Korean broadcaster KBS is reporting that Chinese authorities have completely halted the importation of Korean dramas.
Last year, some 50 Korean dramas were broadcast throughout China, but this year, Beijing is refusing to grant import licenses for Korean dramas, the report claims.
An employee of one firm importing Korean dramas said because of the popularity of Korean dramas in the Chinese market, he’s getting a ton of requests from regional broadcasters, but the central government is not granting permission to import.
Some media report that the State Administration of Radio, Film & Television (SARFT), which controls all broadcast media in China, sent out an official letter to broadcasters asking them to refrain from showing Korean dramas.
Some analysts believe the measure to be part of a growing anti-Korean Wave trend in China, a trend that took greater shape following last year’s Sino-Korean dispute over a Korean ban on Chinese-made kimchi.
China has also persistently complained that Korea imports next to no China dramas.
An official from SARFT, however, said that officially, China is not restricting the import of Korean dramas.
The Korean dramas currently showing on Chinese TV were OK’d for import last year, which means if the Chinese continue to deny import licenses in the second half of the year, Korean dramas may disappear completely from Chinese TVs from next year.
While the report, if true, would indicate that the backlash against the Korean Wave, at least at the official level, has reached a whole new stage, talk about cracking down on Korean dramas has been going on for quite some time. Taiwanese lawmakers have talked about limiting airtime for foreign programs, a move that would target Korean dramas in particular. Chinese authorities and entertainment figures have been griping about their market being flooded by Korean programs for a while, and the Korean Wave seems to be hurting in Japan, although in the case of Japan, it’s suggested that this may be due to factors other than a nativist backlash.
One wonders if you’ll ever see “Oldboy” star and anti-American globalization activist Choi Min-sik in Cannes protesting in support of China’s struggle for “economic liberation” and its right to protect its indigenous culture against “Korean cultural imperialism.”
Anyway, kudos to China for reminding Koreans, as they did during the Great Garlic War of 2000, what being a dick during a trade dispute really looks like. Might put the Korea-U.S. FTA talks into perspective.
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I hate China. I’m wondering if I made that point clear here. I hate China.
I hate the CPC, too. But ya know, sometimes censorship can be a blessing in disguise.
China will be friendly as long as the US troops are in Korea.
But, watch out. When the US leaves Korea, China’s attitude will change overnight as shown by this incident. China will trash Korea. China will behave differently. Korea has to kowtow to China then as NKs are doing now.
If you don’t like this eventuality, kill Commies now, before it is too late.
I love China. I don’t know if I had made that clear. I love China(Mainland and Taiwan). And I love both the CPC and KMT.
However, I don’t think the Chinese government need to do this. Korean drama and movies are on a downward trend. There were some good ones back in the 2002s years. But lately, it is getting boring. Its popularity will shrink very soon.
I think you love the IDEA of China, m_f, without ever having been there and while nursing a collosal misconception about the country that I don’t need to repeat here.
Not really related but…I just discovered something that may amuse only me. When reading Baduk’s comments, imagine that the words are coming out of his avatar cat’s mouth. It’s quite funny.
(no offense, baduk)
mahathir, if u are talking about those long dragging, sad, annoying dramas, sure they are on a downward trend, cus it gets old. but as a whole, korean dramas arent going downhill. you got no sources.
And, of course, the Chinese wouldn’t feel compelled to restrict market access if Chinese studios produced shows that, like the Korean dramas, viewers actually wanna watch.
Iceberg, I thought you knew that “Baduk” *is* a talking cat.
:o)
And, of course, the Chinese wouldn’t feel compelled to restrict market access if Chinese studios produced shows that, like the Korean dramas, viewers actually wanna watch.
Unlike, of course, Korea, which feels compelled to restrict market access even though Korean studios produced shows that Koreans like to watch.
Are you calling Baduk a pussy?
True enough.
slim, I think mahathir just got a B+ on his 7th grade social studies paper on China and is now eager to educate the world on how China really is by ravaging the internet to find any piece of irrelevant info on China then shove it into a whipped up theory.
“And I love both the CPC and KMT.” he said.
If that doesn’t indicate pre-secondary education I’m not sure what does.
In the grand tradition of skirting trade restrictions, a
Korean drama production company has set up shop in Shanghai.
An acquaintance of mine works there, and she says their first joint production — starring assorted Chinese and Korean actors, including Jang Nara — will be out in September.
“I think you love the IDEA of China, m_f, without ever having been there”
I have been to China. I visited Taipei several years ago. I have also visited Hong Kong SAR and Macao SAR.
Dangit!! Someone else made the obvious allusion to the screen quota system and the banning of Japanese ‘cultural imports’ before I could!
China sure does have a lots of SARS, doesn’t it? (Yes, I know, very dated joke.)
Well, you know, I love China. But this affair is a reminder why there are reasons to feel uneasy about growing Chinese prominence in and around Korea. China of the past was a universalistic empire, ready to accept everybody who shared its ideology (Sinocentric Confucianism). China of nowadays is a very large nation state which is every bit as nationalist as Korea. Both countries actually follow the patterns of nationalism once developed in Japan, without even admitting it. Most Koreans, alas, do not understand that when/if Chinese become really powerful they will treat Korea with all tricks the Koreans are so fond of themselves, and due to the difference in size and power, the results of such interaction will be extremely unpleasant for the Koreans. They are very fond of “Korean wave”, but also of screen quotas. Chinese are similar, for the time being.
