking for as much money as other instructors, they hired him without confirming his background. Mr. A taught an hour and a half everyday and received 2 million won a month (!). After the immigration officials came a knockin’, however, it turned out our lucky English teacher was a) Nigerian, and b) NOT a college graduate.
And here I was thinking black folk couldn’t get jobs teaching English in Korea. Frankly, the guy should have been deported just for making 2 million a month working an hour and half a day, even in Gangnam.
Anyway, according to the law and the Segye Ilbo, foreigners need to get an E-2 visa to teach at the country’s hagwon, and they need to present a 4-year diploma to their school.
Many teachers, however, enter the country on tourist visas, and they lie about their nationalities and academic credentials.
In October of last year, 69 foreigners were busted and deported for teaching English with forged degrees from universities in English-speaking nations.
According to Seoul immigration officials, about 240 unqualified foreign teachers were busted in Seoul alone last year. This year, some 20~30 teachers are busted a month. Even more concerning, there are even cases of individuals with criminal records getting jobs teaching in Korea.
Part of the problem, according to the Segye Ilbo, is that even if such teachers are caught, there’s is little the authorities can do to punish them. In most cases, the teachers and the schools that hire them are fined. Foreigners believe that even if you’re caught and deported, you still come out ahead as long as you’ve been working for over a year.
An official with one hagwon in Jongno told the paper that students prefer foreign teachers, and hagwons often find that the teachers they bring over in a pinch are unqualified. The schools, however, feel that the punishment is light enough to justify the risk.
Of course, the netizens have something to say about this. Over at online issue discussion site Buchaejil, there’s an article on the netizen fury over low-quality English teachers and the Korean women who love them.
Pointing to the shock many felt at learning that the prime suspect in the Ramsey killing may have taught children in Korea, the writer noted that netizens were outraged that even murderers can apparently get jobs teaching in Korea and are calling for employment conditions for native English speakers to be strengthened.
The article pointed out that questions about the behavior of native-speaking English teachers in Korea have been raised for some time. Hagwon officials complain that they are going crazy because of the behavior of their foreign teachers.
It noted that not so long ago, a “native speaking instructor” at an English camp sexually assaulted a student, but hagwon officials say such incidents happen all the time.
According to a netizen familiar with the problem of decadent foreign teachers, the foreign instructors, who apparently think of Korean women as sexual playthings, are only part of the problem. Also problematic are Korean women with a weakness for foreign guys.
The netizen said there are many instances of foreign teachers seducing women at nightclubs and the clubs of Hongik University by telling them they’ll teach them English.
And just to show you that the ghosts of English Spectumgate are still with us, the piece treats readers to a selection of choice photos from the scandal, including ones I hadn’t seen yet.
The article cites an assortment of netizen comments about foreign English teachers and the chicks that chase after them. My favorite however, was this one by an individual going under the online ID of asleychung:
The place you’ll find a lot of low-quality English teachers is the JJ Mahoney nightclub of the Seoul Hyatt Hotel. It seems even moneyless, beggar-like English teachers can get in. They all get together to hit on Korean women. Whart’s worse, also going there are garbage-like kyopo from Canada who come to Korea because they can’t get jobs back home. To make a living, they teach children English in places like Budang and Pyeongchon, but at the club, they act like big shots intimidating and seducing the women who come there.
God bless the netizens—they teach you something new everyday.
In the wake of the break in the Ramsey case, netizens are calling for regulations on the hiring of foreign teachers to be strengthened. One netizen decried how foreigners don’t appear subject to background checks when hired as teachers. Another complained of all the “American beggars” coming to Korea to teach low-quality English and fraternize with local women, and called on the government to strengthen its qualification requirements. Still other netizens complained of all the low-class foreigners teaching English in Korea.
Some people are taking things into their own hands. The Korea Foreign Teacher Recruiting Association has released a blacklist, of course, and some patriotic netizens have banded together over at Naver.com to form a movement to expel illegal English teachers.
