Seoul not taking potential missile test seriously?

Washington Post international media blogger Jefferson Morley learns what readers of The Marmot’s Hole have known since this whole North Korean missile thing started—South Korea tends to react to bad news about North Korea a bit differently:

While the rest of the worlds sounds very worried, the South Korean government is downplaying reports that North Korea may be preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile, according to reports in the country’s online media.

Seoul? Downplaying reports? You don’t say?

The conflicting response of government and media reflects the complexity of South Korean public opinion where fear of the North’s nuclear arsenal and disgust with its human rights abuses compete against popular sentiment for unification of the peninsula and, as The Post’s Anthony Faiola reported last month, resentment caused by the presence of U.S. troops in the country for the past half century.

Well, OK, there’s another factor in play as well, and it’s not necessarily the World Cup. You also have to take into consideration the fact that most of South Korea has been within North Korean missile range for quite some time, and most here in Seoul—well within the range of North Korean artillery—take it for granted that in the event of hostilities, we’d have at most a couple of minutes to kiss our asses goodbye, nukes or no nukes.

ICBMs are even more irrelevant. Intercontinental missiles are, pretty much by definition, not for use in hitting countries a six-seven hour drive away. Yes, they put parts of the United States within range of North Korean stupidity, but so what? Welcome to our world. Anyway, when you’ve dealt with the North Korean threat for as long as folk here, you learn after a while to tune it out. Think about the good old days of the Cold War. Most of us, and by us I mean Americans, lived our lives under constant threat of a Soviet nuclear strike. I’m not sure about you, but I didn’t wake up every morning contemplating the reality that it took only a press of the button for some grumpy badly dressed old dude in the Kremlin to ruin ruin my entire day.

I should also note that the South Korean government, official statement and critical press reports in the Chosun-JoongAng-DongA not withstanding, does in fact take the possibility of a North Korean missile launch very seriously, albeit possibly for very different reasons than the Americans and Japanese, as I’ll get to later.

Morley goes on to cite editorials in the English-language editions of Korea’s three major dailies, all of them critical of the government’s handling of the North Korean missile issue. This, of course, is Exhibit A of why it’s got to be tough being an overseas journalist trying to cover the Korean press. You have to rely on what you can read. And that usually means only those papers with English editions, which in Korea, means the Chosun, JoongAng and Dong-A dailies. Now, I don’t mean to criticize those fine papers or belittle their influence on public opinion—they do account for something like 60 percent of the Korean newspaper market, after all. But to speak frankly, if you’ve read an editorial in one, more than likely you’ve read one in the other two. What’s you’re NOT going to get is a fair representation of Korean media opinion.

So, for the benefit of those poor unfortunate souls who follow the trackback from the WaPo blog expecting something insightful to read here, let me apologize and say you’ll find nothing of the sort, but by way of consolation, I will briefly summarize what some of Korea’s other rags of record had to say about the North Korean missile thingy.

In an editorial on May 18, the Hankyoreh Shinmun—one of Korea’s representative left-wing papers—called on the North Koreans to halt any missile test it may have planned, attempting to convince the North Koreans—as only the Hankyoreh can—that a missile test would not be in North Korea’s best interests. Namely, it points out that for a nation surrounded by major powers like North Korea, it was more important for defense to properly handy tension and conflict than to develop advanced missile technology. A missile test could lead to long term isolation for the North. It also warned the North that a test might seem good for potential missile exports, but this was a mistake because it would lend strength to U.S. moves to close off all North Korean missile exports.

It also warned the North that any calculation it might have made that a test could prove useful in improving its relationship with the United States ala past exercises in brinkmanship was wrong. Instead, it said in true Hani fashion, all it would do is provide justification to hardliners in the Bush administration who prefer pressure over dialog and to the U.S. military-industrial complex (and here I was thinking nobody used that term anymore). It would also strengthen the “aggressive” Korea-Japan alliance. In addition, a test would prove a burden on moderates who have pushed a peaceful resolution to problems on the Korean Peninsula, including the North Korean nuclear issue.

The paper also criticized the Bush administration (like you thought it wouldn’t?), which is condemned for not really trying to restart the six-party talks. Firstly, the administration turned down both a possible meeting between Assistant Secretary of State Chris Hill and North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye-kwan in Tokyo in April and a June 1 invitation to Hill to visit Pyongyang. It said Washington’s passive attitude toward restarting the talks cast suspicion on whether the United States really meant to deal with all issues through the six-party talks, as it claims.