“Some analysts believe the measure to be part of a growing anti-Korean Wave trend in China,”
then the anti-Korean wave must strictly be among government bureaucrats. If it was an anti-Korean wave among the populace no one would watch the shows, so individual stations would not want to then air the shows, and thus no need for a directive.
Believe me, almost the same number of people will still watch the Korean dramas as before. Its just that the government has ensured that the money will go into the hands of dvd pirates and not into the hands of the people who actually made the shows.
They pulled the Davinci code from theaters because it started to become too popular (although I was surprised the censors allowed it in the first place).
Good evening ladies and gentlemen, the conquest of the Korean peninsula begins in 5 minutes.
If there were a recommendation function on this blog, I’d rec #s 10, 17, and 18.
Lankov,
Unpleasant? It will be downright cruel.
Koreans suffered some cruel treatment under Japanese rule but the Chinese will be worse; the Chinese has 1/17 of what Koreans have and they are “peasants” with no education.
Plundering! Yes, everything. Raping? Yes, with no inhibition.
Koreans are in for real suffering.
Nice gravatar, Jing. Which is to take nothing away from Baduk’s cat.
1. china is going to be a problem for all of asia and not just korea.
2. koreans should really think long and hard on whether they should be pouring so much money into a future enemy. but then, the us should be thinking about the same thing.
3. plain and simple jealousy on the part of the chinese. how can they expect korea to import chinese shows when even the chinese don’t want to watch them?
4. screen quota and absolute ban are two different things. hollywood makes a good chunk of change in korea. so let’s stop mixing apples and oranges, ok?
5. korea had better wake up and stop allowing third parties to dictate the ways in which it can defend itself. in the end, korea can only rely on itself. korea must build a nuclear arsenal with the means to deliver them. of course, i’ll bet my bottom dollar that they’re already working to that end.
6. the koreans should start pirating their dvds in china so they can get some of the pie the chinese gov is baking.
6.
ps the quality of korean entertainment isn’t going down; it’s going up. too bad for the chinese.
This is the one thing I really don’t get about this whole deal. Korea does import Chinese shows… a lot of them. At least when I was in Korea, there were tons of (bad) Chinese shows on cable (stations like OCN).
Yes… I’m sorry for lumping the screen quota in with Korea’s ban on most Japanese TV shows and movies. I really do realize that they’re two very different creatures.
Korea has worked towards building a nuclear arsenal in the past. They (more or less) used it to blackmail the US into keeping the troops in Korea. I wonder where North Korea gets the idea that it can use the threat of developing nuclear weapons to blackmail other countries into doing what they want. South Korea could go nuclear fairly quickly if they really wanted to. They’ve already basically developed the technology to do it (the ‘non-sanctioned’ nuclear experiments reported to the IAEA back a couple years ago) and are just waiting for the need for them to become apparent.
“Most Koreans, alas, do not understand that when/if Chinese become really powerful they will treat Korea with all tricks the Koreans are so fond of themselves, and due to the difference in size and power, the results of such interaction will be extremely unpleasant for the Koreans.”
Lankov,
I would disagree with you on this. Your observation may be justified by history. But the future is different.
In the past, a strong China meant that Korea had to deal with this strong power and respect it.
However, in a more smaller world brought by technology and advancement in transportation, a stronger China will lead Korea into a position where it is faced by a multipolar power. That means more bargaining power for Korea.
Korea will very likely benefit from a stronger China because it can then bargain and negotiate on more equal terms with both China and the US.
Already, we can observe these tricks played out during the cold war. In Malaysia, we would go to the US when we need to get something. If the US doesn’t give us what we want, then we go on a shopping spree for Russian military equipment. If the Russians doesn’t give us what we want, we would go on a shopping spree for American military equipment. The Russians and Americans are left fighting amongst each other for our friendship and support.
In the end the competition among the superpowers eneabled us to gain more.
When China rises and become powerful, Korea will be that princess that will be wooed by China and the US. Both countries will then have to lavish great gifts to Korea in order to win over her love. And as long as Korea plays the card smartly and not lose her virginity to anyone, she can keep that game running for a long time.
2 things.
1) Firstly, I do not believe that the report is accurate. I can’t imagine china deciding to halt Korean drama imports. This is either a smear campaign or a misguided rumour. We;ll let time decide and then we can start the law suits. There is simply too many of them showing right now that to put everything to a complete halt is unthinkable.
“They pulled the Davinci code from theaters because it started to become too popular (although I was surprised the censors allowed it in the first place).”
2) Secondly, in my opinion the pulling of Davinci code was a mistkae by the Chiense authorities. The Davinci code is just the perfect movie for China to combat the illegal house church gatherings of Roman Catholics who foolishly allow themselves to be subordinated by the Vatican. All Chinese who pledge themselves to Roman Catholic church must watch this movie.
