UPDATED: President Roh speaks! You can read two Yonhap reports on President Roh’s thoughts on the operational command transfer issue—here’s one, and here’s the other. Here are the money shots:
- “South Korea is the only country which does not have wartime operational control of its troops in the world,” Roh said in an interview with Yonhap News Agency. “The world’s 11th biggest economy, also its sixth-biggest military power, does not have wartime control.”
- “The wartime operational control is the core of self-defense, and self-defense is the core of a self-reliant country,” he said. “When we have wartime control, we also can take the initiative in military talks with North Korea to ease tension and build up military confidence measures on the peninsula.”
- “Some say it is time that the U.S. should treat South Korea as a sovereign state. This will be able to make South Korea-U.S. relations develop in a rational and normal way,” he said, noting that the U.S. has made the decision to resolve the wartime control issue to prevent it from becoming a persistent problem in the alliance.
- “To make the military one of the most advanced in the world requires the target year of 2012, but it makes little difference if it happens earlier,” he said.
- “It’s most appropriate to fit it to the timing of (U.S. forces) moving into the Pyeongtaek base,” Roh said in an interview with Yonhap News Agency.
- “Our defense capability has been continuously strengthened,” Roh said. “Even if we get back the wartime operational control now, we can exercise it.”
- “We don’t have to worry too much. U.S. troops will be continuously stationed (here) and the number does not have any decisive meaning. The quality-based capacity is important,” he said.
- “There is nothing wrong and our national security is perfect. The South Korean military’s capability is sufficient and the Korea-U.S. alliance will not be shaken,” Roh said.
There you have it.
ORIGINAL POST: This is now giving me a headache.
A senior Pentagon official apparently told Yonhap that the United States would reduce its forces on the Korean Peninsula after it transfered wartime operational command to Korea.
The Korean Defense Ministry, however, said no USFK reductions were in the works. Instead of reductions, there would be a “realignment.”
Now today, you have Korean Vice Foreign Minister Yu Myung-hwan saying the transfer of operational command would not lead to a USFK withdrawal or reductions in U.S. forces deployed to the peninsula.
He also said he believed the U.S. official’s preferred date of transfer—2009—was proposed only symbolically as this would be the year the Yongsan Garrison would be transferred to Pyeongtaek and U.S. forces in Korea reduced from 37,500 to 25,000 men. The Korean side would prefer to assume operation command in 2012.
The date of the transfer appears to be a rather sensitive issue. The Chosun Ilbo, citing an unnamed source quoting an unnamed U.S. official (make of that what you will), seemed to suggest that the U.S. proposal to transfer command at an earlier date is the Pentagon’s way of giving Korea the bird:
The U.S. is playing tit-for-tat by offering to hand over wartime operational control of troops to Korea at what experts say is the unfeasibly early date of 2009-2010, a high-ranking official speculated Monday. Seoul aims at the “withdrawal” of wartime control of Korean troops, as it is officially termed, in six years’ time. “Perhaps this is a counterattack motivated by anger because [U.S. authorities] feel Korea is seeking the 2012 withdrawal for political reasons,” the official said.
A Korean source quoted a U.S. official as saying in recent bilateral discussions that Korea will not realistically be ready to exercise independent control of its forces even by 2012, but since that deadline appeared to be politically motivated, there was no reason for Washington to cling to military logic either.
Hey, no reason for us to take South Korea’s defense seriously if Seoul wants to play political games with its own security.
GI Korea, BTW, has an outstanding post on why the United States deserves the opportunity to leave South Korea with honor and how South Korean politicians seem to be working hard to prevent this. Read the post IN ITS ENTIRETY, but just to cite his conclusion:
[S]houldn’t liberation from the Japanese after World War II, 36,000 lives lost during the Korean War, and over 50 years of stability and economic development on the Korean peninsula provided by the United States be at least worth an honorable redeployment of US forces from the Korean peninsula? Is that asking too much?
Is that too much to ask? Well, I guess if you blame the U.S. for Japan taking over the peninsula in the first place (and don’t really acknowledge the U.S. role in liberation Korea at any rate), view U.S. participation in the Korean War as selfishly motivated by Cold War logic and, at the very least, the minimum price Washington should have paid for dividing the country (assuming for a moment you don’t view U.S. intervention itself as a crime that prolonged the war and prevented national reunification), and look at those 50 years of stability and economic development as a half-century of neocolonial exploitation at the hand of South Korean capitalists, military dictators and American imperialists *, I guess it probably would be too much to ask.
Luckily for both sides involved, these migraines will probably diminish—at least in the short term—after the South Korean presidential elections next year. The election results in 2007 may buy Seoul and Washington some time to transform the alliance in ways that take into account the changes in the capabilities and interests of the parties involved in an atmosphere of greater trust. But for that, we’ll just have to see.