It also said it was as foolish for U.S. hardliners to expect the North to fold unilaterally as it was for the North to expect U.S. hardliners to fold after a missile test. What’s more, with the U.S. already leveling financial sanctions on the North, there weren’t that many cards for the U.S. to play, and it was best for Washington to begin negotiations to restart the six-party talks.

The Hani summarized:

In international relations, there are frequent cases in which crises worsen due to irrational behavior on the part of actors because the actors are overly subjective in judging the situation or overestimate their own strength. Both apply to North Korea’s preparations for a missile test. The same goes for the United States’ fixation on putting pressure on the North. Our government must make all efforts so that all the states involved in this situation make realistic judgments. What could one believe if the Korea-U.S. alliance of half a century and the North-South relationship built up over the last several years were to become useless in a time of crisis?

I was just shocked the Hani hinted that the Korea-U.S. alliance might actually be a good thing, or at least useful for something. Enjoy it now, because it occurs about as frequently as a cataclysmic meteor strike.

Two other left-leaning papers, the Kyunghyang Shinmun and the Seoul Shinmun, took a similar approach, namely, warning the North that it had nothing to gain from a missile test, and that such a test would hurt South Korea’s efforts to help the North.

Which brings us to what I mentioned before, namely, that Seoul does take the potential missile test seriously. Actually, I think they dread a test even more than Washington or Tokyo. Dollars to donuts the U.S. and Japan actually want the North to launch, as it provides them even more justification to up the pressure on the North, makes it tougher for China to continue protecting the North in the UN (which Beijing will continue to do anyway, but at greater diplomatic cost), and who knows—they might even get a chance to try out that snazzy new missile defense system they’ve been working on. At any rate, Americans might be more willing to part with tax money if they know those wacky North Koreans might eventually be able to deliver a payload onto LA or Seattle.

It’s the South Koreans who have the most to lose from a test, albeit by default since the North never had anything to lose anyway. If the North fires a missile, the black haze you’ll see on the horizon won’t be from a warhead going off; it will be South Korea’s efforts to get the Americans to play nice with Pyongyang going up in smoke. The North would have shot itself in the foot once again, but it will be the South that does the bleeding. The Roh administration’s diplomatic efforts—and they’ve been considerable, and sometimes at great sacrifice to its relations with the United States—won’t be worth jack-shit, and President Roh will look like an even bigger clown in Washington than he already does. His diplomatic woes will no doubt be compounded by the Japanese, who will waste no opportunity to point out to the Americans the failures of Roh administration and why it’s Tokyo, not Seoul (and certainly not Beijing!), to whom the Americans should listen—oh, and please expedite those F-22s sales, thanks.

It’s probably also worth noting that there are probably a few South Korean officials who fear the Americans might actually respond to a test by delivering a world of hurt on the North via B-2 or F-117, and do I really have to explain why somebody within North Korean artillery range and a one-hour drive from a goodly percentage of the Korean People’s Army might not necessarily view that as a fortuitous turn of events?

The South Koreans aren’t underplaying reports because they’re not concerned about a test. They’re simply trying to keep the situation calm while they pray to sweet Jesus the North doesn’t screw them once again.

39 Comments

  1. MrChips your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    Perhaps it will hit Dokdo to erase that issue from future conversations; although the blogs will sure miss it. Hopefully the small police detachment can evacuate in time….

  2. MrChips your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    2 1/2 balls and a twat says that AEGIS will take the man down and add fire to the US ABM system and further embarrasment to the NK aggrevation of the west program…

  3. Joel your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    That looks like WWIII scenario for me.
    Japan wardecs North for sinking their beloved Takeshima, Roh allies with North (that’s [b]our [/b]Dokdo!), China uses the ocassion to quietly sink whatever US ships are guarding Taiwan and by that moment we have everyone else happily killing themselves:D

  4. MrChips your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Roh doesn’t know how to make military alliances, what they’re for, or how they’re beneficial; the notion is totally foreign to him.

    The only thing guarding the Taiwan straights is under water and can’t be tracked by any technology that China possesses…but stories are great for telling not for the actual way they work out.

