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	<title>Comments on: Retro Slumming — NK-style: The New Stupid-fresh.</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; 그것 무슨 뜻 입니까?! or Play it again dongmu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/02/retro-slumming-%e2%80%94-nk-style-the-new-stupid-fresh/#comment-47695</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; 그것 무슨 뜻 입니까?! or Play it again dongmu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Despite the attempt of some to market things North Korean as being somehow fresh and unpolluted (eh?), being from the north is not seen as being a good thing, as per the observation of Kim Young Nam: &#8220;Our accent brands us as people who come from a place of poverty,&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Despite the attempt of some to market things North Korean as being somehow fresh and unpolluted (eh?), being from the north is not seen as being a good thing, as per the observation of Kim Young Nam: &#8220;Our accent brands us as people who come from a place of poverty,&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/02/retro-slumming-%e2%80%94-nk-style-the-new-stupid-fresh/#comment-47142</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheez, some people never seem to learn from history or think that they can somehow put a polish on a turd through revising the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheez, some people never seem to learn from history or think that they can somehow put a polish on a turd through revising the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/02/retro-slumming-%e2%80%94-nk-style-the-new-stupid-fresh/#comment-47133</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Found this one just too good to ignore:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_fe_st/hitler_eatery

Apprently, now India is making a name for itself in the 'strangely-themed bars' category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Found this one just too good to ignore:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_fe_st/hitler_eatery" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....ler_eatery</a></p>
<p>Apprently, now India is making a name for itself in the &#8217;strangely-themed bars&#8217; category.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Korean Gadgets and the &#8220;Do-it-yourself&#8221; Ethic</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/07/02/retro-slumming-%e2%80%94-nk-style-the-new-stupid-fresh/#comment-42756</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Korean Gadgets and the &#8220;Do-it-yourself&#8221; Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2006 06:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I found some other Korea tech that has nothing to do with Samsung or LG but it certainly has the edge over the chaebols when it comes to style. There are other Korean sites that demonstrate long-standing tradition of DIY &#8220;Do-it-yourself&#8221; thinking in Korea that I have found in many places, from the neighborhood adjoshi who actually repairs umbrellas to the hand-made recycling carts and sweet potato roasters that one can find out in the street everywhere in Korea. Though some try to peddle things North Korean as being cool (huh?), maybe there is a future entrepreneur that can harness this sort of DIY ethic as being the real Korean cool. How about fitting a video player inside one of those neat 55-gallon wood stoves that one can find out on the sidewalk during winter? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I found some other Korea tech that has nothing to do with Samsung or LG but it certainly has the edge over the chaebols when it comes to style. There are other Korean sites that demonstrate long-standing tradition of DIY &#8220;Do-it-yourself&#8221; thinking in Korea that I have found in many places, from the neighborhood adjoshi who actually repairs umbrellas to the hand-made recycling carts and sweet potato roasters that one can find out in the street everywhere in Korea. Though some try to peddle things North Korean as being cool (huh?), maybe there is a future entrepreneur that can harness this sort of DIY ethic as being the real Korean cool. How about fitting a video player inside one of those neat 55-gallon wood stoves that one can find out on the sidewalk during winter? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed the name of the bar in the article -- the "Pyongyang Moran".  Yep... probably a fitting description for the bar's patrons.  

Somehow, I never quite 'got' the whole nostalgia for the countryside thing.  Maybe I just never bought into the notion of clean country living, summer days down by the old fishin' hole, girls dressed in 'Daisy Duke' shorts...  Even if true, I'm pretty sure such things would be outweighed by waking up at the crack of dawn to put in hours of back-breaking labor until sunset, the poor personal hygeine, the short life-expectancy (what's so 'well-being' about country life?)  And of course, just like the whole 'Dukes of Hazzard' image of country life we have in America is a bunch of BS, so is the image in the South of the North being some sort of pastoral paradise.  North Korea was at one time one of the most heavily industrialized countries on the planet, with most of its people still working in factories (although they produce relatively little, given the energy and raw materials shortages).  On the other hand, I suppose if you really &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; to experience depression-era living, Korean-style, there would be no better place than North Korea.  Heck... &lt;i&gt;South&lt;/i&gt; Korea has an underdeveloped, undermodernized agricultural sector, too.  Why don't these people step out and see &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; sometime, if they have such a hankering for 'clean country living'?  I suppose it just wouldn't be the same without the smoke from all the factories (with absolutely &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; pollution controls) billowing about and adding a bit more mercury content to these peoples' already-addled brains.

Anyhow, at least this manifestation of South Korea's penchant for bad taste isn't likely to incite any Jewish groups to write angry letters like several other establishments (and commercials -- dancing Hitler with snack cake, anyone?) have.  On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people down at the local VFW that will have a word or two to say if they ever catch wind of it.  