In fact, as a Christian who attended church all my life, I wished that my Malaysian pastor would watc this show. Throughout my teenage years, I was very critical about the bible. I argued with him many times that the bible is not necessarily God’s word, then every book was written by human beings and someone arbitrarily decided to incorporate those 66 books and call it the bible and there would be many forces political especially that compelled them to incorporate certain books and reject others. Christianity(as well as other religions of that time) was also used as a way to subordinate the newly colonized lands to bring about obedience among the “peasants”. He was quite stubborn and insisted that I was wrong and that the people who did it did it “under the guidance of the Holy Spirit” and therefore the bible is still 100% God’s words. Pointing to the disagreement between Paul and Peter on circumcision wasn’t enough to win him over. I’m very glad that they made the movie DaVinci, becauseas a devouted Christian, I believe that Christians ought to be more critical of our beliefs instead of blindly believing that everything in the bible is the truth.
“I argued with him many times that the bible is not necessarily God’s word, then every book was written by human beings and someone arbitrarily decided to incorporate those 66 books and call it the bible and there would be many forces political especially that compelled them to incorporate certain books and reject others. Christianity(as well as other religions of that time) was also used as a way to subordinate the newly colonized lands to bring about obedience among the “peasants”. He was quite stubborn and insisted that I was wrong and that the people who did it did it “under the guidance of the Holy Spirit” and therefore the bible is still 100% God’s words. Pointing to the disagreement between Paul and Peter on circumcision wasn’t enough to win him over. I’m very glad that they made the movie DaVinci, becauseas a devouted Christian, I believe that Christians ought to be more critical of our beliefs instead of blindly believing that everything in the bible is the truth.”
/wrote Mahathir_fan.
/wjk writes, Mahathir_fan, there are other “lost” books of the Bible that didn’t make the cut into the Bible. Such as the Gospel of Judas Iscariot, “the other Children of Adam and Eve”, etc. In fact many books are not incorporated into the Bible. To a conventional Christian, the mere fact that people somehow managed to choose which to add or not to add to the 66 books (more to the Old Testament if you’re Catholic, but the real miracle is the unanimous decision on which made the cut into the New Testament) is God’s guidance and a miracle. True, people wrote them, but under God’s guidance. Thus, Christians believe this is God’s word. To the Jews, except for the Ten Commandments, all the writing was done by Jewish people under the guidance of God. Some New Testament books didn’t affirm that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one and the same. Trinity is a crazy idea just by logic alone without faith. How is the Da Vinci Code beneficial to the faith at all? It strings together some art works, which portrayed an ancient persecuted idea that Jesus slept with Mary Magdalene and had a child. Long rejected by the church. The Da Vinci Code is not proof. It’s just a demonstration that some people believe this idea.
Some books no doubt claimed that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. These books were no doubt not included in the New Testament.
To a Christian, protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, or Coptic, only a vicious group of people seeking to undermine the faith would claim that the Trinity is false, Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, and that Jesus slept with a woman and had a child. Because the whole point is that Jesus was God, who came to die for man, but beat death, and Jesus was special, because he was man, but he committed no sin. If Jesus had no sin, what business did he have in secretly sleeping with a woman? He should have married her in a clear ceremony in front of all, not a secret love life. That’s what I have to say.
xi, tell us what Gao Li Bang Zhi means. We’re all adults here. I won’t say anything bad to you, that’s my promise to you.
Also, God himself happenned to write something the “writing on the wall”, it’s in the Old Testament.
I apologize for my statement, I don’t like the Chinese. But I still hate Mao, very strongly.
To a conventional Christian, the mere fact that people somehow managed to choose which to add or not to add to the 66 books (more to the Old Testament if you’re Catholic, but the real miracle is the unanimous decision on which made the cut into the New Testament) is God’s guidance and a miracle.
You call it a ‘miracle’, while history calls it a ’schism’. The decision was unanimous largely because those who didn’t agree were kicked out of the church (and later persecuted).
Only a vicious group of people… or a non-Christian of just about any flavour. Or people who ask too many questions. Or many Christians who don’t fit into the group of “protestant, Catholic, Orthodox or Coptic”.
@Nulji: “3. plain and simple jealousy on the part of the chinese. how can they expect korea to import chinese shows when even the chinese don’t want to watch them? “
What qualifies you to to comment on what Chinese viewers do and do not watch? Television is regulated by the government, but piracy is a free market of sorts. Judging by the selection in local bootleg DVD shops, Chinese dramas are far more popular than Korean dramas.
“6. the koreans should start pirating their dvds in china so they can get some of the pie the chinese gov is baking. “
Good luck competing with Chinese DVD pirates
@Mahathir_fan: “When China rises and become powerful, Korea will be that princess that will be wooed by China and the US. Both countries will then have to lavish great gifts to Korea in order to win over her love. And as long as Korea plays the card smartly and not lose her virginity to anyone, she can keep that game running for a long time. “
The last time Korea was “wooed” by great powers was at the turn of the 20th Century, and “virgin” Chosun was ravished by Japan.
@Xi: “Gao Li Bang Zi”
English translation: Korean hillbillies.