  5. Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    I didn’t wake up every morning contemplating the reality that it took only a press of the button for some grumpy badly dressed old dude in the Kremlin to ruin ruin my entire day.

    I used to wake up in the middle of the night worrying that the senile old hand-puppet that was elected for his one-liners was going to set it off.

    Amazing what a little lattitude gets yah.

  6. slim your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 3:11 am | Permalink

    fear of the North’s nuclear arsenal and disgust with its human rights abuses compete against popular sentiment ….
    AND LOSES NEARLY EVERY TIME!

  7. Posted June 21, 2006 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Think about the good old days of the Cold War. Most of us, and by us I mean Americans, lived our lives under constant threat of a Soviet nuclear strike. I’m not sure about you, but I didn’t wake up every morning contemplating the reality that it took only a press of the button for some grumpy badly dressed old dude in the Kremlin to ruin ruin my entire day.

    Wrong analogy. I don’t care what ROK’s policymakers think about in the morning. The current situationin Seoul would be similar to Reagan yawning at a Soviet threat to shoot a missile over Berlin or JFK telling the world to calm down over the USSR putting missiles in Cuba.

  8. Posted June 21, 2006 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    MrChips wrote:
    Roh doesn’t know how to make military alliances, what they’re for, or how they’re beneficial; the notion is totally foreign to him.

    Exactly. This has been much of the problem all along, and it’s part of the reason why he can occasionally sound reasonable (when he’s saying what the right advisers told him to say) but sound like a no-nothing nut when he speaks off the top of his head.

    By the way, The Marmot, great and thorough post that needed to be said — it bugs the crap out of me when complexities are boiled down to a pre-packaged sentence like “Seoul thinks this” or “Seoul says that” — and you have saved me the trouble of writing something like it.

  9. Posted June 21, 2006 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Wrong analogy. I don’t care what ROK’s policymakers think about in the morning. The current situationin Seoul would be similar to Reagan yawning at a Soviet threat to shoot a missile over Berlin or JFK telling the world to calm down over the USSR putting missiles in Cuba.

    I think The Marmot’s analogy was quite valid: we in Seoul are in a world where the missiles have long been in Cuba and where shooting a missile over Berlin would add nothing to the fact that they can already kill most of us within half an hour.

    In terms of the ability to kill us and kill us quickly, this test-firing brings nothing new to the technological or logistical table.

  10. Posted June 21, 2006 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Damn, forgot to add this in relation to the North’s ability to fry everyone north of Kwanaksan…

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: much of the difference in Seoul’s attitude and response (vis-à-vis Washington’s or even Tokyo’s) toward the North’s new belligerences is that South Koreans suffer from threat fatigue.

    Been there, done that. Let’s try something new (which is how the Sunshine Policy was born).

    Not saying I agree, just that the threat fatigue informs a lot of the actions and reactions of people who want to see if a different path will work.

  11. Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    I dunno, the whole this is so confusing and complex that I don’t feel there is any one answer.

    Maybe the “idea” of the North firing a missile is unnerving, while it actually happing is not going to cause any bad juju other than some foot tapping in the UN security council.

    And yet…in Red State, middle America the idea of a nation seen as big a crackpot as the DPRK having access to not only an ICBM but –by it’s own admission — an a-bomb is enough to get them to pressure The Powers That Be to do something.

    Doesn’t mean it’s logical. Doesn’t mean it’s going to help South Korea or the citizens of Seoul. But it does mean it’s possible — just possible — that them shooting that thing off could lurch things forwards into Endgame territory.

    I just have a hunch that the DPRK is playing with some serious, serious fire here. The American media could latch on to the launch and really scare the crap out of the American public, which will in turn demand that Bushie do something ANYTHING to make them feel safer.

    The logical solution is to sit tight let all of this blow over and generally ignore the DPRK. But essentially giving ground troops authorization to launch tacticle missiles on Florida during the Cuban Missile Crisis wasn’t exactly the most logical thing for Castro to do, now was it.

    Welcome to Korea, is all I gotta say.

  12. Ryan your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    “just that the threat fatigue informs a lot of the actions and reactions of people who want to see if a different path will work.”

    Threat Fatigueㅋㅋㅋ Sounds like a new addition to International Relations Theory.