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Does anyone else want a translation of this Korean guy who killed a girl after he saw her talking to a white guy?
http://news.naver.com/news/rea.....enu_id=102
and the Buchaejil link isn’t working…
A four year degree in ANYTHING and you’re qualified to teach English. Woohoo!
Fixed the link.
BTW, the story you linked to doesn’t actually say he say the victim talking to a white guy. According to the suspect’s statement, he’d seen a lot of Korean girls hanging with foreign guys, and he got to remembering a lot of bad things (probably pertaining to his divorce), and he ended up killing a girl in a drunken rage. The article didn’t make it clear whether the girl in question was one of the girls whom he’d seen hanging out with foreign dudes, and in fact, I got the feeling she wasn’t, but rather a random young woman.
you’re…….please fix that for me Marmot
On the article — it sounds like it doesn’t make too much difference whether she was one of the women or not. Guy sees a mixed couple. Starts getting pissed. Ends up killing some woman…
Anyway, this (the killer caught in Thailand) is one of those things that shows how tight-knit Korean society is and the use of the internet like the post just the other day. But stuff like this was visible before the internet age: it makes me think of the Meg Ryan fury — something comes along connected outside Korea but touches on Korea, and Korean nationalism (and bigotry) turns a spark into a forest fire — with calls for a witch hunt.
I’m sure someone will tell me the same thing happens in the US and Canada, but if someone can think of one (in recent memory) off the top of their head, post about it. I can’t really think of one off the top of my head. Bill Cosby’s son’s murder came to mind, but it was actual an example counter to the “it’s the same all over” argument.
You know. I’m thinking this could actually end up being good for the English-teaching community in South Korea. After all, if the government starts checking credentials and backgrounds, or even requiring (gasp) actual teaching credentials in order to get a job as an English teacher, maybe that’ll lead to a situation where hagwons are forced to improve conditions in order to be able to get teachers, since there wouldn’t be as many to go around. And maybe hagwons would be a little more nervous about losing a teacher, knowing that they couldn’t just hire someone unqualified for a couple months while they get a new teacher. Maybe then, with those teachers with more of a propensity to treat their situation like spring break out of the picture, the actual image of foreign English teachers starts to brighten up a bit (although they’ll never be truly welcome). Finally, with many of the shady hagwons going under for the lack of shady teachers to go around, South Korea might be able to improve its image and become the sort of place that has a good reputation for fair dealing and good conditions — after all, laziness and corruption in government officials hurts everyone.
Of course, that’s not what’s going to happen. The best bet is that the netijen rage prompts the immigration bureau in 1-2 months to launch a “crackdown” on unqualified foreigners, which results in a few dozen teachers with phony degrees or who’ve overstayed (in Seoul and the surrounding areas only — nobody really cares about the provinces) being expelled (most of whom sneak back in after cooling their heels in Thailand for a couple months) — “mission accomplished”. In the meanwhile, nothing actually changes, except that the citizenry gets more and more frustrated, hagwon owners once again get validation of their idea that they can get away with this sort of thing, and the situation just keeps getting shittier for all. Yaay.
Yahoo News has picked the theme within the greater context of Asia:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....a_teachers
Big discussion board here.
http://boards.courttv.com/foru.....orumid=306
Biggest boards on the internet seems to deal with unsolved crime issues.
OK, I am calling bulls**t on this one. The Korean media always makes claims like this, yet no matter how many English teachers you talk to, none report getting that much money for so little time worked. Furthermore, the above claims that this guy was getting less money than your average teacher. With reports like this, it is no wonder Koreans resent English teachers.
All of this still does not explain why the great majority of crime in Korea is committed by Koreans . . . who do not teach English or why the biggest prostitution ring in the U.S. that was actually caught was Korean.
Maybe the “netizens” should start asking the Korean Government to screen Koreans instead — at least that would improve my neighborhood.
