Bastards waited until I was asleep

As Joseph has already posted, North Korea has finally decided to let some missiles loose, although nobody is quite sure which missiles were fired and in what quantity. The smart money seems at the moment to be on two medium-range Rodong missiles and a long-range Taepodong-2 that failed shortly after lift-off.

The latest Yonhap News report does what Yonhap does best—quote foreign news sources. So if you came here looking for some particular Korean insight into the night’s events, you’ll have to wait.

What is interesting, however, is that Yonhap believes the U.S. and Japan will coordinate on a response. South Korea doesn’t appear to be factoring into the discussion. At least not yet. Yonhap does, however, quote an unnamed South Korean official as saying it didn’t appear any of the tested missiles were ICBMs.

I’ll keep updating this post on the off chance something actually interesting gets said later.

UPDATE: Funny stuff via the Hankyoreh. Seems the U.S. government believes five missiles were launched, while a high-ranking South Korean intelligence official told the paper 10 were launched. The 10 included Scud, Rodong and Taepodong missiles launched at time intervals, something North Korea can apparently do because all its missile bases are interconnected. He noted that when signs appeared that North Korea was preparing to test a Taepodong 2, similar launch signs were noticed at Rodong and Scud bases as well.

Another South Korean intelligence source, however, told the Hani three missiles were tested—two Rodong and a Taepodong 2. So, while it might be difficult at this stage to reach any conclusion about the tested missiles, I think we can glean from the intel so far that NIS may have an office pool going on the question.

UPDATE 2: A senior State Department official, apparently in a moment in levity, told the WaPo that North Korea’s missile tests would have a “big effect on South Korean public opinion” and embarrass China. Dan Drezner probably has a better grasp on things:

I suspect that the South Koreans — who have been in denial about North Korea for some time — will find a way to rationalize the DPRK’s behavior, and that the Chinese won’t be that perturbed.

I guess it could go either way. The test probably won’t win North Korea any friends in the South, but at the same time, those who’ve already made up their minds about whom to blame will shift the responsibility onto Washington for “creating the situation” by refusing to bend over for Pyongyang, and they’ll respond to the tests by calling on Washington to surrender hold urgent direct talks with the North Koreans.

UPDATE 3: President Roh’s foreign policy advisor just explained that North Korea lauched a Taepodong 2 missile from a base in Taepo-dong, Hwadae-gun, Hamkyongbuk-do at 5:00 a.m. and several “Scud and Rodong-level missiles” from a base in Kitdaeryong, Anbyon-gun, K(G)angwon-do starting from 3:32 a.m. He said the government believes six missiles in total were fired—one Taepodong 2 and five Scud/Rodong missiles. He also said the government believed the Taepodong 2 failed after launch. As Sperwer points out, it’s interesting that the Taepodong 2 was launched from a base other than the one that has been under intense watch over the last couple of weeks.

Oh, those crafty North Koreans…

UPDATE 4: The Oranckay says that the morning’s missile launches will force South Korean society rightward and make it tougher for Roh or anyone to be as understanding with Pyongyang:

Please note, just for the record, I’m not saying the South is going to take strong action. But it has been talking about doing something and if nothing else this will be the final, ultimate indication of how far the South is willing to go to put up with the North’s shenanigans. CNN’s Mike Chinoy says “some observers” suggest Roh Moo Hyun might feel compelled to redouble efforts to appease Pyongyang, but he’s just saying that because he has fallen victim to the general disinformation campaign against Roh that goes on daily on English blogs and news sites. Mark my words, the events of this morning are going to further contribute to South Korean society’s turn towards old-style South Korean conservatism and make it hard for any South Korean government to bend over backwards to be as understanding as possible with Pyongyang, regardless of what Roh or anyone else may want to do.

As I mentioned above, the political effects of the launch in South Korea have yet to be seen, and I think they could go either way.

UPDATE 5: You know, assuming for a moment the Taepodong 2 failed after lift-off, I think we should count ourselves fortunate it dropped into the East Sea.  Had it failed a bit later, I assume it could have landed and/or rained missile parts down on Japan, in which case things could have gotten really interesting.

23 Comments

  1. Posted July 5, 2006 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    The US squeaks this victory out on penalty kicks, I guess. Since TMD still has not succeeded, this Taepo-dong-2 test failure and the shuttle launch give Washington some clout. Still, the accent is on diplomacy and political repercussions, not military ones. I wonder how many times Pyongyang will do this before they realize, that all it does is elect conservatives in ROK and Japan. ASeoul is technically right, because most of the successful missiles were No-dongs (scuds) Pyongyang probably launched out of embarassment and frustration with no intent actually to hit something.

  2. froggg your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Robert, the title of this blog posting is so funny. I laughed so hard. “Bastards waited until I was asleep”. hahaha. Thank you, Robert.

  3. Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Well, if you can’t laugh about North Korean missile tests, what can you laugh at?

  4. Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Five Ro-dong launches were done to confuse American satellite tracking system that can see the location of the fire from infrared sensors.

    The main event, Daepodong, was shot after this camoflage. However, US satellite tracking system followed all six tragictories and successfully “intercepted” the correct target.

    The exact nature of interception is, I am sure, top secret. I suspect X-ray of some kind (all that money sunk into the StarWar system must have produced something!).

    Congratulation, America! The home of the Brave!!! And, the most innovative.

    God Bless America!

  5. Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Kim Jongil shot that junk on 4th of July to mar the Independence day celebration.

    The result was quite the contrary. The US successfully intercepted the garbage shot by Commies. A touchdown!!!! A nice 4th of July celebration!!!

    America is on the roll. The only country that can shoot down a missle by using a satellite X-ray laser.

    God bless America!!!!

