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	<title>Comments on: Korean election koan:  What is the sound of one party spanking?</title>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Uri finally breaks up</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/06/01/korean-election-koan-what-is-the-sound-of-one-party-spanking/#comment-60569</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Uri finally breaks up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They had wounded the Democratic Party in 2004 but failed to kill it.  The Democrats just waited in for Uri to spend itself before striking back.  That time came in the local elections last spring, which the GNP dominated.  The Democrats picked up as many seats as Uri, despite having about half the total voter support.  As I said back then: Do you want to know why Uri likes proportional representation? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They had wounded the Democratic Party in 2004 but failed to kill it.  The Democrats just waited in for Uri to spend itself before striking back.  That time came in the local elections last spring, which the GNP dominated.  The Democrats picked up as many seats as Uri, despite having about half the total voter support.  As I said back then: Do you want to know why Uri likes proportional representation? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kunsanpcv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kunsanpcv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago a Korean commentator noted that "Korea has Space Age economics, but Stone Age politics."  It seems that little has really changed over the years.  A major problem is that almost all political parties serve merely as the vehicles for personal advancement and are only weakly linked to grass-roots constituencies.  Changing ruling parties usually means little more than changing the hogs at the trough.  I too hope that the incompetent dopes of the Uri party will be replaced by more sensible and professional governors, but I would not bet that will be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago a Korean commentator noted that &#8220;Korea has Space Age economics, but Stone Age politics.&#8221;  It seems that little has really changed over the years.  A major problem is that almost all political parties serve merely as the vehicles for personal advancement and are only weakly linked to grass-roots constituencies.  Changing ruling parties usually means little more than changing the hogs at the trough.  I too hope that the incompetent dopes of the Uri party will be replaced by more sensible and professional governors, but I would not bet that will be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugar Shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sugar Shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of Couse SugarShin,
Lives in the Socialist Republic of Germany where unemploymeny rate is 11%.
Wouldn’t surprise me if is living on generous welfare benefits there with the rest of them Turks.&lt;/i&gt; Origami

Educate yourself about Germany's economic model before scribbling your rubbish about "Socialist Republic of Germany": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#Economy

Wow,  an hattrick deffamation trial against Germany, the Turkish immigrant minority and me (but I'm not that important). That's rich, bitch! Be surprised, I am employed and working for my money.

Ok, c'm on guys, nobody in the mood for a little bit of blasphemy? Thought that "Scarface"-line would be funny, but for all those complaining commentators here, I say:
"써리!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Of Couse SugarShin,<br />
Lives in the Socialist Republic of Germany where unemploymeny rate is 11%.<br />
Wouldn’t surprise me if is living on generous welfare benefits there with the rest of them Turks.</i> Origami</p>
<p>Educate yourself about Germany&#8217;s economic model before scribbling your rubbish about &#8220;Socialist Republic of Germany&#8221;: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#Economy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany#Economy</a></p>
<p>Wow,  an hattrick deffamation trial against Germany, the Turkish immigrant minority and me (but I&#8217;m not that important). That&#8217;s rich, bitch! Be surprised, I am employed and working for my money.</p>
<p>Ok, c&#8217;m on guys, nobody in the mood for a little bit of blasphemy? Thought that &#8220;Scarface&#8221;-line would be funny, but for all those complaining commentators here, I say:<br />
&#8220;써리!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HansaraminVancouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>HansaraminVancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideology fade away by daily economic concerns. Yet, Uri survived by people's ego in cholla minkook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideology fade away by daily economic concerns. Yet, Uri survived by people&#8217;s ego in cholla minkook.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baduk, on this I think you're absolutely right.  I didn't mean to say the GNP's pro-american, anti-communist stance wasn't real.  To the contrary; I'm simply saying it sometimes seems like that is ALL they are without any other political ideas.  

Again, as for there being no better option that is also true.  However, GNP needs to get past being solely anti-communist and start fostering some integrity within their party.  I wonder if GNP is really concerned about abusing their power, even if done in the name of anti-communist efforts.  I'd like to see them be anti-communist, small-government AND honest.  We'll see ab out that though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baduk, on this I think you&#8217;re absolutely right.  I didn&#8217;t mean to say the GNP&#8217;s pro-american, anti-communist stance wasn&#8217;t real.  To the contrary; I&#8217;m simply saying it sometimes seems like that is ALL they are without any other political ideas.  </p>
<p>Again, as for there being no better option that is also true.  However, GNP needs to get past being solely anti-communist and start fostering some integrity within their party.  I wonder if GNP is really concerned about abusing their power, even if done in the name of anti-communist efforts.  I&#8217;d like to see them be anti-communist, small-government AND honest.  We&#8217;ll see ab out that though.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hannara's pro-American and anti-communist stance is real.  After all, if you are a sane Korean, what other option is out there?  None.  Am I saying Uri politicians are insane?  Yes, they are filled with 1960 Commie manifestos and they don't know what they are doing.  They have to catch up to 2000s.