Koreans in China commonly call the Chinese “manmande” 慢慢地, (slowly) and in the Korean language, the word “ddae” 때, which means “filth,” is an anti-Chinese slur.
I guess every group of language speakers has its bigots.
“The last time Korea was “wooed” by great powers was at the turn of the 20th Century, and “virgin” Chosun was ravished by Japan.”
At the turn of the 20th century, there were Russian, Chinese and Japanese troops all over Chosun. Chosun was the “whore” rather than the “virgin”.
Glad you enjoy it Marmot. Shes one of the Chinese peasant girls who will no doubt be plundering and raping Korea in the near future.
You know, I’ve written before that it would be unlikely that the PRC would simply annex North Korea but now I wish it wasn’t so. Bei chaoxian tebie xingzhengqu has a catchy sound to it and maybe all those old koguryo ruins can be remade into Chinese theme parks. If anything, it would amuse me beyond description to hear the howls of impotent outrage from Korean netizens. That would be worth it alone
Chinese TV serials are popular enough that there are no fewer than three cable channels on the system I subscribe to devoted to them.
Of course nulji is spouting off from the U.S., so he wouldn’t know that.
‘chinese serials are popular enough that there are no more than three cable channels…’
the article says that the chinese complain korea doesn’t import chinese dramas. who’s telling the truth here? is it the korea basher or the person writing the article?
why are the chinese doing what they’re doing? if chinese dramas are so much more popular, than why take the drastic measure of banning korean entertainment? this is not just a trade issue, this is a psychological issue for the chinese as well. now what that psychology is, i’m not sure since i’m now infomed that one, chinese like their dramas more than korean ones. and two, that korea does indeed import chinese dramas because you can see them on cable just like i can see shows from taiwan on cable (with translations and all).
‘pawi is in the us, spouting off about korea.’
well, you’re in korea. does that mean you will only spout off about korea? that would be aweful for you since you’d become that frog in the well you and your brothers are always talking about. your premise is ridiculous but then, look who i’m talking to.
sonagi, are you pamela crosley(sp?), the world renouned scholar on ne asian history?
btw, these chinese dramas on korean cable channels, where do they come from? do they come from mainland china or taiwan and hong kong?
i’d have the same question for pirated dvds.
China of the past was a universalistic empire, ready to accept everybody who shared its ideology (Sinocentric Confucianism). Lankov
Maybe China’s newly found universalistic ideology for the next century is Sinocentric Capitalism.
Personally I think, the Chinese in general dig all traits of Asian “modernity” which includes technological prowess, economic success and prestigous uber-nationalism. The first Asian nation to create this kind of modernity besides the Western variant of modernity was Japan. So it’s natural for neighbouring, culturally kin nations to emulate Japanese patterns of progress, but with distinctively different versions due to divergent social mentalities of the popoulace.
China’s regime, having the historical rivalry with Japan in mind, preliminarily approved Korean soap operas as useful cultural imports for preparing and preching the Chinese people about the positive effects of rapid economic growth. “Look at them lil’ Koreans, if they can accomplish such a wealthy and glossy lifestyle in a short time span, imagine what we Chinese can achieve!” For now, the CCP wants the Chinese populace to emancipate - still in their eyes, the Koreans are the lap dogs, who traditionally have to follow the Middle Kingdom and never vice versa. Only my two cents.
“Both countries actually follow the patterns of nationalism once developed in Japan”
Is nationalism something that can be “developed”?
Not really. If it is, perhaps Lankov could tell us how that can be achieved.
Is nationalism something that can be “developed”? gaemee
Don’t wanna do the queue-jumping before Prof. Lankov, but anyway, here’s my snippet.
The first academic theories of nationalism emerged in Europe during the 19th century. Exported to the rest of the world through colonialization or as an exchange of modern ideas about ethnicity and statehood.
How is it possible to “develop” nationalism, facism, communism or whatever? First they arise as academic ideas and theories, than they slowly trickle down to the public. It depends on many factors (that I can’t name:), how popular and real such ideas could become …
Still think Lee Tamahori is a Japanese-American, Froggie?
But you may have a point — I suppose China is not restricting the showing of North Korean dramas.
Dogbertt, I couldn’t get any NorK TV in Dandong or Tumen, nevermind the rest of China.
Xi,
Is that a threat?
China will always provide raw labor. That’s all. Sweat shop workers. Stupid robots. Grabage eaters.
As long as China stays as a Commie nation, bureaucracy will chock any real research and development.
Blocking Yahoo and google will not stop people’s advancement into a real world. They will start question why those Commie officials are getting fat paychecks while they toil and die in the factories.
People will rise up and kill Communist party pigs.
Jing,
Nice pair of uhm..baby food containers. They will feed a very happy and healthy baby.
As you can see, Jing, China is filled with people like Xi. Now, Xi has lived in the US for a while and as a result much better than the average Chinese.
Average Chineses are just as racistic as the Japanese. These two morans should fight each other and get shit. Out of ruins and deaths, a wisdom will be gleaned. “All people are created equal. So, be humble.”
I don’t think silicone is potable, Baduk.
I love China
The Chinese censors blocked “The da Vinci Code” and now Korean dramas, seems like they have good taste
I’m just curious– “Memoirs of a Geisha” count as Chinese import?
