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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/02/its-not-red-baiting-if-you-really-are-a-bunch-of-commies/#comment-45502</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe not.  I was just trying to offer a plausible explanation of why the average North Korean looked like they'd been spending multiple days in the sun.  I was simply trying to analogize to South Korean farmers, who tend to be at least a shade or two darker than your average South Korean university student.  Anyhow, I don't claim to have any special medical knowledge as to why someone's skin might turn darker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not.  I was just trying to offer a plausible explanation of why the average North Korean looked like they&#8217;d been spending multiple days in the sun.  I was simply trying to analogize to South Korean farmers, who tend to be at least a shade or two darker than your average South Korean university student.  Anyhow, I don&#8217;t claim to have any special medical knowledge as to why someone&#8217;s skin might turn darker.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zonath, it's not sun tan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zonath, it&#8217;s not sun tan.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/02/its-not-red-baiting-if-you-really-are-a-bunch-of-commies/#comment-45459</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; gem in the Chosun Daily:
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200608/200608070033.html

Better watch out what you say about them, or the Teachers' Union might file civil and &lt;i&gt;criminal&lt;/i&gt; charges against you.  My favorite quote from the article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It denounced criticism from this paper as “a physical white-hot terror attack,”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow... I'm speechless. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw <i>this</i> gem in the Chosun Daily:<br />
<a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200608/200608070033.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....70033.html</a></p>
<p>Better watch out what you say about them, or the Teachers&#8217; Union might file civil and <i>criminal</i> charges against you.  My favorite quote from the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>It denounced criticism from this paper as “a physical white-hot terror attack,”</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow&#8230; I&#8217;m speechless. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/08/02/its-not-red-baiting-if-you-really-are-a-bunch-of-commies/#comment-45272</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this idea that the NK songun policy is good for ALL of Korea is like the &lt;b&gt;neighborhood pimp&lt;/b&gt; &lt;strike&gt;Korea’s Senior Cabinet Counselor Kwon Ho-ung&lt;/strike&gt;telling people in the neighborhood how he will protect the neighborhood from the bad people and will make the streets safe for their daughters to walk alone at night!

Who would then protect us from the pimp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this idea that the NK songun policy is good for ALL of Korea is like the <b>neighborhood pimp</b> <strike>Korea’s Senior Cabinet Counselor Kwon Ho-ung</strike>telling people in the neighborhood how he will protect the neighborhood from the bad people and will make the streets safe for their daughters to walk alone at night!</p>
<p>Who would then protect us from the pimp?</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Second, this is an initiative of the faction within the union that prioritizes peaceful unification, as the surest route to remedying the appalling conditions of life for too many in the north."

Peaceful unification? Maybe a peaceful unification with China in our lifetime. 

By 'understanding' their brethren and giving the fat dwarf plenty of support (ala sunshine) is not going to bring peaceful reunification closer. If anything, it will continue to kick the can farther and farther down the road, which is probably really what many (most?)people in SK actually want anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Second, this is an initiative of the faction within the union that prioritizes peaceful unification, as the surest route to remedying the appalling conditions of life for too many in the north.&#8221;</p>
<p>Peaceful unification? Maybe a peaceful unification with China in our lifetime. </p>
<p>By &#8216;understanding&#8217; their brethren and giving the fat dwarf plenty of support (ala sunshine) is not going to bring peaceful reunification closer. If anything, it will continue to kick the can farther and farther down the road, which is probably really what many (most?)people in SK actually want anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Koreans say that Koreans turn to a more darker complexion, when they are malnutritioned. Look at the faces and exterior skins of these North Koreans. Except for a few exceptions where a woman is old and pale, and a healthy sports champ man competeing in sporting games is shown for propaganda purposes, the common folk look much darker than their South Korean counterparts. I’ve yet to identify what medical explanation there is for this, but it is pretty clear that this phenomenon doesn’t show up on Kim Jong Il’s face.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Here's a plausible medical explanation:  Suntan.  These are people who probably walk just about everywhere and probably work in the fields for several hours a day.  Kim Jong-il's pasty face is probably a result of him spending 90% of the time inside or under sun shades carried by his subordinates.  He sure is fat, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Koreans say that Koreans turn to a more darker complexion, when they are malnutritioned. Look at the faces and exterior skins of these North Koreans. Except for a few exceptions where a woman is old and pale, and a healthy sports champ man competeing in sporting games is shown for propaganda purposes, the common folk look much darker than their South Korean counterparts. I’ve yet to identify what medical explanation there is for this, but it is pretty clear that this phenomenon doesn’t show up on Kim Jong Il’s face.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s a plausible medical explanation:  Suntan.  These are people who probably walk just about everywhere and probably work in the fields for several hours a day.  Kim Jong-il&#8217;s pasty face is probably a result of him spending 90% of the time inside or under sun shades carried by his subordinates.  He sure is fat, though.</p>
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		<title>By: trachys</title>
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		<dc:creator>trachys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Wjk, I share your sentiments. Every breath that Kim Jong Il draws is an affront to the good people who died fighting the tyranny of emperors. The fate of Ceausescu is too good for this wretched fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Wjk, I share your sentiments. Every breath that Kim Jong Il draws is an affront to the good people who died fighting the tyranny of emperors. The fate of Ceausescu is too good for this wretched fuck.</p>
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		<title>By: trachys</title>
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		<dc:creator>trachys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iwshim, surely you jest - the KFTA is NOT a union, and rarely pretends to be. HOWEVER, they too have been known to cavort with the enemy: see their "6.15 Reunification Class": http://english.kfta.or.kr/board/news/view.asp?bName=eng_news&#38;s_div=a&#38;num=70 

