Comments on: round of 16 set; korea heartbroken http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:20:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40601 MrChips Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:32:37 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40601 G.M. Jeonuchi, I'm thinking that rule is outdated. Check out the FIFA decision at: http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws11_03.htm Read all 3 pages for offsides... G.M. Jeonuchi, I’m thinking that rule is outdated. Check out the FIFA decision at:

http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws11_03.htm

Read all 3 pages for offsides…

]]> By: G. M. Jeonuchi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40598 G. M. Jeonuchi Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:25:02 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40598 I'm also wondering where I can find the rule that defenders' deflections negate the offside penalty. Can Mr. dissidentdave or anyone else refer me to some sources? I’m also wondering where I can find the rule that defenders’ deflections negate the offside penalty. Can Mr. dissidentdave or anyone else refer me to some sources?

]]> By: G. M. Jeonuchi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40595 G. M. Jeonuchi Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:18:06 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40595 What is done, is done, and overall I think the Swiss created better chances at scoring. However, I would still like to see some definitive analysis on this issue. According to this web page dated 6/19/2006 (so quite recent), if the ball is deflected off a defender, the receiving player is still offsides: http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/13082/ Does anybody have a good explanation/rebuttal of this? What is done, is done, and overall I think the Swiss created better chances at scoring.

However, I would still like to see some definitive analysis on this issue. According to this web page dated 6/19/2006 (so quite recent), if the ball is deflected off a defender, the receiving player is still offsides:

http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20.....ion/13082/

Does anybody have a good explanation/rebuttal of this?

]]> By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40575 MrChips Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:48:43 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40575 as for being heartbroken, oh well, I cried when the Patriots got the crap spanked out of'em in '86 by the big bad Bears. I got over it. I was 12 and my Dad told me I was too old to cry and got pretty ticked off at me for my "immaturity" as he put it. I hope Korea's team continues to progress and that league play takes off more as well. I just wish so much of people's lives didn't revolve around the failure or success of a sports team. It's too much drama, really. as for being heartbroken, oh well, I cried when the Patriots got the crap spanked out of’em in ‘86 by the big bad Bears. I got over it. I was 12 and my Dad told me I was too old to cry and got pretty ticked off at me for my “immaturity” as he put it.

I hope Korea’s team continues to progress and that league play takes off more as well. I just wish so much of people’s lives didn’t revolve around the failure or success of a sports team. It’s too much drama, really.

]]> By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40574 MrChips Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:44:07 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40574 on the above link go to the 3rd page (3rd of 3) of law 11 for offsides and the definitino of advantage on the above link go to the 3rd page (3rd of 3) of law 11 for offsides and the definitino of advantage

]]> By: MrChips http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40573 MrChips Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:42:57 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40573 Gentlemen and Ladies, I was under the impression that when an opponent touches the ball before it immediately negates any offside position. This was the rule we used in NCAA Div II and high school in the US. I am almost positive it was the rule in FIFA...at one time. HOWEVER, in looking up the rules there is a significant "Decision" by the International F.A. Board which tells me that this rule has been changed. Plockhoy mentioned the "advantage" clause of the offsides rule. Here is the "Decision's" definition of advantage: <b>Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.</b> http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws11_01.htm I think this has not gotten the attention of many people yet and I imagine it must be a fairly new distinction but I'm afraid I have to start thinking the call might not have been so good...Not that any other local fans (specifically netizens) out there knew of the old rule or of any change but, anyhoo....I need to find out when that decision was put into the rules. Gentlemen and Ladies, I was under the impression that when an opponent touches the ball before it immediately negates any offside position. This was the rule we used in NCAA Div II and high school in the US. I am almost positive it was the rule in FIFA…at one time. HOWEVER, in looking up the rules there is a significant “Decision” by the International F.A. Board which tells me that this rule has been changed. Plockhoy mentioned the “advantage” clause of the offsides rule. Here is the “Decision’s” definition of advantage: Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position.

http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws11_01.htm

I think this has not gotten the attention of many people yet and I imagine it must be a fairly new distinction but I’m afraid I have to start thinking the call might not have been so good…Not that any other local fans (specifically netizens) out there knew of the old rule or of any change but, anyhoo….I need to find out when that decision was put into the rules.