I thought that Korea showed lots of Chinese movies? Or, is this just about TV Dramas?
Anyway, “what goes around; comes around,” I guess.
Ok, So how do you add avatars here?
You need to head over to http://www.gravatar.com/ and register one.
Good for China for standing up against the greedy filthy Gaoli Bangzi. Xi
Said the Chinaman and drove away in his Hyundai sedan, driving past a huge SAMSUNG billboard to go to work at a LG home appliances factory…
China has many problems and it has not realized 1/10 of its poential. Xi
China’s poo-ential?
Congo has also many problems and it has not realized 1/10 of its potential.
sugar shin, well put about the congo, made me giggle. racism is awesome, every country is full of it, and we are all guilty of it.
I have refrained from commenting but I shall make a comment in hopes to not turn this into an ugly discussion.
First off, I am Chinese and I have never heard of the term Gao Li Bang Zhi. This could be because I am not from Mainland China.
Secondly, I would not be surprised if there is such a term. However, it should not be construed as ‘racism’. Chinese people from different parts of China do look down on each other. For example, Southern Chinese people are often considered “red necks” by Northern Chinese. Shanghainese Chinese for example, often lookdown on Chinese everywhere else for their lack of achievements. Hong Kong people at one time treated Mainlanders very rudely and some still do.
correct me if i’m wrong, but its not the exact racial phrases, but the overall attitude and sentiment that makes some statements racist. as i said before, it’s completely normal and we are all guilty of it, as long as we choose to embrace a certain heritage.
And, after all:
“There is no racism in China because we don’t have any black people.”
LOL,
Now I’m curious, What does “Gao Li Bang Zhi,” mean??
Xi: “Stupid Gaoli Bangzis, you who see China as your enemy will have an enemy, a formidble one, you will see.”
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LoL,
I don’t think people here are screaming against Chinese People. The problem is with the Government of China which has committed some horrific crimes against it’s own People.
“The problem is with the Government of China which has committed some horrific crimes against it’s own People.”
If you are refering to Tiananmen incident, then I would recommend that you actually watch the actual video footages instead of reading accounts.
I have seen many video footages and heard many eyewitness accounts to know that many were made up. “Hearing gun shots” became “soldiers firing at us”. “Bicycles lying on the ground” became “bodies lying on the ground”. There is a free PBS documentary and one of the eyewitness said that the PLA mowed down the ambulance but the video footages clearly showed the ambulance hitting a traffic light. It could not have been shot, because the crowds around that area would have started fleeing but they did not flee so the crowds knew no shots were being fired in their direction.
…and the “Great Leap Forward” and “Cultural Revolution” were made-up, as well. In fact, Mao never existed at all - he was actually a CIA agent named ‘Barry Chow’ who was planted in China in order to precipitate in split in the different communist countries. Obviously, China’s is the most stand-up, wonderful governments in the world.
““Great Leap Forward” and “Cultural Revolution” were made-up”
…and there was a regime change after that. Mao’s cohorts were all imprisoned after he died. So that score has been settled.
Ummm, not from what I’ve read. There is still a great silence regarding this period of time in China and will be so for as long as the current government feels vulnerable to criticism. Many graveyards that contained the people killed during that time have been reportedly destroyed in a rather methodical fashion.
Cemetery bears witness to Mao’s ruinous revolt
Here is a whole mess of articles regarding what is going on in PRC right now as well. Naturally, it is ALL fiction to some:
cicus.org
mahathir_fan:”I have seen many video footages and heard many eyewitness accounts to know that many were made up. “Hearing gun shots” became “soldiers firing at us”. “Bicycles lying on the ground” became “bodies lying on the ground”. There is a free PBS documentary and one of the eyewitness said that the PLA mowed down the ambulance but the video footages clearly showed the ambulance hitting a traffic light. It could not have been shot, because the crowds around that area would have started fleeing but they did not flee so the crowds knew no shots were being fired in their direction.”
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Help me out here, I mean, I’m still trying to figure out just what planet you’re from. I mean, I just can’t do it.
Unfortunately,
China is going to become a major, major problem for us in the near future.
Wanna to tell us why China is building such a hugh, modern Navy?
http://www.sinodefence.com/
LOL,
little Google serach got me this:
Modern day Korean population A IS BASTARDIZED MIX BREED RACE,whose women were raped by past CONQUERORS.
gao li bang zi ….. HA HA HA HA
Hwasan LEE clan’s progentitor WAS Vietnamese …… what a litter
Korean family registry even recorded Uigur/Chinese Muslims WERE A FEW PROGENITOR of Korean clans.
Koreans are BITTER PEOPLE,often honestly tell foreign nationals they hate their country history as semi-SLAVE or VASSAL STATE of nearby Asiatic Empires of the past.
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“Now I’m curious, What does “Gao Li Bang Zhi,” mean”
See post #32.
@M_F: “First off, I am Chinese and I have never heard of the term Gao Li Bang Zhi. This could be because I am not from Mainland China.
