Comments on: Bastards waited until I was asleep http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:58:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Left Flank » Blog Archive » Rockets Up In Smoke http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-45034 Left Flank » Blog Archive » Rockets Up In Smoke Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:44:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-45034 [...] Marmot might take this opportunity to ridicule any call for direct talks, but the Bush administration has to answer sometime why it cannot stop nuclear proliferation, it’s avowed aim, and previously-supportive governments from jumping ship. Militarily, TMD, by encouraging the sort of conventional tactical thinking that nuclear deterrence invaidates, only makes Washington look aggressive and encourages governments to balance against Washington. [...] [...] Marmot might take this opportunity to ridicule any call for direct talks, but the Bush administration has to answer sometime why it cannot stop nuclear proliferation, it’s avowed aim, and previously-supportive governments from jumping ship. Militarily, TMD, by encouraging the sort of conventional tactical thinking that nuclear deterrence invaidates, only makes Washington look aggressive and encourages governments to balance against Washington. [...]

]]> By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42396 MrChips Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:26:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42396 see, there you go... see, there you go…

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42390 Sperwer Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:03:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42390 Curtis LeMay's credentials go much farther back. He was the original moving force behind strategic bombing and planned the carpet bombing that incinerated big parts of Europe and especially Japan in WWII. His doctrine was what was applied against the NORKS. Curtis LeMay’s credentials go much farther back. He was the original moving force behind strategic bombing and planned the carpet bombing that incinerated big parts of Europe and especially Japan in WWII. His doctrine was what was applied against the NORKS.

]]> By: Shenzhen Whitey http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42388 Shenzhen Whitey Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:59:09 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42388 Oh, and Marmot's updates come under each previous update, while Steinberg's go on top of each of his previous updates. Is the no 'Marmot's Hole' Stylebook? Oh, and Marmot’s updates come under each previous update, while Steinberg’s go on top of each of his previous updates. Is the no ‘Marmot’s Hole’ Stylebook?

]]> By: Shenzhen Whitey http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42377 Shenzhen Whitey Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:36:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42377 Thanks for the info, MrChips. Thanks for the info, MrChips.

]]> By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42372 MrChips Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:04:05 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42372 Curtis LeMay was the Air Force Chief of Staff during the early part of the Vietnam War and led the campaign to carpet bomb the vietcong trails in western Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. He was also biting at the bit throughout to "roll the carpeting" into North Vietnam, something Johnson and Nixon were never willing to fully embrace. I don't think he had much to do with the tactical planning in the Korean War since he was head of SRATCOM throughout that period, however, when MacArthur submitted his loony plan of nuking 25 Chinese and North Korean cities to Truman (after the former's ousting) LeMay indicated that toned down versions of that along the NK/Chinese border should be considered. Anyhoo, he is the architect of strategic bomb planning. Interesting side note, I believe he was the vice-presidential candidate along with George Wallace who ran as independent back in '68. Curtis LeMay was the Air Force Chief of Staff during the early part of the Vietnam War and led the campaign to carpet bomb the vietcong trails in western Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. He was also biting at the bit throughout to “roll the carpeting” into North Vietnam, something Johnson and Nixon were never willing to fully embrace.

I don’t think he had much to do with the tactical planning in the Korean War since he was head of SRATCOM throughout that period, however, when MacArthur submitted his loony plan of nuking 25 Chinese and North Korean cities to Truman (after the former’s ousting) LeMay indicated that toned down versions of that along the NK/Chinese border should be considered. Anyhoo, he is the architect of strategic bomb planning.

Interesting side note, I believe he was the vice-presidential candidate along with George Wallace who ran as independent back in ‘68.

]]> By: Shenzhen Whitey http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42367 Shenzhen Whitey Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:18:35 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42367 Drezner is right. Sorry for being ign't, but who is Curtis LeMay? Drezner is right.

Sorry for being ign’t, but who is Curtis LeMay?