* Just for the record, yes, this sums up the world view of some individuals and groups in South Korea, although I have no reason to believe the Roh administration as a whole subscribes to such views.


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I think another more likely idea is that the advanced turnover date on the US side is because they want to see movement on the issue – rather than the norm of signing agreements then putting them on the shelves until the dust bunnies eat them and they have to be redrawn again.
I think the US time table is the US saying, “We want you to assume control as we leave. We want you to start putting your money and effot into achieving this result now. This is the plan. Execute it.”
A 50 year alliance is unraveling faster than anyone anticipated due to silly politics and petty bickering. I would argue that both administrations on each side of the pond are to blame. It’s the stubborn arrogance of the Bush administration vs. the complete incompetence of the Roh administration. In this case, as in most others involving stupidity, the incompetence loses out and the arrogance of the Bush administration may even be justified.
The Koreans haven’t shown much gratitude for anything the US has ever done for them and Robert did an excellent job of explaining their disposition on how most of them feel about America. As long as the Korean government adheres to and encourages that public persona of the ROK-US relationship, then maybe they should try things on their own. Sure there have been bumps along the way but the ROK simply would not be the world power it is without all of the support and protection it’s received from the US. However, the ROK continues to teach in their schools that the US is mostly to blame for their country being divided and gives little or no credit at all to the US in assisting them become an economic power and free, stable, democratic country. What kind of partnership is that when you only bestow criticism on your greatest benefactor?
That big whooshing sound you hear is the millions of dollars in military aid, equipment, personnel and technical expertise leaving for Japan and Guam. The ROK will have to raise taxes to replace said equipment and expertise and extend their military service obligation to replace the personnel. Korean’s unemployment numbers will jump from the thousands of base workers suddenly out of work and the KOSPI/KOSDAQ will suffer from the uncertainty of a US withdraw.
I don’t see the US suffering much from a pullout but it will have drastic effects for the ROK in many sectors of it’s society. What’s ironic is I’m sure this is exactly what the Norks want. In their wildest wet dreams they probably never envisioned the end of the strong ROK-US alliance happening so quickly. Never before has a failed missile test caused such animosity amongst allies. You can bet the Hennessey is flowing in Pyongyang these days.
Yes, the arrogance is justified…let’s hope the incompetence is removed before 50 years of friendship and sacrifice is nullified over tit-for-tat politics. Nobody wants to see the ROK left in a vulnerable position but if they are not careful, it could happen. Say what you will about his many failures, but it’s not wise to play chicken with Dubya. Arrogance beats incompetence every time.
Well here’s a nice article about our crazy loon Roh:
Harming our national interest by alienating our allies with pointless remarks is not independence. If Korea truly wants independence, it needs people with the good sense of former German chancellor Helmut Kohl, who overcame resistance to his country’s unification from its neighbors by borrowing the strength of the U.S.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200608/200608070041.html
Learning to take a page out of Helmut Kohl’s playbook, smart idea.
Amen to that.
How do you equate these two ideas? If “the Koreans haven’t shown much gratitude for anything the US has ever done”, how can you describe the mutual relationship as “50 years of friendship and sacrifice”? These phrases only makes sense if the friendship and sacrifice are all on the part of the United States — but reverse the perspective and you’ve got 50 years of freeloading and backbiting. What’s the benefit in it from the Americans’ perspective? I understand that the security guarantee has allowed Korea to channel its resources elsewhere, but again, don’t Americans have a right to reassess things?
I don’t think there’s a “planned transfer”.
If South Korea wants a divided command in the event of war then they’ll have to submit a plan to the US for discussion. The US is not going to plan a transfer with dual commands and remain dedicated to war support without knowing how the Korean plan will effect the US operation/forces.
As I said earlier, U.S. frontline units (infantry, armor, etc.) will be out before such a “withdrawal” (read: command transfer) takes place. It would be unprecedented for significant quantities of U.S. troops to fight under a foreign commander (yes, Monty commanded 9th U.S. Army, but he was under Eisenhower himself). We’ll ensure air and naval superiority, but the ground fighting will have to be done by the local boys. We’ll all be hopefully NEO’d outta here before we see how long they last, what with years of the shoeshine policy sapping the will to fight their brothers.
“what with years of the shoeshine policy sapping the will to fight their brothers”
Now that is funny.
Clarification: I saw shoeshine policy on another thread today.
The Norks do NOT want the end of the SK-US “alliance.” They realize that the US will be a much more formidable adversary without the SK “allies” – who do nothing but offer NK an easy civilian target to retaliate against with conventional weapons (i.e. Seoul).
Even if US ground forces withdraw the South Korean government claims it expects US ground forces’ support in a war against North Korea – with separate commands?
