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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Hanbando&#8217; and Kang Woo-suk&#8217;s nationalist rage</title>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40444</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didja hear that nulji?  That movie you like was a Japanese co-production.  Maybe that "Japanese" director who did that Bond film was involved too!

Silly ignant kyopo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didja hear that nulji?  That movie you like was a Japanese co-production.  Maybe that &#8220;Japanese&#8221; director who did that Bond film was involved too!</p>
<p>Silly ignant kyopo.</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40420</link>
		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's important to note that 2009:Lost Memories was a co-operative effort with both Korean and Japanese film studios.

I'd also like to throw in my opinion about the movie: It was absolutely terribly stupid.  I can see how people would take it as an 'anti-Japan' movie, but it's pure stupidness as a movie greatly overshadowed that to the point that I don't even bother...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to note that 2009:Lost Memories was a co-operative effort with both Korean and Japanese film studios.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to throw in my opinion about the movie: It was absolutely terribly stupid.  I can see how people would take it as an &#8216;anti-Japan&#8217; movie, but it&#8217;s pure stupidness as a movie greatly overshadowed that to the point that I don&#8217;t even bother&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bluejives</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40391</link>
		<dc:creator>bluejives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t think this means war is the only option–if S.K. and China phase out support while allowing (as Mr. Lankov has suggested) amnesty to the leadership, N.K. might implode in a somewhat manageable way. But the U.S. should still be involved to ensure that China does not fill the power vacuum with a puppet gov’t.

Ah, but the reason why SK and China are supporting NK (China to a larger extent than SK) is precisely that they dont want NK to implode.

Even if SK went fully along with the US in applying sanction to NK, China would not. This is why I believe a NK collapse is unlikely to begin with. The Chinese would nip that problem at the bud even before the problem happens because prior to the eventual collapse, all the warning signs of collapse would be evident. 

But if SK endorsed the US led sanction policy, they would jeopardize any future hopes of intra-Korean reconciliation. Why throw away this option for an undesirable event which is not going to happen away?
This is basically the reason why SK is forced to contradict the US. SK's diplomatic position is trully uneviable because it is forced to face so many dilemmas, it can cause great migraine headaches.

If war is not an option and collapse is not an option, what is left?

The US and the world needs to get used to the idea that NK will remain a dictatorship for a while. Even if a collapse happened, NK would still be a dictatorship during the post collapse period. No nation goes from being the world's most extreme form of totalitarianism to being a democracy or whatever overnight. 

But the idea is to slowly transform NK into a rational nation by helping it get integrated into the world economy. A dictatorship NK, albeit integrated into the world economy, is essentially no different from pre-1995 SK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t think this means war is the only option–if S.K. and China phase out support while allowing (as Mr. Lankov has suggested) amnesty to the leadership, N.K. might implode in a somewhat manageable way. But the U.S. should still be involved to ensure that China does not fill the power vacuum with a puppet gov’t.</p>
<p>Ah, but the reason why SK and China are supporting NK (China to a larger extent than SK) is precisely that they dont want NK to implode.</p>
<p>Even if SK went fully along with the US in applying sanction to NK, China would not. This is why I believe a NK collapse is unlikely to begin with. The Chinese would nip that problem at the bud even before the problem happens because prior to the eventual collapse, all the warning signs of collapse would be evident. </p>
<p>But if SK endorsed the US led sanction policy, they would jeopardize any future hopes of intra-Korean reconciliation. Why throw away this option for an undesirable event which is not going to happen away?<br />
This is basically the reason why SK is forced to contradict the US. SK&#8217;s diplomatic position is trully uneviable because it is forced to face so many dilemmas, it can cause great migraine headaches.</p>
<p>If war is not an option and collapse is not an option, what is left?</p>
<p>The US and the world needs to get used to the idea that NK will remain a dictatorship for a while. Even if a collapse happened, NK would still be a dictatorship during the post collapse period. No nation goes from being the world&#8217;s most extreme form of totalitarianism to being a democracy or whatever overnight. </p>
<p>But the idea is to slowly transform NK into a rational nation by helping it get integrated into the world economy. A dictatorship NK, albeit integrated into the world economy, is essentially no different from pre-1995 SK.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40367</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet you like "Fighter in the Wind" as well paw-boy. Ugh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet you like &#8220;Fighter in the Wind&#8221; as well paw-boy. Ugh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a scummy expact nor was I offended, but 2009: Lost memories was a forgetable movie. The initial premise and indeed the first half of the movie was quite interesting. I disagree with Matthew in that I didn't think it was unimaginative. The fact that it parallels real history and could actually have happened makes it more interesting. The problem with the movie is that it is too imaginative. The time traveling plotline thrown into the middle of the film and the deus ex machina induced ending are simply retarded. It could have been much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a scummy expact nor was I offended, but 2009: Lost memories was a forgetable movie. The initial premise and indeed the first half of the movie was quite interesting. I disagree with Matthew in that I didn&#8217;t think it was unimaginative. The fact that it parallels real history and could actually have happened makes it more interesting. The problem with the movie is that it is too imaginative. The time traveling plotline thrown into the middle of the film and the deus ex machina induced ending are simply retarded. It could have been much better.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40356</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. 'lost memories' was a fantastic movie. i highly recommend it even if a few scummy expats were offended. 