Oh yes, most of the “papers in Korea” should do a story on this:
I guess Real Korean Crime ™ is just not as interesting or newsworthy in Seoul.
Why doesn’t the government require criminal background checks? It only costs a few dollars and at least would clear up some of the problems.
I already had mine done two years ago. I saw a story like this coming miles away.
Too many people who have done time come to this country.
One problem in doing criminal background checks is government employees’ appalling lack of proficiency in the English language, and lack of familiarity with the standards and practices of the wider world. That means they can’t accurately parse what written information is presented to them, and are terrified of picking up the phone to call a foreign stranger to ask questions. Social differences make it seem impossible to gather the information which is readily available — if only they knew where and how to ask. And Korean Pride™ forbids hiring non-Koreans as civil servants, or outside contractors, to do the work that Koreans can’t do. So better to do nothing.
Not to pick on the English teachers — something I’m frequently accused of doing here — but because these individuals move into a position of trust and special access (usually) to children, it is or should be criminally negligent not to check them out. Applicants for E-2 visas should be required to pay a processing fee of $350 or more to cover the cost of hiring investigators to conduct and interpret legitimate background checks including employment history and criminal records. I’ve thought about drafting a bill for the National Assembly and establishing a company to do just that, but don’t look forward to the breathless reporting of how some private foreign-owned company is making “a fortune” on government contracting. And also, frankly, I don’t believe that the processing fee wouldn’t simply be diverted to general revenue to pay for the “MT” of Korean Embassy or Consulate employees instead of doing legitimate background investigations.
But no checks on foreign lawyers, please.
Right on, Brendon —
that’s the problem and the best practical solution.
In Canada it is about $20 to have the police run (and print) a security check for ya. If I was Korean Immi, I’d talk to the consolate from the “English” countries and ask what could be coordinated.
If not, if one country refused, fine, don’t allow them to have the visa.
R. Elgin—Most of the Korean media did run stories on that bust. And frankly, I’d be much more concerned about letting pedaphiles into the country to teach English to children than professional working girls breaking the law to make a little cash and provide a social service.
Robert – Professional working girls or trafficked slaves??
Trafficked slaves, eh?
I concur Robert about not letting criminals into Korea, however these newspapers and “netizens” greatly exagerate the threat of crime from foreigners in Korea. Such complaints, on their part, are more likely racially or politically motivated and are not the result of genuine concern for the public welfare.
I liked Brendon’s idea but I suspect he is accurate in how some people would complain about a foreign-owned firm making money from government contracts, despite the fact that such a company would be performing a greatly needed service for the betterment Korean society.
As a long-time English teacher here, I would support ANYTHING to raise the standards in hagwons. I am so tired of being lumped in the same category as so many LOSERS who are only here to make enough cash to get drunk every night and hook up with as many women as possible, and who don’t give a rat’s ass about the students whom they teach. I also find it embarrassing and culturally insensitive that so many of them dress like bums and have all kinds of metal hanging out of their faces. Don’t even get me started about guys with unkempt hair down to their waists…. What sort of impression does that leave on a closed society, such as Korea?
The fake degrees and irresponsible behavior have cheapened the whole concept of native-English-speaking teachers.
Out there in Korea netizen land one would expect that there would be many supposedly waygook friendly people. Wives/Husbands (and hence extended Korean family of waygooks. Work colleagues and friends of waygooks. Many of these people MUST read the many bigoted and racist comments, directed at waygooks on sites such as Naver. What is there response? On any discussion forum (as this one) there are many points of view.
Unfortunately my Korean is not good enough (still studying), so maybe those with better Korean can answer this question. Do any so called Waygook friendly netizens ever counter argue the racist/bigoted comments they encounter? or do they stay silent? If they are silent, then are these people really impartial? Are these people really our/your friends? or are they Korean first, friend/inlaw/wife/husband second?