Secondly, I would not be surprised if there is such a term. However, it should not be construed as ‘racism’. Chinese people from different parts of China do look down on each other. “
I have heard of the term “gaolibangzi” although only in passing conversation, never directed at an individual. It is actually an insult used against North Koreans, who are not Chinese, so your whitewashing explanation doesn’t fit. Technically, it isn’t ‘racism’ since Chinese and Koreans are both northeast Asians. It is extremely derogatory and offensive.
You may be ethnic Chinese, but as you pointed out, you are not from mainland China, so it is not surprising you haven’t heard of this term. Ethnic Chinese in Malaysia would have no reason to use it.
BTW, I’m still waiting for that list of credible sources you use to keep informed about world events.
@Xi: Did you change your ID to Luxbearer? Nice gravatar! Makes me wanna break out in song:
没有共产党就没有新中国! With the Communist Party, there’d be no new China!
社会主义好! 社会主义好! Socialism is good!
东方红, 太阳升, 中国出了个毛泽东! The East is red, the sun is rising, China has borne Mao Ze Dong!
Oops, typo. The name of the first song should read “WithOUT the Communist Party…”
Sonagi wrote:
Technically, it isn’t ‘racism’ since Chinese and Koreans are both northeast Asians. It is extremely derogatory and offensive.
Though today we use “race” usually to refer to groups such as Whites, Blacks, and East Asians, in the past “race” was also a stand-in for ethnicity (e.g., “the German race”).
Race-as-ethnicity is outdated, but I believe the term “racism” came about in those days, and since a suitable word has not taken its place, it is reasonable to use the term “racism” to refer to ethnically discriminatory practices. In my ever so humble view.
well, what are the Chinese so proud of anyway? A fat portion of their history was ruled by foreign tribes, whom the Han Chinese regard as barbarians. And much of Chinese history was not even a unified China. Plus, Mao set them back in terms of education, technology, and progress. Why celebrate him? He starved and killed a lot of people, too. Due to his incompetence. Chinese have no interest in Korea? History clearly proves otherwise. Koreans have their own set of words putting down the Chinese just so that you know. You probably do.
I told my Hong Kong friend that I was gonna buy a Hyundai Accent. Dude says, don’t buy that piece of shit. Buy a Chevy Aveo. I tell him that’s a South Korean car made by GM-Daewoo in Bu Pyong , South Korea.
I told my Pops, the Chinese look down on us. Pops says, it’s mutual. That’s the way it is, folks.
oh, by the way, yesterday while my Pops and my uncle were getting drunk together, they said that Roh Moo Hyun mother actually married 3 times, and that Roh Moo Hyun is actually a person of Jeolla province origin. Plus, no one is actually sure who is his father. They agreed that’s why Roh was brought up to be a commy, jealous of rich people, and devoid of proper parental supervision.
I was sitting at the same table, but I didn’t believe much of it. Plus, it seemed incredibly entertaining that it sounded pretty much exactly the same as Kim Dae Jung’s birth history.
Anyone heard about this or have any proof of this story? I doubt it is true.
anyone? Any proof of the alleged birth histories of Kim or Roh? I’ve ran into Kim rumors many times on sites like chosun.com’s comment sections. But the Roh one was a 1st. Both seem unlikely.
traditionally, one of the biggest insults to a man in Korea is to say to his face, You don’t have a father.
is WJK Nulji?
You know, I’m beginning to understand why so many expats here find kyopos so fucking obnoxious.
wjk is not nulji
Roh Moo Hyun looks like he was born under a toadstool.
Most Chinese people hate Korean dramas.
一群蠢货 高丽棒子
还有几个假洋鬼子
i am chinese and i grew up in china.i think i should state some truth here.
actually a few years back korean shows were very popular in china.i myself watched some of them , and they were good , and different than our own shows.
but recently ,many people start to get bored by these shows which seem to be repeating themselves.if you go to a chinese bbs you will see people’s attitude:many want these shows to disappear.but then of course those posting opinions on the internet are mostly young people.
besides, the way i know it, it’s the koreans who first started banning chinese shows,when in 1998 a chinese show named HUAN ZHU GE GE sweeped korean screen and the korean authorities felt threatened.i am not using this to justify the chinese government’s act ,just these things happen,don’t understand the big fuss.
i have never been to the us , and i am really shocked seeing how little you guys know about china ,how you perceive the chinese.guess we chinese are not doing enough to show the world who we really are.
as for the term gao li bang zi ,i can only say that i feel uncomfortible each time i see it .actually a lot of people in china do not approve of such rudeness.
Great Leap Forward” , “Cultural Revolution
,horrible crimes to its people….. yes.that’s why i love china , and i am proud to be chinese, but i do not have the same affection for the communist party.
last, i REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GUYS SEE US AS POTENTIAL ENEMY.the chinese people,the HAN peoplem have never been an agressive type,it’s just not in their genes.anyway ,read some classic chinese literuture and you can get a glimpse of the essence of the national character.
translation of #78: A bunch of idiot Korean hicks and several false foreigners.
Actually, #78 called us “false Western devils” not just foreigners.