  13. Janus your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Boy, Korea sure is dynamic.

    Well let’s open my old PSYC-001 textbook and see why Seoul is pretending this doesn’t exist…

    - Confirmation bias [one will emphasize things that he likes and downplay things that don't already fit his worldview...in this case, that North Korea is still a violent evil little state led by a violent evil little man that has been using the Sunshine Boys like the dopes they are]

    - Cognitive dissonance leading to denial [One can obviously not reconcile the belief that “North Koreans heart peace and love” with the fact that “North Koreans are deliberately provoking the world.” So, one will have to be supressed.

  14. Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    And yet…in Red State, middle America the idea of a nation seen as big a crackpot as the DPRK having access to not only an ICBM but –by it’s own admission — an a-bomb is enough to get them to pressure The Powers That Be to do something.

    Perhaps. Although it bears reminding that it was the Clinton administration that actually came closest to bombing the Bejesus out of the North when it parked to carrier groups off the North Korean coast. And Bill almost pulled the trigger because North Korea was threatening to do things that under the Bush administration it has actually done seemingly without raising undue alarm.

    Also, do I really need to point out that of the states that would come under immediate threat, only one—Alaska—is a red state.

  15. Wedge your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Shelton said: “And yet…in Red State, middle America the idea of a nation seen as big a crackpot as the DPRK having access to not only an ICBM but –by it’s own admission — an a-bomb is enough to get them to pressure The Powers That Be to do something.”

    So in Left Coast blue-state Ecotopia, which would actually be within range of such a missile (unlike “middle America”), it’s no big deal? “Dude, chill. Don’t like stress Korean rockets or whatever, just pass the spliff.”

  16. R. Elgin your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    I could but only remember the infamous missile game “Kingdom Come”:
    http://www.versiontracker.com/.....cosx/19927

    Sometimes it’s difficult to understand exactly what’s happening on the Korean peninsula. Could North Korean leader Kim Jong Il attach nuclear payloads to his Taepo-Dong missiles? Will South Korean president Roh Moo Hyun’s “sunshine” policy of engagement bring peace? Will North Korea release the hostages it took from Japan in the 1970s? What is with Kim’s haircut? Only time, and this game, will tell.

    Use your Flying Dong 2 missiles to fend off detente with the puppets of the south. With Roh & his “sunshine” policy out of the way, you won’t have to suffer his donations of food and oil ever again! Blasting aid, waving at parades, eliminating traitorous traitors, destroying your own cities… it’s fun! fun! fun! north of the DMZ.

    Aside from the busy task of protecting cities from menacing gifts of energy and nourishment from your Imperialist enemies, the Dear Leader is faced with difficult policy choices. Should you wait until your last city defects, or nuke it first? Or are your objectives better met by just blowing up the sun?

    Although the action will become fast and furious, victory is surely within the grasp of a Dear Leader whose official biography notes that his birth was marked by a new star, and who composed six operas, designed the Juche Tower, and invented the tractor.

  17. Posted June 21, 2006 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    It’s going to scare or at least…unnerve…folks of all political stripes in America, I think.

    It just seems like the Red State folks are more likely to say, “Screw it, bomb those suckers.” Esp. given how the Christian Right is already at the forefront of trying to make the deplorable human rights record of the DPRK an issue.

    The Blue State folks on the Left Coast might be spooked for geopolitical reasons…but politically they may be more likely to grin and bear it. Clinton was the quentisential “Purple” pol.

    Or at least in my gross-generalization imagination.

  18. Posted June 21, 2006 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    The Marmot wrote:
    Although it bears reminding that it was the Clinton administration that actually came closest to bombing the Bejesus out of the North when it parked to carrier groups off the North Korean coast. And Bill almost pulled the trigger because North Korea was threatening to do things that under the Bush administration it has actually done seemingly without raising undue alarm.

    Just as only Nixon could go to China, only Clinton could bomb the crap out of North Korea.

  19. Shenzhen Whitey your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I will go out on a limb and say the missile won’t be launched. There are even rainier occassions for KJI to use use this little trump card.

    If it is launched, there will be huffing and puffing and a few sanctions but KJI will still get his shipments of Remy Martin. Sunshiners will still have their hands on their ankles while they blame the US and hardliners will still be hardliners.

  20. dogbertt your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I’ve often wondered if Clinton sent Madeleine Albright to Pyongyang because she’s one of the few people who could make Kim Jong-il look tall.