Austin, are you asking if Koreans have a non-sophisticated view of foreigners? Do Koreans have xenophobic tendencies? Are the orphanages full of unwanted children because of blood? You know white waygooks are known as long noses. Yes I have friends that I trust do not slander me behind my back. My friends for the most part are educated. You find similar bigotry in uneducated Americans. But the big question is how many of the comments are bigotry, and how much is truth?
Seems like this Karr fellow had a very short stay in Korea. Maybe he bagged on Korea after a few months. Wounldn’t that headline be bruising for Korean pride, “Psychotic Drifter Teacher Found Korean Schools Not to His Liking.”
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Mr. Karr had actually taught English in Korea, there is a large disparity in the quality of English language education here. I could easily see Mr. Karr sneaking into one of the crappy Wonderland schools for example unnoticed.
Only the very rich can afford to send their children to the very best English schools. Everyone else who wants their children to receive English education is stuck with the crappy English schools.
Korea at best offers its English teachers US$40,000/year. The average American college graduate makes AT LEAST THIS AMOUNT, which happens to be about US$10,000 more than the national average income for Americans — with unemployment below 5% it’ll take a lot of incentive to lure away an American from their comfy lifestyles back home. So, Korean is stuck with often inferior teachers from other English-speaking countries (READ: CANADIANS) since these folks can’t find a job in their own country.
Largely, this educational disparity goes far beyond just English education, they can also afford the best institutes for arts, science, math, taekwondo, etc. while others that can’t afford it stick their kids in front of TVs.
The real problem is the left-wing, socialist teachers in Korea that provide just English, err Konglish vocabulary education. Surely anyone can understand why Korean teachers that and beat the crap out of the kids that are held in such high regard in Korean/Asian society. Now, I can definitely understand why mothers pack up and leave to the States with their children, while fathers stay home in Korea and screw prostitutes. The real question is why in the hell would they ever return to Korea?
–Remort
You guys are all talking about government solutions, but what’s wrong with the free market? Why can’t certain hagwons pay more money to hire well-qualified and well-vetted teachers, and then promote the fact they have great teachers to the consuming public? Such a well-resepected hagwon chaebol would kick ass if done right.
Which brings us to the key point–foreigners instinctively know this, but Korean hagwon owners are too short-term profit oriented to do anything besides churn and burn. The simple solution is to open the hagwon market to foreign entities, which would force the existing hagwons to adapt or die. Carr Enterprises (of which I’d hope to be an investor
) would do the background checks for the hagwons themselves, not per a government mandate.
Chaebol English schools ROFL ROFL ROFL! Well, hmm, actually most of the Japanese zaibatsu do have in-house English schools but it’s only for the top-tier management, most of whom attended U.S. universities.
–Remort
Korean Chaebol also have their own in-house English institutes. Teachers are paid well and put up in very nice apartments, and their corporate employers have very high expectations.
Knee-jerk, knee-jerk!!
YAWN! Still not confirmed that Karr was actually in here. How then is the murder of Ramsey connected to standards of teaching in Hagwaons? Other than the fact that places like schools attract sickos and we should all be vigilant.
I am sick and tired of being guilty by association. Just because I’m a foreign teacher does not mean I spend every night drunk as a monkey acting like a dick! I have no problem with the notion of having background checks carried out, maybe it would weed out the undesirables, but how many times have you dealt with Korean Immigration and everything’s gone flawlessly?!
Nine years, nine visas, never a problem. I did have a problem with the xenophobic banmal-speaking jerk in the university general affairs office, who delighted in churning out visa paperwork at the last minute, forcing the waegooks he hated to make a mad dash to Mokdong. My final year in Korea, I got the paperwork two days before my flight was scheduled to depart. Advised by a fellow foreigner that if I took my airline ticket to Mokdong with a sob story, I might get express service. Did I ever. After explaining my situation and submitting my documents, the immigration officer asked me to take a seat and wait. Ten minutes later, he called me back and handed me my passport, stamped with a renewed visa. No special fees, no white envelopes.