  6. Wedge your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    So, how do you know about this satellite X-ray laser? That’s supposed to be top secret, uhhh, if one actually existed.

    Time for the Diet to vote on some new defense programs.

  7. Posted July 5, 2006 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Satellite-tracking is a far cry from shooting a missile down, especially when in tests the target is fitted with a GPS device. Pyongyang has to start destroying defenseless Pacific atolls before it gains real credibility! Too bad it can’t just buy one for the occasion!

  8. tmc1233 your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    But! But! Noh Moo-hyeon said that despite the intelligence from the evil US and the Japanese reactionaries, there were not going to be any launches!

    Ready to follow up on cutting off the (Blowing) Sunshine (Up Everyone’s Ass) Policy, Noh?

  9. Posted July 5, 2006 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    The most interesting thing in the story so far is that, as reported by CNN:

    Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

  10. Zonath your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    I suspect X-ray of some kind

    Oh yeah… Because we all know what a great weapon an x-ray can be. After all, if I’m going to try to kill something, I want most of the energy I direct at it to completely pass through it.

  11. tmc1233 your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Uh-oh. the VANKers are not going to like this article– http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....50001.html

    [quote]Four involved short to medium range missiles that landed in the Sea of Japan.[/quote]

  12. Posted July 5, 2006 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I’m dying to hear what Roh has to say about this. After saying last week that it was probably just a satelite being launched, this must be an embarrassment for the government here…it goes to show that SK thinks the best way of dealing with NK is to turn a blind eye.

    Drezner’s comment “I suspect that the South Koreans — who have been in denial about North Korea for some time — will find a way to rationalize the DPRK’s behavior…” is right on the mark, and I am sure that Roh is putting the spin on it as we speak.

  13. Posted July 5, 2006 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Man the news coverage cut 5 minutes out of the Italian game. I thought it was going to go into penalties. why weren’t you up watching the game. They launched in overtime. Sneaky…

  14. Posted July 5, 2006 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Sperwer:

    Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

    This is a part of the fact, that a sequence or barrage of No-dongs and the Taepo-dong 2 were launched. If pre-meditated, this is a very sophsticated response by Pyongyang. Eve if it is a improvisation meant to hide the Taepo-dong-2 failure, Pyongyang can still gain diplomatic advantage from the debate over the reliability of various countries’ respective intelligence services that will no doubt ensue.

  15. Posted July 5, 2006 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    “but at the same time, those who’ve already made up their minds about whom to blame will shift the responsibility onto Washington for “creating the situation” by refusing to bend over for Pyongyang,”

    You mean like —- guest bloggers?

  16. Posted July 5, 2006 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    For the record, I have never advocated direct talks. I believe America should return to a policy of point containment and defensive realism, and abandon pre-emption, TMD, and democratization. I’m also a big fan of Mahan, and that Mackinder was wrong. The US needs to return to its early 20th century emphasis on sea lanes and bases and shor up its hemisphere again, this time with an eye on energy security and space exploration. The world is an ugly place, especially when there are leaders with pretty moral thoughts in their heads guarding the henhouse. North Korea is just a punishment for being wrong.

  17. Posted July 5, 2006 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Sperwer:

    Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

    Infidel:

    This is a part of the fact, that a sequence or barrage of No-dongs and the Taepo-dong 2 were launched. If pre-meditated, this is a very sophsticated response by Pyongyang. Eve if it is a improvisation meant to hide the Taepo-dong-2 failure, Pyongyang can still gain diplomatic advantage from the debate over the reliability of various countries’ respective intelligence services that will no doubt ensue.

    Yeah, I figured that out on my lonesome. But, like the lauch itself, it seems like another miscalculation by the NORKS. It’s more indicative, I think, of the propensity of the NORKS increasingly to act in ways that are deliberately and outrageously provocative than it is of intelligence failure. Thus it is (I certainly hope) going to make it easier in the future for the US and others to take various sorts of pre-emptive actions — such as searches and seizures at sea — short of a preemptive attack on NORK homeland facilities. After all, if you accept that the NORKS are rational actors, which is certainly the PC position nowadays,and is absolutely true at least in an narrowly instrumentalist sense, there really isn’t going to be a need for the latter sort of pre-emption, because they know if they unleash any sort of serious attack it will result in the spirit of Curtis LeMay coming back and finishing the job started in 50-53 of returning North Korea to the stone age or earlier.

  18. Shenzhen Whitey your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Drezner is right.

    Sorry for being ign’t, but who is Curtis LeMay?

  19. MrChips your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Curtis LeMay was the Air Force Chief of Staff during the early part of the Vietnam War and led the campaign to carpet bomb the vietcong trails in western Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. He was also biting at the bit throughout to “roll the carpeting” into North Vietnam, something Johnson and Nixon were never willing to fully embrace.

    I don’t think he had much to do with the tactical planning in the Korean War since he was head of SRATCOM throughout that period, however, when MacArthur submitted his loony plan of nuking 25 Chinese and North Korean cities to Truman (after the former’s ousting) LeMay indicated that toned down versions of that along the NK/Chinese border should be considered. Anyhoo, he is the architect of strategic bomb planning.

    Interesting side note, I believe he was the vice-presidential candidate along with George Wallace who ran as independent back in ‘68.

  20. Shenzhen Whitey your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the info, MrChips.

  21. Shenzhen Whitey your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Marmot’s updates come under each previous update, while Steinberg’s go on top of each of his previous updates. Is the no ‘Marmot’s Hole’ Stylebook?

  22. Posted July 5, 2006 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Curtis LeMay’s credentials go much farther back. He was the original moving force behind strategic bombing and planned the carpet bombing that incinerated big parts of Europe and especially Japan in WWII. His doctrine was what was applied against the NORKS.

  23. MrChips your flag
    Posted July 5, 2006 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    see, there you go…

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