The kiss of death for them was their blind love toward KJI.  They hate SK dictators with maximum prejudice and yet love the Northern dictator with open arms? WTF!  Insane!

Do you know why they are such schizos?  It's because the party is run by Jolla Commies headed by Kim DaeJung.  That is why.  In this election, people said no more bullshit and whipped Uri, Kim and KJI.

Meanwhile, the biggest problem for Hannara is that people still look at them as descendents of former dictators.  With the daughter of former dictator(the one who started it all) at the helm, it is difficult to say the party is for the people.  This stigma will not go away.  It is too much burden for Hannara to carry.  People will suspect the party to be less than sincere. And, they may be right!  Hannara lied big time four years ago about political contribution.  The party still has too many old and dirty stoggies who have served under military dictators.  Their evil acts will be revealed in full scale when they take official posts in coming government.  It is akin to former Nazi officers taking  present German government posts.  People will be outraged!

Fresh start is desperately needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hannara&#8217;s pro-American and anti-communist stance is real.  After all, if you are a sane Korean, what other option is out there?  None.  Am I saying Uri politicians are insane?  Yes, they are filled with 1960 Commie manifestos and they don&#8217;t know what they are doing.  They have to catch up to 2000s.</p>
<p>The kiss of death for them was their blind love toward KJI.  They hate SK dictators with maximum prejudice and yet love the Northern dictator with open arms? WTF!  Insane!</p>
<p>Do you know why they are such schizos?  It&#8217;s because the party is run by Jolla Commies headed by Kim DaeJung.  That is why.  In this election, people said no more bullshit and whipped Uri, Kim and KJI.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the biggest problem for Hannara is that people still look at them as descendents of former dictators.  With the daughter of former dictator(the one who started it all) at the helm, it is difficult to say the party is for the people.  This stigma will not go away.  It is too much burden for Hannara to carry.  People will suspect the party to be less than sincere. And, they may be right!  Hannara lied big time four years ago about political contribution.  The party still has too many old and dirty stoggies who have served under military dictators.  Their evil acts will be revealed in full scale when they take official posts in coming government.  It is akin to former Nazi officers taking  present German government posts.  People will be outraged!</p>
<p>Fresh start is desperately needed.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand the sentiment those have who think GNP might screw this opportunity over with such a big win and blow their chance to grab the blue house and assembly.  I'm not sure though how much of an affect this is going to have on national politics.  

Is GNP simply going to stop playing ball in the assembly out of arrogance?  Perhaps, and if so that would be enough to squander some of their future chances at the polls.  I'm just not sure there are any issues which these local and provincial posts can provide to make much hay with.  

Actually, I think GNP's best hope is that Uri doesn't break up or lose too many members.  That way Uri can continue to disappoint in the public's eye and provide firepower for the next set of elections.  GNP needs to play it cool and let Uri continue to bleed themselves.

On a related issue, is it my imagination or does GNP's version of conservative have a much more traditional tone to it then the political conservative notion they have in the states?  I find their the pro-American, anti-communist stance a poor facade for what they really are, status-quo'ists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand the sentiment those have who think GNP might screw this opportunity over with such a big win and blow their chance to grab the blue house and assembly.  I&#8217;m not sure though how much of an affect this is going to have on national politics.  </p>
<p>Is GNP simply going to stop playing ball in the assembly out of arrogance?  Perhaps, and if so that would be enough to squander some of their future chances at the polls.  I&#8217;m just not sure there are any issues which these local and provincial posts can provide to make much hay with.  </p>
<p>Actually, I think GNP&#8217;s best hope is that Uri doesn&#8217;t break up or lose too many members.  That way Uri can continue to disappoint in the public&#8217;s eye and provide firepower for the next set of elections.  GNP needs to play it cool and let Uri continue to bleed themselves.</p>
<p>On a related issue, is it my imagination or does GNP&#8217;s version of conservative have a much more traditional tone to it then the political conservative notion they have in the states?  I find their the pro-American, anti-communist stance a poor facade for what they really are, status-quo&#8217;ists.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goh is more experienced but he may be siding with Jolla Commies in the end.  I don't think he is one, but he seems to have no support at the present time (definitely no organization- he has no party affiliation) and eventually he will join Uri party or Millenium democratic party, both of them are run by Jolla Commies.