How does the US prep? How do they train? What is the ROK plan and who is going to pay for the training exercises and the 15,000 troops stationed on Tinian, or wherever? How do we integrate into that parallel Korean command? It is NOT POSSIBLE.
The US will pull out, Kim-Jungil will step down, Korea will reunite, and then KOREA will blame the US for delaying reunification.
Maybe I’ve been here too long but…..In my opinion it is not a coincidence that ever since Kim Daejung visited North Korea we have been on a slow steady course towards USFK withdrawal = Korean unification. The ROK came to an agreement with Kim Jongil to step down from power if the South Koreans remove the US forces from South Korea.
The Chosun Daily had an a
The Chosun Daily had an article about the GNP seeking to kill the command splitting movement. I guess that will be a key sign in the future: when the GNP replaces Roh and Uri in the Blue House, and they seek to wipe away the command transfer agreements/process – we’ll have to see what the US does.
If the US pushes ahead with the transfer, or the new GNP administration comes out oddly in favor the the handover but begs to kick the can further down the road, I think we can conclude, much like with Yongsan to Pyongtaek, the US is seeking these changes come hell or high water, and that it wants them as a means to take some initial steps out of the country.
Why is the US pushing for the transfer despite the near certainty of the GNP getting in at the next election? It shows the US has realized the troop presence makes zero strategic sense, that the US is far stronger without SK. But the anti-Americanism of the Roh crowd gives the US an opportune excuse to pull out. This is why the US is hurrying to get everything rolling before the pro-Americans get back into office (and start holding Yankees Don’t Go Home demonstrations, as Park Chung Hee did).
USFK can go but leave all the toilets in place. This way the Korean Army will have some advanced technology to use in case of a national emergency.
montclaire: Why is the US pushing for the transfer despite the near certainty of the GNP getting in at the next election?
What makes you think the US is pushing for transfer? Who said that?
If they go, it will be trouble. If they stay it will be double.
Here’s another money quote from the Yonhap article:
Fine, let’s give him what he wants. Full wartime control, now. That should be interesting.
Let’s see–about 15 former defense ministers with decades of experience say don’t let Korea have wartime command at all; the current S.K. military leaders say don’t let it happen until 2012; but Roh “What, Me Worry?” Moohyun says bring it on today…hmm, who to believe….
Iceberg, there’s a commercial for KTF (I think) that has the Clash’s “Revolution Rock” playing on it, makes me laugh–talk about clueless advertisers.
I’m inclined to believe the 2009 transfer date was spoken through a poker face. I don’t think any serious plans for such are being formulated and the notion is being put forth simply to scare some MND folks back to reality and get them to pressure the Blue house. The next election though is going to be crucial (both SK and USA presidential ballots). If another shoeshiner takes over in Seoul and McCain or Giuliani takes over in the US, the alliance is over folks.
BTW, I am certain Rumsfeld had this whole scenario envisioned when he agreed to plans to move 2ID south and started holding talks to move USFK to Pyeongtaek. Is it any wonder that to this day no money has been set aside to move USFK although it is supposed to be complete by 2007? Write it down in your journals now: If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US.
Whether good or not, Americans need to overtly support South Koreans’ sense of national sovereignty (note the word “sense”). All things remaining equal, I think an exit from Korea is a bad move in the long run but things don’t remain equal and the cultural trend in South Korea is towards more anti-Americanism where simple American presence is viewed as hostile and invasive. Eventually, that perception will create an instability that will need to be mollified by an exit. Stability in a NE Asian region with a “progressive” South Korea will be achieved by increasing our ties to Japan and maintaining a form of detente with the nationalistic peninsula, whether it’s divided or not.
Oh yeah…I was gonna say this and forgot: A dual command set up during peacetime for a wartime scenario is worth a warm bucket of hamster vomit. Whatever they agree to now can be quickly reversed. Another “Pusan Letter” only takes 2 seconds to scratch down and sign by a suddenly enlightened ROK president.
“If McCain or Giuliani become president of the US and another progressive takes over the Blue House, South Korea will no longer be a military ally of the US.”
Unfortunately, the Democrats may take the US and fortunately, the Conservatives may take the Blue House, meaning the alliance will probably limp along for a good while yet.
McCain nor any godfather will ever become president..
secretary of state dr rice has a better chance those two.
Ghola, you’re nuts. Giuliani’s biggest fight would be at the Republican primary. If he takes it there’s not a democrat this side of Hooville who can take him.
you really think middle america is going to pick an italian american ? nothing against guiliani, but.. i doubt it.
besides, guiliani’s no presidential material.. are you kidding me.. that ‘ll be the day. who’s next.. alberto gonzalez… yeah right.
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