How’d China get to be such a big country, then? Did all the little countries that used to exist in the area get together for a sing-a-long and just spontaneously decide to unite under a common leader? You don’t get to rule an empire as big as (or bigger than) the USA without aggressiveness and bloodshed. I really don’t have anything against China or Chinese people (although the current government could all go jump off a cliff and I wouldn’t shed a tear), but it’s laughable to insist that there’s any group in the history of the world that’s ‘never been aggressive’. Well, I suppose there might have been at some point in the past, but that society probably got enslaved/exterminated fairly quickly by its mean bastards of neighbors.
#78 reminds me of how easy it is to avoid pointed questions and discussion by using perjorative name-calling so as to dismiss any real discussion — unless one can just severely beat the hell out of someone and paralyze them for life: A Chinese campaigner for people displaced by the Three Gorges Dam has been beaten up soon after he was called in by police
The German Government actually raised the money for the man’s surgery. Germany 1, China 0
hi,everybody,I agree with inasmiles.
In fact, Korea halted Chinese dramas at first,because HUAN ZHU GEGE was very popular in Korea.
But I think it’s not a good idea to halt Korea dramas , it’s silly… many Chinese people really have bored of them.
The important reason of Korea trend is the bad relation between China and Japan(I like Japanese dramas …..),and Korea dramas is cheap and long.
Now Korea want to sell their dramas in high price,but Korea dramas really boring(most of them are tringle relationships ,cinderella stories,and so on…)…not only in China mainland but also in HongkONG,taiwan,The Korea trend is not so hot as before.
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How’d China get to be such a big country, then?
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do you know Qingshihuang?
He was the first emperor who united China in 211 B.C.,since then,most of the time ,China was a united country(similar country earth as now ),China almost never inavded other countries.
China didn’t gain earth by war or by buying…in nineteen century,eight western countries invaded China, fired Yuanmingyuan,it’s one of the most beautiful Palaces in the world,Victor Hugo wrote an article to show the angry of this misery.And Japanese ….Chinese people can’t forget the hurt even now.Shame,miserable, for a long period of time.Chinese peolpe love peace,hate war,but we won’t scared by war.
And do you know the Great Wall?
it is for defending not for attacting.
it’s the symbol of national character.
do you know Zhenghe?
He lived in Ming Dynasty,he found American,before Columbus,he sailed for trading ,not for war,and what did Spanish and Portugal do?
I wonder western world know of China less than Chinese know of western world.
China was ahead of the world in the past for such a long time ,now she is only trying to keep the pace of the world.China isn’t a small country,and China has her own history and culture,she should has her right place.
Chinese people are hardworking and modest,and hospitable.
If you want to know more of Chinese,I recommend Linyutang’s”my country and my people”,it was written in English more than fifty years before,but still wise enouth and easy for foreigners to understand.
Chines threating is not new .
I can understand thoese worries:oil,resourses,profits,and so on,and China isn’t a so-called democratic country.democracy,it’s a complicated problem to discuss,… I only want to say that what you think the best,if it’s really the best?and if there is only one way in the world to reach something?
I read the Bible,but I am a Confucian.(btw,I can go to church if I want,nobody will put me into prison…)
The world is not one pole.
Taiji,it’s the imagine of Daoism,two fish together,it means yin&yang,life&death,this &that,to be ¬ to be,beautiful&ugly,they can change each other under some conditions.
Chinese has her own wisdom,her tradition lost in past 100years,now she try to regain.
Western people always think “dragon” is “long”,and it’s the symbol of China,it’s vicious and powerful,fire in mouth,but in China ,”Long” is not “dragon”,Long’s image is different from the western “dragon”, “Long”is the tatoo of China, it’s not a real animal,it has deer’s horns，snake’s neck,rabbit’s eyes,camel’s head……
it’s powerful ,not vicious.it’s golden,not dark,it’s beautiful ,not ugly.
Misunderstanding is everywhere.
We need communicate .
(I can explain “gao li bang zi”,it’s not a good word to call Korea people,I think every country has such unkind words.It came from the world war 2,in eastnorth of China,there were many Korea people helped Japanese to control Chinese,Chinese hated them,called them “gao li bang zi”,because they always had a “bangzi” in hand，“bangzi”means bar,Korea people beated Chinese by it,and “gao li”is Korea,so , “gao li bang zi” .)
SOOOOOLONG,Sorry for my English,I had try my best…hope you guys can understand^^
oh,I dont know here is Korea ,maybe I needn’t say so much.:P
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Already, we can observe these tricks played out during the cold war. In Malaysia, we would go to the US when we need to get something. If the US doesn’t give us what we want, then we go on a shopping spree for Russian military equipment. If the Russians doesn’t give us what we want, we would go on a shopping spree for American military equipment. The Russians and Americans are left fighting amongst each other for our friendship and support.
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yes,it’s a good way for a country living in several big countries ,and it’s also very dangerous.
nice lil brief history there laurawang. i know korean dramas are going downhill, in my opinion those long dragging, sad miniseries were a fad. the more innovative, witty, love stories with comic relief (shinip-sawon, samsoon, yuneh-shideh) seemed to do very well in korea, not sure if they were exported out to neighboring countries.
i am pretty sure that korea is among the leaders in movie entertainment though.
tai chi is how it is known in america. taiji is my idol and hero, seo taiji. he can probably win a cult over and overthrow the shitty roh administration.