Park Gunhey or Lee Muengbak with Hannara anti-Commies will do better.  The only thing is that Hannara party caters to the rich and the poor may take to the street.  More bamboo fighting.  More stone throwing and more imprisonment.

I wish a new party could be formed in Korea that severs ties with the old dictators(sorry Park and Lee) and still embrace the poor and yet strongly anti-NK.  I look toward new faces like Oh SeHun or Kim Moonsu.  These young guys are fresh, have good track records and relative few skeletons in the closet.  Too bad that they do not have risen far enough to run for president in the next election.

Park is a bad choice.  Just her presence itself angers many people who had been oppressed by former dictators including Park's father.  I don't think it is good for Korea for her to be the next president.  It is like travelling back to 1970s.

Lee is a better candidate. But, he is super rich and he caters to the rich Kangnam residents.  Korea is heading toward economic difficult in near future.  Remember the ten year depression in Japan between 1990s?  Korea is at that point right now; expect the property values to be halved.  Lee may not adapt well in difficult economic times.  Hoover?

I really wish some politicians like Oh and Kim to set up a new political party that severs ties with old military dictators.  

Fresh start is desperately needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goh is more experienced but he may be siding with Jolla Commies in the end.  I don&#8217;t think he is one, but he seems to have no support at the present time (definitely no organization- he has no party affiliation) and eventually he will join Uri party or Millenium democratic party, both of them are run by Jolla Commies.</p>
<p>Park Gunhey or Lee Muengbak with Hannara anti-Commies will do better.  The only thing is that Hannara party caters to the rich and the poor may take to the street.  More bamboo fighting.  More stone throwing and more imprisonment.</p>
<p>I wish a new party could be formed in Korea that severs ties with the old dictators(sorry Park and Lee) and still embrace the poor and yet strongly anti-NK.  I look toward new faces like Oh SeHun or Kim Moonsu.  These young guys are fresh, have good track records and relative few skeletons in the closet.  Too bad that they do not have risen far enough to run for president in the next election.</p>
<p>Park is a bad choice.  Just her presence itself angers many people who had been oppressed by former dictators including Park&#8217;s father.  I don&#8217;t think it is good for Korea for her to be the next president.  It is like travelling back to 1970s.</p>
<p>Lee is a better candidate. But, he is super rich and he caters to the rich Kangnam residents.  Korea is heading toward economic difficult in near future.  Remember the ten year depression in Japan between 1990s?  Korea is at that point right now; expect the property values to be halved.  Lee may not adapt well in difficult economic times.  Hoover?</p>
<p>I really wish some politicians like Oh and Kim to set up a new political party that severs ties with old military dictators.  </p>
<p>Fresh start is desperately needed!</p>
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		<title>By: kimchipig</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimchipig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of what poiboy states above (and BTW, your English has really improved since your Korea Lies posts during the Race Riots)the Korean people have spoken out against the Dear Leader's stooges in the South and have delivered crushing blow. It is my hope that some of the optimism and "can do" attitude of the 1990's will return to Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of what poiboy states above (and BTW, your English has really improved since your Korea Lies posts during the Race Riots)the Korean people have spoken out against the Dear Leader&#8217;s stooges in the South and have delivered crushing blow. It is my hope that some of the optimism and &#8220;can do&#8221; attitude of the 1990&#8217;s will return to Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too worry about the Hanara win because this election seems to be plagued by some of the same emotionalism that influenced the election of Roh Mu Hyan -- that of Park Guen Hye being hurt now as opposed to the deceitful use of the accidental deaths of two school girls a few years ago.  This fixation upon emotionalism to determine governance comes at the expense of those issues that really need the awareness of everyone in South Korea.  I still have hopes for Goh, who is a far more experienced choice than Park for president.

I also think more people now might better understand my past allegory of each and everyone of the GNP candidates cutting their faces as a constant reminder of their past failures and the need for a better effort for everyone's sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too worry about the Hanara win because this election seems to be plagued by some of the same emotionalism that influenced the election of Roh Mu Hyan &#8212; that of Park Guen Hye being hurt now as opposed to the deceitful use of the accidental deaths of two school girls a few years ago.  This fixation upon emotionalism to determine governance comes at the expense of those issues that really need the awareness of everyone in South Korea.  I still have hopes for Goh, who is a far more experienced choice than Park for president.</p>
<p>I also think more people now might better understand my past allegory of each and everyone of the GNP candidates cutting their faces as a constant reminder of their past failures and the need for a better effort for everyone&#8217;s sake.</p>
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