2. i can't wait for the 'hanbando' dvd. 

3. don't like how the koreans portray japan? then don't watch them. it's that simple.

4. china won't be dominating korea since the conditions that existed in the past do not exist today. think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8216;lost memories&#8217; was a fantastic movie. i highly recommend it even if a few scummy expats were offended. </p>
<p>2. i can&#8217;t wait for the &#8216;hanbando&#8217; dvd. </p>
<p>3. don&#8217;t like how the koreans portray japan? then don&#8217;t watch them. it&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>4. china won&#8217;t be dominating korea since the conditions that existed in the past do not exist today. think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40329</link>
		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey now Matthew. A time traveling lump of rock from Manchuria (Korean, natch) is mighty imaginative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now Matthew. A time traveling lump of rock from Manchuria (Korean, natch) is mighty imaginative.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40289</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll ignore the Bluejives trolling snortfest and address something donnieknutts mentioned:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Has anybody seen 2009: Lost Memories with Kang Dong Gun? It’s an alternate reality sci-fi flick in which Japan maintains control over the Korea throughout the century. The movie itself is pretty bad and forgettable, but the premise is interesting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You know what annoyed me about that movie?  The utter lack of imagination.  I know that the director and screenwriter were just following the anti-Japan plotting of the book, but if you could really change the destinies of both countries, the moral choice would've been to plot a third history for Korea and Japan that left both countries independent and prosperous.  Instead, for the sake of Korean pride, the film winds up with the evils of the 20th century repeated all over again for Koreans and Japanese alike.

But, hey, who needs deep philosophy when "F--- Japan" (or "F--- the US") is the only political statements that make their way into your popular movies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll ignore the Bluejives trolling snortfest and address something donnieknutts mentioned:</p>
<blockquote><p>Has anybody seen 2009: Lost Memories with Kang Dong Gun? It’s an alternate reality sci-fi flick in which Japan maintains control over the Korea throughout the century. The movie itself is pretty bad and forgettable, but the premise is interesting.</p></blockquote>
<p>You know what annoyed me about that movie?  The utter lack of imagination.  I know that the director and screenwriter were just following the anti-Japan plotting of the book, but if you could really change the destinies of both countries, the moral choice would&#8217;ve been to plot a third history for Korea and Japan that left both countries independent and prosperous.  Instead, for the sake of Korean pride, the film winds up with the evils of the 20th century repeated all over again for Koreans and Japanese alike.</p>
<p>But, hey, who needs deep philosophy when &#8220;F&#8212; Japan&#8221; (or &#8220;F&#8212; the US&#8221;) is the only political statements that make their way into your popular movies?</p>
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		<title>By: thorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>thorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the preview in the theater and half the audience snickered or cracked up when it was over. I don't think anyone, certainly not rational Koreans, probably not even weirdos like Kang Woo-suk really think an invasion is possible. I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape about a flick that's obviously destined to go straight to into Super Action's Saturday afternoon mindless entertainment action/adventure rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the preview in the theater and half the audience snickered or cracked up when it was over. I don&#8217;t think anyone, certainly not rational Koreans, probably not even weirdos like Kang Woo-suk really think an invasion is possible. I don&#8217;t know why people are getting bent out of shape about a flick that&#8217;s obviously destined to go straight to into Super Action&#8217;s Saturday afternoon mindless entertainment action/adventure rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/23/hanbando-and-kang-woo-suks-nationalist-rage/#comment-40219</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The US continuously threatens and hints of possible military action against NK. This is the way it has been for the past half century."

Thanks for the troll comments, Bluejives. Where would South Korea be now, if the US hadn't been here for the past 50 years? It would exist as the southern part of the DPRK under the benevolent tutelage of the Dear Leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The US continuously threatens and hints of possible military action against NK. This is the way it has been for the past half century.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the troll comments, Bluejives. Where would South Korea be now, if the US hadn&#8217;t been here for the past 50 years? It would exist as the southern part of the DPRK under the benevolent tutelage of the Dear Leader.</p>
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