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	<title>Comments on: Old British map shows Gando was Korean territory</title>
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		<title>By: Two Cents</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/25/old-british-map-shows-gando-was-korean-territory/#comment-44307</link>
		<dc:creator>Two Cents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StKY,
The name Sea of Japan came into popular usage in the ealy 19th century, way before Japan had any say in such matters.
Probably, that was when the last region left uncolonized by western powers, Northeast Asia, came into the spotlight. I can only guess that for them, Japan had a stronger impression than Korea.

I haven't seen any Japanese literature before the 19th century that use the name "Nihonkai," although I've seen the names Hokkai (North Sea) and Chosenkai (The Sea of Chosun) used in some.

And as for whether 3rd-generation Korean Americans are Koreans or Americans, it all depend on citizenship, does it not? I think many Koreans confuse the modern concept of citizenship with ancestry. Thus, you have 3rd-generation Koreans in Japan who are indeed Koreans, because they have not completed the paperworks required to obtain Japanese citizenship. (Some sadly refuse to do so, saying they don't want to be assimilated into the Japanese, while demanding equal rights.) I believe US citizenship is given automatically to anyone born there, so I guess there are no 3rd-generation Koreans (citizenship-wise) in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StKY,<br />
The name Sea of Japan came into popular usage in the ealy 19th century, way before Japan had any say in such matters.<br />
Probably, that was when the last region left uncolonized by western powers, Northeast Asia, came into the spotlight. I can only guess that for them, Japan had a stronger impression than Korea.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any Japanese literature before the 19th century that use the name &#8220;Nihonkai,&#8221; although I&#8217;ve seen the names Hokkai (North Sea) and Chosenkai (The Sea of Chosun) used in some.</p>
<p>And as for whether 3rd-generation Korean Americans are Koreans or Americans, it all depend on citizenship, does it not? I think many Koreans confuse the modern concept of citizenship with ancestry. Thus, you have 3rd-generation Koreans in Japan who are indeed Koreans, because they have not completed the paperworks required to obtain Japanese citizenship. (Some sadly refuse to do so, saying they don&#8217;t want to be assimilated into the Japanese, while demanding equal rights.) I believe US citizenship is given automatically to anyone born there, so I guess there are no 3rd-generation Koreans (citizenship-wise) in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. can't write it in kanji :( ko-izumi is where it breaks :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. can&#8217;t write it in kanji <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> ko-izumi is where it breaks <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about KoizUMI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about KoizUMI?</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/25/old-british-map-shows-gando-was-korean-territory/#comment-44281</link>
		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d like to call it the Koizumi Sea or the Gulf of Takeshima, whichever pisses off VANK the most&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Slim, you just made my day.  I had a crappy day at school today, and you made me laugh. Thank you oh so very much.  Some kind of metaphor with the waves of the Koizumi Sea/Gulf of Takeshima referring to the waves in Koizumi's hair would be perfect, but I am nothing of the literary genius that could work that in some how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d like to call it the Koizumi Sea or the Gulf of Takeshima, whichever pisses off VANK the most</p></blockquote>
<p>Slim, you just made my day.  I had a crappy day at school today, and you made me laugh. Thank you oh so very much.  Some kind of metaphor with the waves of the Koizumi Sea/Gulf of Takeshima referring to the waves in Koizumi&#8217;s hair would be perfect, but I am nothing of the literary genius that could work that in some how.</p>
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		<title>By: mcnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>koreans are loons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>koreans are loons</p>
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		<title>By: Lankov</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/25/old-british-map-shows-gando-was-korean-territory/#comment-44243</link>
		<dc:creator>Lankov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The other day I had some middle school students tell me Japan wants to invade Korea again."

The problem is that I had some people in position of power who were saying the same b*llshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other day I had some middle school students tell me Japan wants to invade Korea again.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that I had some people in position of power who were saying the same b*llshit.</p>
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		<title>By: The_William_G</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_William_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I had some middle school students tell me Japan wants to invade Korea again.

I was like, "Why? It'll cost them more to invade than it will to buy Korea's only exports of kimchi and BoA outright."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I had some middle school students tell me Japan wants to invade Korea again.</p>
<p>I was like, &#8220;Why? It&#8217;ll cost them more to invade than it will to buy Korea&#8217;s only exports of kimchi and BoA outright.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Won Joon Choe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Won Joon Choe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing escapes "Sonagi" nang-ja!

In all seriousness, some of those revisionist maps would make Korea larger than it was during the height of Koguryo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing escapes &#8220;Sonagi&#8221; nang-ja!</p>
<p>In all seriousness, some of those revisionist maps would make Korea larger than it was during the height of Koguryo!</p>
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		<title>By: StKY</title>
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		<dc:creator>StKY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I say:

You win a war, you get to name things. period. I don't care about "old" maps and their naming conventions. Since that map was made the Japs conquered the whole region and got to change names into what they are today. done.

And furthermore, these old maps of the Qorean penninsula just go to prove what I have said all along. The whole region is just a bunch of Chinamen anyway.

If the Qoreans can claim 2nd + 3rd generation Qorean-Americans (who for the most part can't speak Qoreanese)are still "Qorean" (ie. Any Qorean-American in the LPGA)then I can call all of them Chinamen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I say:</p>
<p>You win a war, you get to name things. period. I don&#8217;t care about &#8220;old&#8221; maps and their naming conventions. Since that map was made the Japs conquered the whole region and got to change names into what they are today. done.</p>
<p>And furthermore, these old maps of the Qorean penninsula just go to prove what I have said all along. The whole region is just a bunch of Chinamen anyway.</p>
<p>If the Qoreans can claim 2nd + 3rd generation Qorean-Americans (who for the most part can&#8217;t speak Qoreanese)are still &#8220;Qorean&#8221; (ie. Any Qorean-American in the LPGA)then I can call all of them Chinamen.</p>
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		<title>By: huey222</title>
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		<dc:creator>huey222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time reader, first time poster...

For me, the problem with trying to prove the 'true' name of the body of water between Korea and Japan based on old maps is this...

I can find maps that say the world was flat.  Does that mean that the world is flat?  NOPE!

Perhaps the easiest solution is to do what they did with the 2002 Korea/Japan World Cup... share the name.

I think I could get used to, 'the sea of Korea/Japan'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time reader, first time poster&#8230;</p>
<p>For me, the problem with trying to prove the &#8216;true&#8217; name of the body of water between Korea and Japan based on old maps is this&#8230;</p>
<p>I can find maps that say the world was flat.  Does that mean that the world is flat?  NOPE!</p>
<p>Perhaps the easiest solution is to do what they did with the 2002 Korea/Japan World Cup&#8230; share the name.</p>
<p>I think I could get used to, &#8216;the sea of Korea/Japan&#8217;</p>
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