Comments on: Why I have difficulty calling Japanese to account: Exhibit C http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:31:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: The Marmot’s Hole » ‘Even a sheet of paper seems lighter when two people lift it together’ http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-120911 The Marmot’s Hole » ‘Even a sheet of paper seems lighter when two people lift it together’ Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:19:08 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-120911 [...] quite strongly — with some of Hyde’s more recent commentary on Korea — see here, here and here. Nevertheless, the man clearly cared about Korea, and his concern was appreciated [...] [...] quite strongly — with some of Hyde’s more recent commentary on Korea — see here, here and here. Nevertheless, the man clearly cared about Korea, and his concern was appreciated [...]

]]> By: Maddlew http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-73079 Maddlew Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:36:20 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-73079 Oh, yeah! Seth says sorry too. I worry about this trend. Some of the victims and perpetrators are still alive. "Oh, you know that apology we gave you in 92? We take it back. We did nothing wrong." The Marmot's right. All this stuff should come out but particularly when the involved are around to see a modicum of justice. Hell, I'd like the US to come clean on No Gun Ri. I'm sure there are still folks here in Korea who were involved in those four days of hell. Hopefully with all the communication and information so easily available alot will be yanked out from under rocks. We could go back as far as anybody wants. Unfortunately, the chaos and crap sometimes camouflages what we should be looking at. Oh, yeah! Seth says sorry too.
I worry about this trend. Some of the victims and perpetrators are still alive. “Oh, you know that apology we gave you in 92? We take it back. We did nothing wrong.”
The Marmot’s right. All this stuff should come out but particularly when the involved are around to see a modicum of justice. Hell, I’d like the US to come clean on No Gun Ri. I’m sure there are still folks here in Korea who were involved in those four days of hell.
Hopefully with all the communication and information so easily available alot will be yanked out from under rocks. We could go back as far as anybody wants.
Unfortunately, the chaos and crap sometimes camouflages what we should be looking at.

]]> By: colontos http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-73031 colontos Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:39:54 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-73031 Actually, you're a descendant of Seth, like all of us, via Noah and the family. But you make a decent point. Actually, you’re a descendant of Seth, like all of us, via Noah and the family. But you make a decent point.

]]> By: Maddlew http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-73021 Maddlew Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:20:36 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-73021 As a descendant of Cain I'd like to apologize most sincerely for Able. Or is it the other way around? Do I need to go further back? As a descendant of Cain I’d like to apologize most sincerely for Able. Or is it the other way around?
Do I need to go further back?

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » Hard to say I’m sorry http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-57636 The Marmot’s Hole » Hard to say I’m sorry Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:24:31 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-57636 [...] Everyone wants the Japanese to apologize as sincerely as the Germans, but as I pointed out in May, they already are. [...] [...] Everyone wants the Japanese to apologize as sincerely as the Germans, but as I pointed out in May, they already are. [...]

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » Blog Archive » Stirring the pot of history in Northeast Asia http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-41801 The Marmot’s Hole » Blog Archive » Stirring the pot of history in Northeast Asia Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:51:03 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-41801 [...] Now, having said that all, none of it would excuses a Japanese attempt to rewrite its own history in a way that whitewashes its colonial past or its wartime aggression. Just because China and Korea—and the West, for that matter (see here and here)—would be better served concentrating their efforts confronting their own historical myths rather than complaining about Japan’s doesn’t mean its OK for Japan to cover up its own history. After all, do the Japanese really want to benchmark the PRC model of historical and educational honesty? Japan would be well within its rights to ignore Chinese, Korean and Western complaints about its textbooks, but it should want to tell future generations of Japanese the truth of its past for its own sake. [...] [...] Now, having said that all, none of it would excuses a Japanese attempt to rewrite its own history in a way that whitewashes its colonial past or its wartime aggression. Just because China and Korea—and the West, for that matter (see here and here)—would be better served concentrating their efforts confronting their own historical myths rather than complaining about Japan’s doesn’t mean its OK for Japan to cover up its own history. After all, do the Japanese really want to benchmark the PRC model of historical and educational honesty? Japan would be well within its rights to ignore Chinese, Korean and Western complaints about its textbooks, but it should want to tell future generations of Japanese the truth of its past for its own sake. [...]

]]> By: Remort http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-36389 Remort Fri, 26 May 2006 07:06:47 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-36389 kushibo wrote: "Arguably, the massive conventional bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, plus the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki." I can name three "war crimes" the Americans & Allied Forces committed: Canicatti Slaughter, Biscari Massacre, and the Dachau Massacre. All three of these incidents had less than 100 victims each -- not hundreds of thousands or millions. I don't see how anyone can put these events on the same level as what the Japanese engaged in prior to and during World War II. Americans and the Allied Forces demanded an "unconditional surrender." Because of this, the Japanese were willing to fight to the very end knowing this was the ultimate humiliation. Obviously, the use of the atomic bombs and air-bombings saved both Allied and Axis lives. Because the Japanese were a continuously belligerent enemy these choices of weaponry had to be made. Surely, the Japanese didn't want to be totally annihilated with flame-throwers and corkscrew fighting techniques in a land invasion by the Allied Forces. kushibo wrote:
“Arguably, the massive conventional bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, plus the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

I can name three “war crimes” the Americans & Allied Forces committed: Canicatti Slaughter, Biscari Massacre, and the Dachau Massacre. All three of these incidents had less than 100 victims each — not hundreds of thousands or millions. I don’t see how anyone can put these events on the same level as what the Japanese engaged in prior to and during World War II.