  21. Posted June 21, 2006 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    many say the kim chong il regime will come to an end following his death, i wanna see one of his retarded sons take over for some comic relief. he has a few retarded sons i think. not surprising, since he looks retarded himself.

  22. Posted June 21, 2006 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    A lot of ink being spilled here by those suffering from advanced cases of Stockholm Seoul Syndrome. The fundamental issue, however, is not whether the pervasive ROK attitude of downplaying the threat posed by the NORKS is understandable. Of course, it is - largely because of the cited threat fatigue syndrome. But Seoul has done a 180 with the trope “how I learned to stop worrying and learned to love the bomb”. And the crucial question is whether the ROK policy response is justifiable. We’ve now had eight years of “Sunshine” and son of Sunshine “Peace and Propsperity”. What is there to show for it, besides billions of dollars of aid and comfort to an enemy with a few tens of thousands of artillery pieces and rocket launchers and a million men poised on the border for the stated purpose of destroying the nation in a sea of fire? An enemy that demonstrably has utlizied that aid to strengthen its war making capability, in some cases by bartering humanitarian aid for war material or the means to buy it. Sure, a few family reunions that are blessings for the relatively small number of individuals involved, but otherwise just a pleasing eyewash that obscures — is cynically intended to obscure — the congenital deformity of the appeasement policy from the public gaze. If current ROK policy is based on the myopia that leads the native frogs (and the visiting toads) in the well to say:

    ICBMs are even more irrelevant. Intercontinental missiles are, pretty much by definition, not for use in hitting countries a six-seven hour drive away. Yes, they put parts of the United States within range of North Korean stupidity, but so what? Welcome to our world.

    – and it is, let’s make no mistake about that — then the best thing that could happen would be for Seoul’s dream bubble to be popped by a NORK launch, so that Seoul starts acting like an ally in this situation, instead of posing as a balancer. That will not only serve to enable the allies to pursue a more realistic policy, but will enhance Seoul’s ability to influence allied policy, and US attitudes in particular, and likely lead to a more effective approach to the NORK problem overall.

    Will that actually happen if the NORKS launch? Nope, certainly not in the short run, because current ROKGOV under the Great Pretender and his ROh-Nothings will continue throwing good money after bad.

  23. michael your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    The fundamental problem with the Hankie editorial crew and most “leftists” in Korea is that they accept the legitimacy of the nork regime unquestioningly (and you get the impression they secretly admire it as well) and treat it as the equal to S.K. or the U.S. So you get these lines like “Our government must make all efforts so that all the states involved in this situation make realistic judgments,” when one of those states, N. Korea, has pursued unreality for decades. A lot has been made of Kim Jongil being a “rational actor,” but the same could have been said about John Gotti. He’s a “realistic” leader of a totally dysfunctional society. It’s a military dictatorship run like the mafia, it should be treated as such. As Marmot noted we in Seoul are threatened daily, so instead of worrying about whether Kim DJ can ride a train to Pyongyang for another photo op, maybe the S.K. gov’t should work toward a military draw-down with the suitable rewards and punishments.

  24. Sugar Shin your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    michael,

    it’s unfair!!! I’m waiting for nearly three days to get my “Shin Ramyeon”-avatar rated & approved by gravatar.com and you already got your Udong-pic :(
    Can’t the garvatar-boys read Hanja and Hangeul, that it takes so long???

    Anyway, come in my arms, brother-in-soups!

    Marmot, great post: They’re simply trying to keep the situation calm while they pray to sweet Jesus the North doesn’t screw them once again.

  25. slim your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    I think we should be looking at all these DPRK-instigated “crises” as “opportunities” — new chances to get rid of the real problem here, which is, and has been for decades, the DPRK!

  26. michael your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Shin, it took an entire week for them to approve the ramyeon bag–what a stupid “service.” I’ll willingly change it since it suits you better.

  27. michael your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    I forgot to say I know it’s a different brand, but you don’t want people mistaking me for you I’m sure :)

  28. Sugar Shin your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I forgot to say I know it’s a different brand, but you don’t want people mistaking me for you I’m sure :)

    And you don’t want people mistaking me for you either, Michael.