oh my, it looks like they've recently scrubbed the page! which only shows their commitment to ... something. not sure what.

Rick, this "art form" reached its pinnacle circa. 1955, if not earlier: http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/artgallery/soviet_exhibition.html

Robert: I confess I haven't spoken with anyone in the Seoul office. They claim (linked below) that they uploaded the images with the intent to show kids that people in the north aren't all backward peasants, and that it IS possible to seek reconciliation without rending the fabric of society. A noble goal, wouldn't you agree? They also argue that the same posters can be found in school textbooks here. I somehow doubt that these textbooks engage in overt mihwa!

look here:
http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&#38;office_id=124&#38;article_id=0000016016&#38;section_id=102&#38;menu_id=102

and here:
http://www.segye.com/Service5/ShellView.asp?TreeID=1052&#38;Pcode=0004&#38;DataID=200608011209001542 

It seems to me that with so much propaganda painting people in the north as freaks/troglodytes, a LITTLE counter-propaganda should be welcomed.  

And what IS this obsession with "commies"? Was Connecticut targeted by some heinous Soviet plot that I'm not aware of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iwshim, surely you jest - the KFTA is NOT a union, and rarely pretends to be. HOWEVER, they too have been known to cavort with the enemy: see their &#8220;6.15 Reunification Class&#8221;: <a href="http://english.kfta.or.kr/board/news/view.asp?bName=eng_news&amp;s_div=a&amp;num=70" rel="nofollow">http://english.kfta.or.kr/boar.....amp;num=70</a> </p>
<p>oh my, it looks like they&#8217;ve recently scrubbed the page! which only shows their commitment to &#8230; something. not sure what.</p>
<p>Rick, this &#8220;art form&#8221; reached its pinnacle circa. 1955, if not earlier: <a href="http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/artgallery/soviet_exhibition.html" rel="nofollow">http://writing.upenn.edu/wh/ar.....ition.html</a></p>
<p>Robert: I confess I haven&#8217;t spoken with anyone in the Seoul office. They claim (linked below) that they uploaded the images with the intent to show kids that people in the north aren&#8217;t all backward peasants, and that it IS possible to seek reconciliation without rending the fabric of society. A noble goal, wouldn&#8217;t you agree? They also argue that the same posters can be found in school textbooks here. I somehow doubt that these textbooks engage in overt mihwa!</p>
<p>look here:<br />
<a href="http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&amp;office_id=124&amp;article_id=0000016016&amp;section_id=102&amp;menu_id=102" rel="nofollow">http://news.naver.com/news/rea.....enu_id=102</a></p>
<p>and here:<br />
<a href="http://www.segye.com/Service5/ShellView.asp?TreeID=1052&amp;Pcode=0004&amp;DataID=200608011209001542" rel="nofollow">http://www.segye.com/Service5/.....1209001542</a> </p>
<p>It seems to me that with so much propaganda painting people in the north as freaks/troglodytes, a LITTLE counter-propaganda should be welcomed.  </p>
<p>And what IS this obsession with &#8220;commies&#8221;? Was Connecticut targeted by some heinous Soviet plot that I&#8217;m not aware of?</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe I also saw a video link from the Marmot's site, where North Koreans even save the shit that prisoners lay, so that those could be used for fertilzer or heating fuel.  So, they even collect the crap that prisoners lay.  

