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		<title>By: Remort</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/09/well-at-least-theyre-not-sending-over-terrorists/#comment-37856</link>
		<dc:creator>Remort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For quite some time U.S. employers have had to fax or mail in new employees' social security numbers.  They don't care if the same number comes up 1,000 times.

I've heard the estimated number of "illegals" in the U.S. is above 20 million people.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50 million .

--Remort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For quite some time U.S. employers have had to fax or mail in new employees&#8217; social security numbers.  They don&#8217;t care if the same number comes up 1,000 times.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the estimated number of &#8220;illegals&#8221; in the U.S. is above 20 million people.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it was 50 million .</p>
<p>&#8211;Remort</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/09/well-at-least-theyre-not-sending-over-terrorists/#comment-37837</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please stop the name-calling, folks.  You only make yourselves look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please stop the name-calling, folks.  You only make yourselves look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Castorp</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/09/well-at-least-theyre-not-sending-over-terrorists/#comment-37771</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Castorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr. Hans GB, you contemptible cunt&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just the sort of language one would expect of a braindead cockroach apologist for a contemptible racist; save your idiotic rants for someone stupid enough to think it legitimate to assign merit or blame to others based merely on accidents of nationality: I don't care what country you come from, you'd still be a mannerless idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mr. Hans GB, you contemptible cunt</p></blockquote>
<p>Just the sort of language one would expect of a braindead cockroach apologist for a contemptible racist; save your idiotic rants for someone stupid enough to think it legitimate to assign merit or blame to others based merely on accidents of nationality: I don&#8217;t care what country you come from, you&#8217;d still be a mannerless idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;"The U.S. government has tried that. Since the IRCA came into force in 1986, employers are required at the time of hiring to confirm the employee’s citizenship status and are subject to fines, with some employers having been fined millions of dollars for having hired illegal aliens"&lt;/b&gt;

With 6 million undocumented workers, obviously the government isn't trying hard enough to crack down.  If Uncle Sam's spooks can pour through billions of google searches and tens of millions of mobile phone records, one wonders why it's so easy for 6 million Mexicans and Central Americans to work in plain sight.  Let's just admit that the present system is not working and introduce a guest worker program, which Canada has already done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;The U.S. government has tried that. Since the IRCA came into force in 1986, employers are required at the time of hiring to confirm the employee’s citizenship status and are subject to fines, with some employers having been fined millions of dollars for having hired illegal aliens&#8221;</b></p>
<p>With 6 million undocumented workers, obviously the government isn&#8217;t trying hard enough to crack down.  If Uncle Sam&#8217;s spooks can pour through billions of google searches and tens of millions of mobile phone records, one wonders why it&#8217;s so easy for 6 million Mexicans and Central Americans to work in plain sight.  Let&#8217;s just admit that the present system is not working and introduce a guest worker program, which Canada has already done.</p>
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		<title>By: Remort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogbertt wrote:
"That’s all well and good, but maybe if they’d work that hard in Mexico itself, they could build up that country and we wouldn’t have such an immigration problem."

Mexico has absolutely no opportunities for social mobility.  If you're born poor, you die poor, the same goes with the upper class, born rich, you die rich.  There is no middle-class in Mexico at all.

The problem is, politically and economically, President Fox of Mexico wants to totally deny any sort of social benefits to its peasantry population, except for the 3% of the population that is in the upper-class which really doesn't need any assistance.  Meanwhile, something like 20 to 40% of all Mexican citizens are residing in the U.S. either legally or illegally, while the U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for their social services and healthcare.  This is not to say that Mexicans are the only culprits in the illegal immigration matter, but they do make up the vast majoritiy of "illegals" in the U.S.

In no way, shape or form can Mexico be considered a "poor" country.  Inevitably, this social inbalance will most likely lead to a revolution in Mexico, and probably one in China too in the very near future, as the US more closely scrutinizes its trade and immigration policies.

It doesn't matter where you are in the world, if people are uneducated and unwilling to fight for their rights, others will continue to exploit and profit from their labor.

&lt;strong&gt;dogbertt &#38; Zonath:&lt;/strong&gt;

Also, the U.S. government has focused on the illegal immigration problem by conducting nationwide raids on businesses over the last few months.  However, in every single instance, the government agents have simply processed the illegal workers making sure they don't have any warrants or criminal records, and then simply released them.  In some instances, token fines were handed out to the employers.