I think the Chinese in China are getting a selective history education. After Qin
, came the Han Dynasty.
Then, comes the Sui Dynasty,
which wages 2 large scale wars against Koguryo, a Korean state.
Then, comes Tang China.
They send soldiers to ally with Shilla of Korea to defeat 2 Korean kingdoms, Paekjae and Koguryo. After this, Koreans lose power in North Korea for at least 500 years and lose Manchuria permanently.
As you can see at this point, Han Chinese power is all about peace and non invasion of neighboring countries. They don’t want the barbarian’s land. The Yellow River and the Yangtze River lands are the only lands they’re interested in, and that’s where civilized people live.
The comes the Song dynasty.
Don’t let the shrunken map fool you. The Chinese had to retreat to the bread and butter land of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River, because the barbarian forces of the North become quite strong by this time. These include the Manchus, the Mongols, and the Khitans.
Then, Song finally falls, and the barbarian forces of the Mongols rule not only China, but much more, more than Tang did.
Korean kings of Koryo become ethinically half Mongol by requirement to marry Mongol princesses only, and Koryo loses supreme military command to the Mongols. Some pro-Japanese westerners say Korea is responsible for the Korean-Mongol invasions on Japan, but remember that Korea didn’t have a choice. I might add that dating back to unified Shilla, Korea paid whoever was in power in China with yearly tributaries in money, rice, produce, and most likely women.
I think I know for sure the Mongols required women to be sent, so that they could be given away in marriage. How pleasant.
Then comes the Ming dynasty.
Don’t let the shrunken map fool you. Same situation as Song. Northern babarians are too powerful to controlled. Japan invades Korea. Ming aids Korea, but makes sure it gets paid in rice, produce, etc.
The time of the Manchurians have come. They establish the Qing Dynasty.
The Manchus subdue Korea’s Chosun kingdom by force and Koreans agree to pay tributaries to the non-Hans. Historically, the Koreans would refuse to become tributaries to non-Hans, because of feelings that non-Hans are barbarians, and Koreans feel some sense of racial superiority to them. The Mongols and the Manchus teach the Koreans that should not be the case by force.
Anyway, I am convinced the Chinese are getting a selective historical education, much like the Koreans and the Chinese are getting a selective historical education.
Look up the history of Vietnam. I think they pride themselves that they defeated Chinese invasions a couple times.
History
Main article: History of Vietnam
The famous Vietnamese legend tells that the Vietnamese people of various tribes were born from the same womb by the marriage of Lạc Long Quân (Dragon Chief) and Âu Cơ. However, most Vietnamese historians consider the Dong Son civilization that covered much of Southeast Asia to be the beginning of Vietnam’s history. In 208 BC, a Qin general named Triệu Đà (Zhao Tuo) established a country called Nam Việt which encompassed Southern China and the Red River Delta. The historical significance of the original Nam Việt remains controversial because some historians consider it a Chinese occupation while some believe it was an independent era.
///What is known for sure is that for most of the period from 207 BC to the early 10th century, it was under the rule of successive Chinese Dynasties. Sporadic independence movements were attempted, but were quickly extinguished by Chinese forces. In 939, the Vietnamese defeated Chinese forces at the Bạch Đằng River and gained independence. They gained complete autonomy a century later. During the rule of the Trần Dynasty, it defeated three Mongol attempts of invasion by the Yuan Dynasty. ///
When I was a South Korean kid in 86 to 91, we watched a lot of Hong Kong films and listened to Hong Kong artists. Just so that you know.
Do u guys notice that u all think too much?
Do u know for how many year China did import the dramas from no country but South Korea?
EIGHT years!
Many of us get sick of this only kind of drama. Thousands of dramas, only one topic : love story happened in four guys. In most of the BBS in China, big and small, the complains r everywhere.
Personally, I dislike Korea drama. I used to watched American drama and Japanese drama in TV. When the TV chanals were all of Korean ones, I tried to appreciate them, but unsuccessfully. I am lucky coz I can recieve the Hongkong TV chanals, or the internet would be the only way I see the foreign drama.
I commit, the Chinese gov was stupid, import nothing but Korean drama is a prove. But it is a little better now, this halt of Korean dramas is good sign. I hope the bureau can import more drama who will not insult our intelligence. That is what Korean drama r doing.
And, I don’t understand why Korean accuse us about this, while they r trying everything to keep their local films quota?
“And, I don’t understand why Korean accuse us about this, while they r trying everything to keep their local films quota?”
Tell that to the U.S. trade reps negotiating an FTA with S. Korea….
What with the gender imbalance in the P.R.C., I’m surprised that’s not the most popular genre.
hahahhaha oh man that gave me a good laugh
[b]When I was a South Korean kid in 86 to 91, we watched a lot of Hong Kong films and listened to Hong Kong artists. Just so that you know. [/b]
yeah until seotaiji came out in 92
I meant the Chinese are getting a selective history education, much like the Koreans and the Japanese.
I forgot to mention, Qing’s last attempts to control Chosun Korea by warring with the Russians and the Japanese, and the hated Mao’s involvement in the Korean War, effectively securing Nor