Americans and the Allied Forces demanded an “unconditional surrender.” Because of this, the Japanese were willing to fight to the very end knowing this was the ultimate humiliation.

Obviously, the use of the atomic bombs and air-bombings saved both Allied and Axis lives. Because the Japanese were a continuously belligerent enemy these choices of weaponry had to be made. Surely, the Japanese didn’t want to be totally annihilated with flame-throwers and corkscrew fighting techniques in a land invasion by the Allied Forces.

]]> By: Sugar Shin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-36382 Sugar Shin Fri, 26 May 2006 06:01:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-36382 <i>It’s clear you’re frustrated with your limited knowledge of Asian history and short on social graces.</i> Remort Oh, Gerry Bevers as a long time resident in Korea and armchair historian (and as a pain-in-the-ass overall) has a good knowledge about Asian history, but he's analyzing every bit of historical evidence and document with his personal spin and biased mantra that: 1. Occupied Korea was a devote ally of Imeprial Japan 2. Post-war Japan has apologized and compensated her colonies and war victims 3. China and Korea should therefore shut up with accusations 4. Imperial Japan's colonial policy was the main root of economical success in Taiwan and South Korea 5. Yasukuni Shrine is only a place for commemoration of war casualties Have I forgotten to list some points of your pro-Japanese agenda, Gerry? The allied fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo... man, it was a hell of total warfare, deliberately started by the Axis powers. The Russian forces pillaged, raped and burned like savages after taking of Berlin. But only after they had witnessed the most horrifying looting, raping and killing in their homeland by the Germans with millions of dead Russians and depopulated districts. The caught criminal is always whining about his "exorbitant" punishment! It’s clear you’re frustrated with your limited knowledge of Asian history and short on social graces. Remort

Oh, Gerry Bevers as a long time resident in Korea and armchair historian (and as a pain-in-the-ass overall) has a good knowledge about Asian history, but he’s analyzing every bit of historical evidence and document with his personal spin and biased mantra that:

1. Occupied Korea was a devote ally of Imeprial Japan
2. Post-war Japan has apologized and compensated her colonies and war victims
3. China and Korea should therefore shut up with accusations
4. Imperial Japan’s colonial policy was the main root of economical success in Taiwan and South Korea
5. Yasukuni Shrine is only a place for commemoration of war casualties

Have I forgotten to list some points of your pro-Japanese agenda, Gerry?

The allied fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo… man, it was a hell of total warfare, deliberately started by the Axis powers.

The Russian forces pillaged, raped and burned like savages after taking of Berlin. But only after they had witnessed the most horrifying looting, raping and killing in their homeland by the Germans with millions of dead Russians and depopulated districts.

The caught criminal is always whining about his “exorbitant” punishment!

]]> By: kushibo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-36379 kushibo Fri, 26 May 2006 05:34:42 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-36379 <b>What atrocities did the Allied Forces commit during World War II?</b> Arguably, the massive conventional bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, plus the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is also evidence that the British had conducted human medical experiments on captured Japanese POWs in the Burma campaign. Also, Okinawan women were supposedly rounded up and used as forced prostitutes after the island was taken over. But it was war, and war is hell. What atrocities did the Allied Forces commit during World War II?

Arguably, the massive conventional bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, plus the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There is also evidence that the British had conducted human medical experiments on captured Japanese POWs in the Burma campaign. Also, Okinawan women were supposedly rounded up and used as forced prostitutes after the island was taken over. But it was war, and war is hell.

]]> By: Remort http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/05/21/why-i-have-difficulty-calling-japanese-to-account-exhibit-c/#comment-36373 Remort Fri, 26 May 2006 04:57:27 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2891#comment-36373 gbevers confabulated: "I think atrocities were committed on all sides during World War II." What atrocities did the Allied Forces commit during World War II? gbevers wrote: "I do not try to aggravate people. I just do not like people like you making false claims and recommending books that they most likely never read." What false claims did I make? You have provided no evidence to support any of your claims, and out of hand denied anything anyone has said unfavorable about Japan. It's obvious you're a Japanese apologist that refuses to realize the Japanese war crimes & atrocities were brutal, evil, and wicked. How would you know what books I have or have not read? It's clear you're frustrated with your limited knowledge of Asian history and short on social graces. But please, don't make moronic accusations about me, it just points out what a ill-mannered idiot you are to everyone that reads this blog. gbevers confabulated:
“I think atrocities were committed on all sides during World War II.”

What atrocities did the Allied Forces commit during World War II?

gbevers wrote:
“I do not try to aggravate people. I just do not like people like you making false claims and recommending books that they most likely never read.”

What false claims did I make? You have provided no evidence to support any of your claims, and out of hand denied anything anyone has said unfavorable about Japan. It’s obvious you’re a Japanese apologist that refuses to realize the Japanese war crimes & atrocities were brutal, evil, and wicked.

How would you know what books I have or have not read? It’s clear you’re frustrated with your limited knowledge of Asian history and short on social graces. But please, don’t make moronic accusations about me, it just points out what a ill-mannered idiot you are to everyone that reads this blog.

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