I can't imagine it's a lot, because if you don't eat, there's not much coming out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I also saw a video link from the Marmot&#8217;s site, where North Koreans even save the shit that prisoners lay, so that those could be used for fertilzer or heating fuel.  So, they even collect the crap that prisoners lay.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine it&#8217;s a lot, because if you don&#8217;t eat, there&#8217;s not much coming out.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Marmot's link, http://seoul.eduhope.net/bbs/view.php?board=seoul-830&#38;id=193

I want to point out something that may not be obvious from first looking at these photos.

I once went to a meeting held by someone who provides aid to North Korea.

She said that photo-ops of classrooms with "computers" is very common.  Except, sadly for the North Korean kids, electricity is scarce.  So scarce and valuable, that they can't be really wasted on running computers, even for educational purposes.  Check out the Marmot's link.  Most of the screens are OFF !  There's only like one screen lit up and working.  How sad it is to have kids intently staring at blank screens like they're doing something for a PHOTO-OP.  I'd strangle Kim Jong Il myself, if I could.

Koreans say that Koreans turn to a more darker complexion, when they are malnutritioned.  Look at the faces and exterior skins of these North Koreans.  Except for a few exceptions where a woman is old and pale, and a healthy sports champ man competeing in sporting games is shown for propaganda purposes, the common folk look much darker than their South Korean counterparts.  I've yet to identify what medical explanation there is for this, but it is pretty clear that this phenomenon doesn't show up on Kim Jong Il's face.  Again, I'd make him eat his own shit at gunpoint, if I could.  It is very clear, very sadly, even for propaganda pics, these people have nothing to eat and a no electricity.

The aid provider also said that once you leave Pyong Yang, and look at people's houses from the train in winter time, you'll notice that none of these houses have any smoke coming out of their chimneys.  Meaning, they don't have heating fuel, too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Eastasia_lights.jpg  

This photo says a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Marmot&#8217;s link, <a href="http://seoul.eduhope.net/bbs/view.php?board=seoul-830&amp;id=193" rel="nofollow">http://seoul.eduhope.net/bbs/v.....amp;id=193</a></p>
<p>I want to point out something that may not be obvious from first looking at these photos.</p>
<p>I once went to a meeting held by someone who provides aid to North Korea.</p>
<p>She said that photo-ops of classrooms with &#8220;computers&#8221; is very common.  Except, sadly for the North Korean kids, electricity is scarce.  So scarce and valuable, that they can&#8217;t be really wasted on running computers, even for educational purposes.  Check out the Marmot&#8217;s link.  Most of the screens are OFF !  There&#8217;s only like one screen lit up and working.  How sad it is to have kids intently staring at blank screens like they&#8217;re doing something for a PHOTO-OP.  I&#8217;d strangle Kim Jong Il myself, if I could.</p>
<p>Koreans say that Koreans turn to a more darker complexion, when they are malnutritioned.  Look at the faces and exterior skins of these North Koreans.  Except for a few exceptions where a woman is old and pale, and a healthy sports champ man competeing in sporting games is shown for propaganda purposes, the common folk look much darker than their South Korean counterparts.  I&#8217;ve yet to identify what medical explanation there is for this, but it is pretty clear that this phenomenon doesn&#8217;t show up on Kim Jong Il&#8217;s face.  Again, I&#8217;d make him eat his own shit at gunpoint, if I could.  It is very clear, very sadly, even for propaganda pics, these people have nothing to eat and a no electricity.</p>
<p>The aid provider also said that once you leave Pyong Yang, and look at people&#8217;s houses from the train in winter time, you&#8217;ll notice that none of these houses have any smoke coming out of their chimneys.  Meaning, they don&#8217;t have heating fuel, too.</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Eastasia_lights.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....lights.jpg</a>  </p>
<p>This photo says a lot.</p>
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