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	<title>Comments on: Well, are they going or staying? UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: ghola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-46005</link>
		<dc:creator>ghola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 07:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>besides, guiliani's no presidential material.. are you kidding me.. that 'll be the day. who's next.. alberto gonzalez... yeah right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>besides, guiliani&#8217;s no presidential material.. are you kidding me.. that &#8216;ll be the day. who&#8217;s next.. alberto gonzalez&#8230; yeah right.</p>
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		<title>By: ghola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-46002</link>
		<dc:creator>ghola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you really think middle america is going to pick an italian american ?  nothing against guiliani, but.. i doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you really think middle america is going to pick an italian american ?  nothing against guiliani, but.. i doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45997</link>
		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghola, you're nuts.  Giuliani's biggest fight would be at the Republican primary.  If he takes it there's not a democrat this side of Hooville who can take him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghola, you&#8217;re nuts.  Giuliani&#8217;s biggest fight would be at the Republican primary.  If he takes it there&#8217;s not a democrat this side of Hooville who can take him.</p>
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		<title>By: ghola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45969</link>
		<dc:creator>ghola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>secretary of state dr rice has a better chance those two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>secretary of state dr rice has a better chance those two.</p>
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		<title>By: ghola</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45956</link>
		<dc:creator>ghola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain nor any godfather will ever become president..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain nor any godfather will ever become president..</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45937</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US."

Unfortunately, the Democrats may take the US and fortunately, the Conservatives may take the Blue House, meaning the alliance will probably limp along for a good while yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Democrats may take the US and fortunately, the Conservatives may take the Blue House, meaning the alliance will probably limp along for a good while yet.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45888</link>
		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah...I was gonna say this and forgot:  A dual command set up during peacetime for a wartime scenario is worth a warm bucket of hamster vomit.  Whatever they agree to now can be quickly reversed.  Another "Pusan Letter" only takes 2 seconds to scratch down and sign by a suddenly enlightened ROK president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah&#8230;I was gonna say this and forgot:  A dual command set up during peacetime for a wartime scenario is worth a warm bucket of hamster vomit.  Whatever they agree to now can be quickly reversed.  Another &#8220;Pusan Letter&#8221; only takes 2 seconds to scratch down and sign by a suddenly enlightened ROK president.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45887</link>
		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm inclined to believe the 2009 transfer date was spoken through a poker face.  I don't think any serious plans for such are being formulated and the notion is being put forth simply to scare some MND folks back to reality and get them to pressure the Blue house.  The next election though is going to be crucial (both SK and USA presidential ballots).  If another shoeshiner takes over in Seoul and McCain or Giuliani takes over in the US, the alliance is over folks.  

BTW, I am certain Rumsfeld had this whole scenario envisioned when he agreed to plans to move 2ID south and started holding talks to move USFK to Pyeongtaek.  Is it any wonder that to this day no money has been set aside to move USFK although it is supposed to be complete by 2007?  Write it down in your journals now:  If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US.  

Whether good or not, Americans need to overtly support South Koreans' sense of national sovereignty (note the word "sense").  All things remaining equal, I think an exit from Korea is a bad move in the long run but things don't remain equal and the cultural trend in South Korea is towards more anti-Americanism where simple American presence is viewed as hostile and invasive.  Eventually, that perception will create an instability that will need to be mollified by an exit.  Stability in a NE Asian region with a "progressive" South Korea will be achieved by increasing our ties to Japan and maintaining a form of detente with the nationalistic peninsula, whether it's divided or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to believe the 2009 transfer date was spoken through a poker face.  I don&#8217;t think any serious plans for such are being formulated and the notion is being put forth simply to scare some MND folks back to reality and get them to pressure the Blue house.  The next election though is going to be crucial (both SK and USA presidential ballots).  If another shoeshiner takes over in Seoul and McCain or Giuliani takes over in the US, the alliance is over folks.  </p>
<p>BTW, I am certain Rumsfeld had this whole scenario envisioned when he agreed to plans to move 2ID south and started holding talks to move USFK to Pyeongtaek.  Is it any wonder that to this day no money has been set aside to move USFK although it is supposed to be complete by 2007?  Write it down in your journals now:  If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US.  </p>
<p>Whether good or not, Americans need to overtly support South Koreans&#8217; sense of national sovereignty (note the word &#8220;sense&#8221;).  All things remaining equal, I think an exit from Korea is a bad move in the long run but things don&#8217;t remain equal and the cultural trend in South Korea is towards more anti-Americanism where simple American presence is viewed as hostile and invasive.  Eventually, that perception will create an instability that will need to be mollified by an exit.  Stability in a NE Asian region with a &#8220;progressive&#8221; South Korea will be achieved by increasing our ties to Japan and maintaining a form of detente with the nationalistic peninsula, whether it&#8217;s divided or not.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/09/well-are-they-going-or-staying/#comment-45644</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see--about 15 former defense ministers with decades of experience say don't let Korea have wartime command at all; the current S.K. military leaders say don't let it happen until 2012; but Roh "What, Me Worry?" Moohyun says bring it on today...hmm, who to believe....

Iceberg, there's a commercial for KTF (I think) that has the Clash's "Revolution Rock" playing on it, makes me laugh--talk about clueless advertisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8211;about 15 former defense ministers with decades of experience say don&#8217;t let Korea have wartime command at all; the current S.K. military leaders say don&#8217;t let it happen until 2012; but Roh &#8220;What, Me Worry?&#8221; Moohyun says bring it on today&#8230;hmm, who to believe&#8230;.</p>
<p>Iceberg, there&#8217;s a commercial for KTF (I think) that has the Clash&#8217;s &#8220;Revolution Rock&#8221; playing on it, makes me laugh&#8211;talk about clueless advertisers.</p>
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		<title>By: ORblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ORblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another money quote from the Yonhap article:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Roh, however, said the country's military is competent enough to exercise wartime control even if the U.S. returns it immediately.   "To make the military one of the most advanced in the world requires the target year of 2012, but it makes little difference if it happens earlier," he said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fine, let's give him what he wants.  Full wartime control, now.  That should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another money quote from the Yonhap article:</p>
<blockquote><p> Roh, however, said the country&#8217;s military is competent enough to exercise wartime control even if the U.S. returns it immediately.   &#8220;To make the military one of the most advanced in the world requires the target year of 2012, but it makes little difference if it happens earlier,&#8221; he said. </p></blockquote>
<p>Fine, let&#8217;s give him what he wants.  Full wartime control, now.  That should be interesting.</p>
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