    Monsieur chevalier, you’re too kind, but I’m fine with it, if you keep your La Udong-avatar. My only concern is a X-rating by them gravatar-slowhands with my HOT SPICY NOODLE!

  29. michael your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Well, thanks M’sieur Shin–we’ll represent ramyeon and “old Europe” together :)

  30. dogbertt your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Putin took less than a day. Man’s got pull.

  31. Posted June 21, 2006 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I do not think NKs have perfected missile guidance system yet. It has one satellite orbiting, but I understand that guiding a missle to hit a precise spot on the other continent is rather difficult.

    Without precise guidance, the missile is useless. It will probably fall somewhere in the Pacific ocean.

    More interesting point, however, is that this missile serves as a good “live” target for the US’s missile defense system. Just think about how much money can be made if the US is successful. Every country on the face of earth will want one. Gazillion dollars.

    I hope that NKs have loaded a nuke bomb on the missile. As they shoot the missile as directed by the Chinese, the US may be able to intercept it.

    I wish the undamaged nuke head to fall at Kwangju(the headquarter of Jolla Commies) and annihilate the city. Kim DaeJung will be so happy to see his sunshine policy yielding a fruit. Wait… Not fruit, a mushroom. Gigantic mushroom!

  32. michael your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    “Putin took less than a day.”
    Damn gravatar Russiaphiles :)

  33. Posted June 21, 2006 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Just a thought: if North Korea test-firing their Taepodong-2 missile is proof that Sunshine Policy has failed, would North Korea not test-firing their Taepodong-2 missile be evidence that Sunshine Policy has succeeded?

    And what would it mean that the Taepodong-1 missile, fired over Japanese territory occurred before Sunshine Policy really got going?

  34. snow your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know that a missile test proves that the Sunshine Policy has failed (I think the lack of tangible results is proof that it’s a failure), but it might be a final nail in the coffin (though Roh and cronies will continue to beat the dead horse until they’re shown the door next year).

  35. R. Elgin your flag
    Posted June 21, 2006 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    I heard from a painter aquaintence that lives in Pyongtaek that he believes that the U.S. and Japan are going to attack NK in June.

    I asked what he had been drinking but consider this article as for one source of why others worry about such things:

    The One Percent Solution

  36. Posted June 22, 2006 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Kushibo says “When was the last time you beat your wife?’

    Sperwer says: “I’m not married.”

    Kushibo, please don’t ever take a job as a designer of questions of multiple choice exams.

    As Snow suggests, whether the NORKS launch or not is, alone, not determinative of the success or failure of MoonSunshine and son of Sunshine.

    The dispositive consideration, as suggested by both me and Snow, is the failure of appeasement — over eight years and billion of dollars in payoffs — to have effected any significant change in NORK threat-mongering and crisis production. The current NORK penis waving is just the latest incident in an unbroken chain of provocations in direct contravention of its own commitments to — you can take your pick of the US, Japan, South Korea - but let’s stick w/ just the ROK, since it is - as the Great Pretender and the Roh-nothings never fail to remind when attempting to justify their spinelessness - the one with the most to lose. In fact, NORK behaviour in this regard is unchanged not only since the commencement of active appeasement, but is completely of piece with their negotiating strategy, posture and tactics since the beginning of the armistice talks — I mean the original ones in Panmunjom in 1951.

  37. Posted June 22, 2006 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    “Putin took less than a day. Man’s got pull.”

    So apparently does Vershbow for the US. Or is it just a coincidence that the announcement that DJ’s Minjok Train isn’t going to be playing again in Pyeonyang this year happened right after Vershbow met with him?

  38. Posted June 23, 2006 at 4:23 am | Permalink

    “I’m not sure about you, but I didn’t wake up every morning contemplating the reality that it took only a press of the button for some grumpy badly dressed old dude in the Kremlin to ruin ruin my entire day.”

    Fair enough, but then again, it wasn’t Kim Jong Il in the Kremlin. Also, I’m slightly miffed that I moved from western Europe, where I’d been safe from nuclear annihiliation since 1991, to western Washington state, only to find myself possibly with an ICBM pointed at me again, as Fort Lewis is just up the road from me. I need to stop living near military command installations…

  39. Posted June 23, 2006 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Sperwer, please don’t ever take a job as a reader of people’s minds or an interpreter the hidden agenda behind what they’re written.

    Your read of my intent was way off.

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