--Remort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogbertt wrote:<br />
&#8220;That’s all well and good, but maybe if they’d work that hard in Mexico itself, they could build up that country and we wouldn’t have such an immigration problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mexico has absolutely no opportunities for social mobility.  If you&#8217;re born poor, you die poor, the same goes with the upper class, born rich, you die rich.  There is no middle-class in Mexico at all.</p>
<p>The problem is, politically and economically, President Fox of Mexico wants to totally deny any sort of social benefits to its peasantry population, except for the 3% of the population that is in the upper-class which really doesn&#8217;t need any assistance.  Meanwhile, something like 20 to 40% of all Mexican citizens are residing in the U.S. either legally or illegally, while the U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for their social services and healthcare.  This is not to say that Mexicans are the only culprits in the illegal immigration matter, but they do make up the vast majoritiy of &#8220;illegals&#8221; in the U.S.</p>
<p>In no way, shape or form can Mexico be considered a &#8220;poor&#8221; country.  Inevitably, this social inbalance will most likely lead to a revolution in Mexico, and probably one in China too in the very near future, as the US more closely scrutinizes its trade and immigration policies.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter where you are in the world, if people are uneducated and unwilling to fight for their rights, others will continue to exploit and profit from their labor.</p>
<p><strong>dogbertt &amp; Zonath:</strong></p>
<p>Also, the U.S. government has focused on the illegal immigration problem by conducting nationwide raids on businesses over the last few months.  However, in every single instance, the government agents have simply processed the illegal workers making sure they don&#8217;t have any warrants or criminal records, and then simply released them.  In some instances, token fines were handed out to the employers.</p>
<p>&#8211;Remort</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Zonath, I’ve wondered myself why the government doesn’t focus more on the employers rather than the employees…I don’t get it. If they really want to make illegal labor stop, then make it unprofitable to the employers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The U.S. government has tried that.  Since the IRCA came into force in 1986, employers are required at the time of hiring to confirm the employee's citizenship status and are subject to fines, with some employers having been fined millions of dollars for having hired illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Zonath, I’ve wondered myself why the government doesn’t focus more on the employers rather than the employees…I don’t get it. If they really want to make illegal labor stop, then make it unprofitable to the employers.</p></blockquote>
<p>The U.S. government has tried that.  Since the IRCA came into force in 1986, employers are required at the time of hiring to confirm the employee&#8217;s citizenship status and are subject to fines, with some employers having been fined millions of dollars for having hired illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: Origami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh:

Ah, Mr. Hans Great Britain.

I am not American. I dislike the American Republican party. I wish Gore would have won….

Mr. Hans GB, you contemptible cunt,

- would the continent that slaughtered Africa please hold your tongue when you feel like self-righteous denunciations of America?

- would the continent that enslaved Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Vietnam, Cambodia, Sudan, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya and Madagascar please refrain from slavery? Would the European continent stop slavery on it’s doorstep. Islam = slavery in Africa, that is all.


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You left out Irish Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh:</p>
<p>Ah, Mr. Hans Great Britain.</p>
<p>I am not American. I dislike the American Republican party. I wish Gore would have won….</p>
<p>Mr. Hans GB, you contemptible cunt,</p>
<p>- would the continent that slaughtered Africa please hold your tongue when you feel like self-righteous denunciations of America?</p>
<p>- would the continent that enslaved Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Vietnam, Cambodia, Sudan, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya and Madagascar please refrain from slavery? Would the European continent stop slavery on it’s doorstep. Islam = slavery in Africa, that is all.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>You left out Irish Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn, while i don't want to believe that's true, actions speak louder than words and big brother hasn't given us a reason yet to believe that they are serious...so with that said, what do we do?  as paranoid as the "minutiamen" seem do u think they will force the government's hand or will state governments?  Personally I think Bush's plan is a great one...the only great thing he has ever come up with perhaps.  I just don't think it stands any chance of passing the bullwarks of Congress.  We are going to have even bigger problems down the road if we can't recognize the people we ought to be friendly towards in order to distinguish them from the real creeps we need to keep out.  Maintaining the status quo is just pissing on everybody...Citizens, Legals, Illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn, while i don&#8217;t want to believe that&#8217;s true, actions speak louder than words and big brother hasn&#8217;t given us a reason yet to believe that they are serious&#8230;so with that said, what do we do?  as paranoid as the &#8220;minutiamen&#8221; seem do u think they will force the government&#8217;s hand or will state governments?  Personally I think Bush&#8217;s plan is a great one&#8230;the only great thing he has ever come up with perhaps.  I just don&#8217;t think it stands any chance of passing the bullwarks of Congress.  We are going to have even bigger problems down the road if we can&#8217;t recognize the people we ought to be friendly towards in order to distinguish them from the real creeps we need to keep out.  Maintaining the status quo is just pissing on everybody&#8230;Citizens, Legals, Illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm of the opinion that the government doesn't really want to stop illegal immigration, but also doesn't want to be seen as not doing anything to stop it.  So, they pick a relatively ineffective method to show Joe America that they are indeed doing something, even while making sure that they're not hurting the pocketbooks of their friends in the farming lobbies, the retail lobbies, etc...   In other words, they know that they're not really doing anything substantive, but at least when they 'fail' they have something to point to in order to show the constituency that at least they 'tried'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that the government doesn&#8217;t really want to stop illegal immigration, but also doesn&#8217;t want to be seen as not doing anything to stop it.  So, they pick a relatively ineffective method to show Joe America that they are indeed doing something, even while making sure that they&#8217;re not hurting the pocketbooks of their friends in the farming lobbies, the retail lobbies, etc&#8230;   In other words, they know that they&#8217;re not really doing anything substantive, but at least when they &#8216;fail&#8217; they have something to point to in order to show the constituency that at least they &#8216;tried&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zonath, I've wondered myself why the government doesn't focus more on the employers rather than the employees...I don't get it.  If they really want to make illegal labor stop, then make it unprofitable to the employers...So does the government really want it to stop?  Maybe big business is more important to them than their citizens security...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zonath, I&#8217;ve wondered myself why the government doesn&#8217;t focus more on the employers rather than the employees&#8230;I don&#8217;t get it.  If they really want to make illegal labor stop, then make it unprofitable to the employers&#8230;So does the government really want it to stop?  Maybe big business is more important to them than their citizens security&#8230;</p>
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