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42364 Sperwer Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:11:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42364 <blockquote>Sperwer: Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said. Infidel: This is a part of the fact, that a sequence or barrage of No-dongs and the Taepo-dong 2 were launched. If pre-meditated, this is a very sophsticated response by Pyongyang. Eve if it is a improvisation meant to hide the Taepo-dong-2 failure, Pyongyang can still gain diplomatic advantage from the debate over the reliability of various countries’ respective intelligence services that will no doubt ensue. </blockquote> Yeah, I figured that out on my lonesome. But, like the lauch itself, it seems like another miscalculation by the NORKS. It's more indicative, I think, of the propensity of the NORKS increasingly to act in ways that are deliberately and outrageously provocative than it is of intelligence failure. Thus it is (I certainly hope) going to make it easier in the future for the US and others to take various sorts of pre-emptive actions -- such as searches and seizures at sea -- short of a preemptive attack on NORK homeland facilities. After all, if you accept that the NORKS are rational actors, which is certainly the PC position nowadays,and is absolutely true at least in an narrowly instrumentalist sense, there really isn't going to be a need for the latter sort of pre-emption, because they know if they unleash any sort of serious attack it will result in the spirit of Curtis LeMay coming back and finishing the job started in 50-53 of returning North Korea to the stone age or earlier.

Sperwer:

Both missiles were launched from a site other than the one intelligence officials have watched for weeks ahead of the long-range missile test, a senior State Department official said.

Infidel:

This is a part of the fact, that a sequence or barrage of No-dongs and the Taepo-dong 2 were launched. If pre-meditated, this is a very sophsticated response by Pyongyang. Eve if it is a improvisation meant to hide the Taepo-dong-2 failure, Pyongyang can still gain diplomatic advantage from the debate over the reliability of various countries’ respective intelligence services that will no doubt ensue.

Yeah, I figured that out on my lonesome. But, like the lauch itself, it seems like another miscalculation by the NORKS. It’s more indicative, I think, of the propensity of the NORKS increasingly to act in ways that are deliberately and outrageously provocative than it is of intelligence failure. Thus it is (I certainly hope) going to make it easier in the future for the US and others to take various sorts of pre-emptive actions — such as searches and seizures at sea — short of a preemptive attack on NORK homeland facilities. After all, if you accept that the NORKS are rational actors, which is certainly the PC position nowadays,and is absolutely true at least in an narrowly instrumentalist sense, there really isn’t going to be a need for the latter sort of pre-emption, because they know if they unleash any sort of serious attack it will result in the spirit of Curtis LeMay coming back and finishing the job started in 50-53 of returning North Korea to the stone age or earlier.

]]> By: Joseph Steinberg http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42350 Joseph Steinberg Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:37:10 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42350 For the record, I have never advocated direct talks. I believe America should return to a policy of point containment and defensive realism, and abandon pre-emption, TMD, and democratization. I'm also a big fan of Mahan, and that Mackinder was wrong. The US needs to return to its early 20th century emphasis on sea lanes and bases and shor up its hemisphere again, this time with an eye on energy security and space exploration. The world is an ugly place, especially when there are leaders with pretty moral thoughts in their heads guarding the henhouse. North Korea is just a punishment for being wrong. For the record, I have never advocated direct talks. I believe America should return to a policy of point containment and defensive realism, and abandon pre-emption, TMD, and democratization. I’m also a big fan of Mahan, and that Mackinder was wrong. The US needs to return to its early 20th century emphasis on sea lanes and bases and shor up its hemisphere again, this time with an eye on energy security and space exploration. The world is an ugly place, especially when there are leaders with pretty moral thoughts in their heads guarding the henhouse. North Korea is just a punishment for being wrong.

]]> By: usinkorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42343 usinkorea Wed, 05 Jul 2006 05:01:20 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/05/bastards-waited-until-i-was-asleep/#comment-42343 "but at the same time, those who’ve already made up their minds about whom to blame will shift the responsibility onto Washington for “creating the situation” by refusing to bend over for Pyongyang," You mean like ---- guest bloggers? “but at the same time, those who’ve already made up their minds about whom to blame will shift the responsibility onto Washington for “creating the situation” by refusing to bend over for Pyongyang,”

You mean like —- guest bloggers?

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