This doesn’t mean that a trip to Mokdong is hassle-free for everyone. It just means we shouldn’t generalize about Korean immigration officials anymore than we should generalize about foreign English teachers.
So, Korean is stuck with often inferior teachers from other English-speaking countries (READ: CANADIANS) since these folks can’t find a job in their own country.
What does this have to do with Canadians? And what makes a Canadian graduate inferior to an American?
If Canada’s higher unemployment rate ( currently 6.5%) drives more Canadians overseas, then wouldn’t the overall quality be a little higher than that of American teachers, who presumably are the 5% that can’t even find work in a job market at nearly full employment? Your silly statement is a mirror image of knee-jerk anti-Americanism.
I agree with Carr about the background check thing. That’s what would fix the problem. I don’t know how likely it is that it will happen — fixing a problem like this seems to be just too difficult for Korean society to handle for some strange reason. I guess something REALLY BAD is going to have to happen before it gets fixed. Too bad, the bad thing has to happen.
Most of the times I went to Immigration, things were handled very professionally and cordially. Of course, I never had to deal with the Immigration offices in Seoul, so maybe that’s the difference.
And heck, even if they’re not going to do full background checks, they should at least check academic credentials. After all, why have standards if you don’t bother to get the information you need to enforce them?
Thought this sums up how fucked up many expats are It’s from one of Time Magazine’s blogs:
Remort’s slander about how lower Korean wage level pulls “low-quality” English teachers overlooks the fact that money is not everything. Some people are impelled to come to Korea for reasons other than money: they may be married to a Korean, want to marry a Korean, interested in Korean language or culture, or maybe they want to diddle kids. In other words, don’t underestimate the pull of adventure.
If anyone is interested, here’s the Google cache to his resume that says he worked in Korea and has traveled to Japan.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q.....=firefox-a
The original has been deleted.
I agree 100% with this statement. I also support criminal background checks but I think that the school should pay rather than the individual teacher.
If individual teachers paid application fees at the Embassy or Consulate, it undoubtedly would become part of their employment contract to get that fee reimbursed by the institute — or rather, the fee would become another broken promise or “misunderstanding”.
Makes you wonder who they must hire to work at their newpapers
i don’t think it’s possible for the immigration office to do background checks. i think, if the aspirant person wants to come to korea to teach, he/she should confirm with the korean consulate/embassy in their respective country and have the korean consulate/embassy do a simple criminal background check in cooperation with the local police department. while this won’t weed out everyone, it should help somewhat.
Why would one teach at a lowly hagwon for seven years at “lower pay” than one could get in the US?
Well, in my case, I like the hours, I like the benefits which far exceed what I could get in the US– housing is a big thing, coming from a place where a hole in the wall costs upwards of US$1000 per month. My taxes are lower, and Korea is strategically located to visit places that are considered ‘exotic’ back home.
On top of that, PC is not out of control like it is in the US. Anyone who has ever worked in an American classroom knows what I am talking about. When I add together savings on housing and lower taxation, I am making a hell of a lot more than I would in the US doing the same thing.
Culture and language are also aspects of Korean society that I am interested in and would not be able to experience back home.
Immigration should make a successful criminal background check a condition for issuing work visas– not just E2 visas, but ALL work visas. I am sure that it isn’t that hard to get a report after the appropriate paperwork is filled out.
Mr. Mao, I think the message is Canadians are lesser North Americans. I think this is what you are trying to draw out. Come on you know what you read. You took the bait. I don’t have an issue with you guys who come over to teach English, but you seem to draw negative attention to yourselves at every turn. People ask me if I am an English teacher and I immediately take offense, I wonder why?
Lesser? You mean like the Japanese think the Koreans are lesser Asians?
You take offense at English teachers because you are a judgmental snob, perhaps?
I don´t think you should be teaching anyone.
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