]]> By: komtengi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40566 komtengi Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:30:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40566 Avocaat was right in his assessment that the KLeague needs to improve drastically for the national team to improve. and just a correction, there is still one Asian team in the cup.......Australia. Yes, we are now part of the AFC!! look out Asia Cup Avocaat was right in his assessment that the KLeague needs to improve drastically for the national team to improve.
and just a correction, there is still one Asian team in the cup…….Australia.
Yes, we are now part of the AFC!!
look out Asia Cup

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40555 baduk Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:32:01 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40555 lucia, Thanks for the kind words about the future of Korean soccer. Why do Koreans show the same games over and over? Worldcup 2002 was a dream come true for Koreans. Do you know what the goal for Korean soccer going into 2002? To win one game. That is it. To win one world cup game. Prior to 2002, Korea has gone to World cup several times but never won a game. Not even one game. Coach Hiddink changed all that. He trained Korean team in the right way. How to pass, whom to pass, how to defend, etc. But, in the friendly matches prior to 2002, Korean team lost a lot of games. They did not look good. I was pleasantly surprised that Korea beat Poland in the first match. It was the first time Korea had won a world cup match!!!! The very first time in history of Korea. I remember in 60-70s when Korea could not even qualify for the world cup. They lost to Malesia, Australia, Iran, Iraq and SoudiArabia. Korean soccer has come a long way. I hope this journey continues. And, as you said, the world cup will be a lot more interesting when new teams like the US, Ghana, other African nations or even Korea becomes a powerhouse. lucia,

Thanks for the kind words about the future of Korean soccer.

Why do Koreans show the same games over and over? Worldcup 2002 was a dream come true for Koreans.

Do you know what the goal for Korean soccer going into 2002? To win one game. That is it. To win one world cup game. Prior to 2002, Korea has gone to World cup several times but never won a game. Not even one game.

Coach Hiddink changed all that. He trained Korean team in the right way. How to pass, whom to pass, how to defend, etc. But, in the friendly matches prior to 2002, Korean team lost a lot of games. They did not look good.

I was pleasantly surprised that Korea beat Poland in the first match. It was the first time Korea had won a world cup match!!!! The very first time in history of Korea.

I remember in 60-70s when Korea could not even qualify for the world cup. They lost to Malesia, Australia, Iran, Iraq and SoudiArabia.

Korean soccer has come a long way. I hope this journey continues. And, as you said, the world cup will be a lot more interesting when new teams like the US, Ghana, other African nations or even Korea becomes a powerhouse.

]]> By: madne0 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40536 madne0 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:21:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40536 I wouldn't know about the hand ball (didn't see it), but i think Frei wasn't offside. It's just offside if, when the pass is made to player X he is past the last defender. In this case the pass was not made to Frei. It was going to another Swiss player, it was the attempt to cut that pass by the Korean player that made the ball go to Frei. Hence, no offside. I wouldn’t know about the hand ball (didn’t see it), but i think Frei wasn’t offside. It’s just offside if, when the pass is made to player X he is past the last defender. In this case the pass was not made to Frei. It was going to another Swiss player, it was the attempt to cut that pass by the Korean player that made the ball go to Frei. Hence, no offside.

]]> By: Sugar Shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40535 Sugar Shin Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:08:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/24/round-of-16-set-korea-heartbroken/#comment-40535 <i>... and 6 years in Germany (where I met my fabulous Korean wife on a train)... </i> jeffereyhodges So, you had the time of your life in good old Germany. Thanks for your kind invitation, I'll take that offer when I'm back in the homeland and my hometown again! dda, et kütt wie et kütt! … and 6 years in Germany (where I met my fabulous Korean wife on a train)… jeffereyhodges

So, you had the time of your life in good old Germany. Thanks for your kind invitation, I’ll take that offer when I’m back in the homeland and my hometown again!

dda, et kütt wie et kütt!

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