I'm thinking of opening a bar here in America called 'Tojo's.'  We'll dress the male bartenders like Kamikaze and the female bartenders in hanbok.  (Just kidding! No firebombs, please!)  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed the name of the bar in the article &#8212; the &#8220;Pyongyang Moran&#8221;.  Yep&#8230; probably a fitting description for the bar&#8217;s patrons.  </p>
<p>Somehow, I never quite &#8216;got&#8217; the whole nostalgia for the countryside thing.  Maybe I just never bought into the notion of clean country living, summer days down by the old fishin&#8217; hole, girls dressed in &#8216;Daisy Duke&#8217; shorts&#8230;  Even if true, I&#8217;m pretty sure such things would be outweighed by waking up at the crack of dawn to put in hours of back-breaking labor until sunset, the poor personal hygeine, the short life-expectancy (what&#8217;s so &#8216;well-being&#8217; about country life?)  And of course, just like the whole &#8216;Dukes of Hazzard&#8217; image of country life we have in America is a bunch of BS, so is the image in the South of the North being some sort of pastoral paradise.  North Korea was at one time one of the most heavily industrialized countries on the planet, with most of its people still working in factories (although they produce relatively little, given the energy and raw materials shortages).  On the other hand, I suppose if you really <i>wanted</i> to experience depression-era living, Korean-style, there would be no better place than North Korea.  Heck&#8230; <i>South</i> Korea has an underdeveloped, undermodernized agricultural sector, too.  Why don&#8217;t these people step out and see <i>that</i> sometime, if they have such a hankering for &#8216;clean country living&#8217;?  I suppose it just wouldn&#8217;t be the same without the smoke from all the factories (with absolutely <i>no</i> pollution controls) billowing about and adding a bit more mercury content to these peoples&#8217; already-addled brains.</p>
<p>Anyhow, at least this manifestation of South Korea&#8217;s penchant for bad taste isn&#8217;t likely to incite any Jewish groups to write angry letters like several other establishments (and commercials &#8212; dancing Hitler with snack cake, anyone?) have.  On the other hand, I&#8217;m pretty sure there are plenty of people down at the local VFW that will have a word or two to say if they ever catch wind of it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of opening a bar here in America called &#8216;Tojo&#8217;s.&#8217;  We&#8217;ll dress the male bartenders like Kamikaze and the female bartenders in hanbok.  (Just kidding! No firebombs, please!)  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Danger Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danger Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though this may be the first time that the supposed simplicity and authentic "Koreanness" of the North have been packaged for commercial gain, there was an exhibition a few years back showing scenes from the life of typical North Koreans that elicited similarly dewy-eyed reactions from many urbane, jaded Southerners.

Quite apart from any misguided Southern notion of the North as a wayward, sickly relative, there is, perhaps, a more acute sense of nostalgia for the countryside -- and of something being lost amid the South's breakneck development -- than one might find elsewhere. Movies such as 집으로 and Welcome to Donkmagkeol tap into this, and there is even something of a "back to the land" movement taking place among some professionals, according to &lt;a HREF="http://news.naver.com/print_form.php?office_id=032&#38;article_id=0000181678" rel="nofollow"&gt;
this article,
&lt;/A&gt; among others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though this may be the first time that the supposed simplicity and authentic &#8220;Koreanness&#8221; of the North have been packaged for commercial gain, there was an exhibition a few years back showing scenes from the life of typical North Koreans that elicited similarly dewy-eyed reactions from many urbane, jaded Southerners.</p>
<p>Quite apart from any misguided Southern notion of the North as a wayward, sickly relative, there is, perhaps, a more acute sense of nostalgia for the countryside &#8212; and of something being lost amid the South&#8217;s breakneck development &#8212; than one might find elsewhere. Movies such as 집으로 and Welcome to Donkmagkeol tap into this, and there is even something of a &#8220;back to the land&#8221; movement taking place among some professionals, according to <a HREF="http://news.naver.com/print_form.php?office_id=032&amp;article_id=0000181678" rel="nofollow"><br />
this article,<br />
</a> among others.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, thanks for the clarification. In editing, especially in tirades (even well-meaning tirades), references to "and now the same people" always send up a red flag. 

I mean this constructively, not critically, but the way you worded it, I think it's easy for someone to think you mean the same actual people, not people who are tied together by some other characteristic (in this case, being Korean businesspeople). 

A lot of the arguments about the hypocrisy of a certain group of people often stem from critics pointing out something that has happened within a group, and then a completely contradictory thing that has also happened, without acknowledging that the two acts may have been from two different sets of people who, in actuality, may not agree on the matter at all. 

Okay. Editor mode off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, thanks for the clarification. In editing, especially in tirades (even well-meaning tirades), references to &#8220;and now the same people&#8221; always send up a red flag. </p>
<p>I mean this constructively, not critically, but the way you worded it, I think it&#8217;s easy for someone to think you mean the same actual people, not people who are tied together by some other characteristic (in this case, being Korean businesspeople). </p>
<p>A lot of the arguments about the hypocrisy of a certain group of people often stem from critics pointing out something that has happened within a group, and then a completely contradictory thing that has also happened, without acknowledging that the two acts may have been from two different sets of people who, in actuality, may not agree on the matter at all. </p>
<p>Okay. Editor mode off.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Kushibo, this is a different fellow but with the same cultural taste -- poor.

Sonagi, that is the Heinz 57 Romanization system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Kushibo, this is a different fellow but with the same cultural taste &#8212; poor.</p>
<p>Sonagi, that is the Heinz 57 Romanization system.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt; “Ouri Chib”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Which romanization system is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p> “Ouri Chib”</p></blockquote>
<p>Which romanization system is that?</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A few years back some bar owners got the idea that having Nazi-themed bars were really cool enough to make money.

They weren’t.

Now, &lt;b&gt;some of the same enterprising businessmen&lt;/b&gt; have caught upon the meme of “well-being” and the natural, unpolluted oasis that is North Korea ™ and have discovered how it can be sold as a concept to sophisticated, world-weary South Koreans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Are you saying that the same people who opened up the infamous Nazi-themed bars in the 1990s are the same people now opening up the DPRK-themed establishments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A few years back some bar owners got the idea that having Nazi-themed bars were really cool enough to make money.</p>
<p>They weren’t.</p>
<p>Now, <b>some of the same enterprising businessmen</b> have caught upon the meme of “well-being” and the natural, unpolluted oasis that is North Korea ™ and have discovered how it can be sold as a concept to sophisticated, world-weary South Koreans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you saying that the same people who opened up the infamous Nazi-themed bars in the 1990s are the same people now opening up the DPRK-themed establishments?</p>
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