UPDATE 2: Cheong Wa Dae says the Chosun Ilbo is a bunch of big fat liars. Or to be more precise, a spokesman from the presidential office explained that Roh did meet with security-related ministers prior to his departure to Mongolia, but the president made no mention of pursuing a North Korea policy independent from Washington. Or at least that’s their line, and they’re sticking to it.
UPDATE: The Chosun Ilbo looks at some of the policy differences between Seoul and Washington. In particular, the United States seems prepared to begin accepting large numbers of North Korean refugees, regardless of how South Korea feels about the issue (and judging from statements by Lee Jong-seok’s predecessor, one can’t image Seoul is particularly high on the notion). Increasing the sensitivity of the issue is the fact that North Korean defectors are technically citizens of the Republic of Korea. Moreover, prominent Americans active in North Korea policy are starting to make reference to the Helsinki Process in dealing with Pyongyang.
Original Post: I think we can say it’s official now—the Roh administration is actively seeking to undermine U.S. policy toward North Korea:
The government appears intent on making attempts independent of Washington to bring North Korea back to stalled six-nation talks on its nuclear program. Some critics fear that any move from Seoul that would go against a U.S. strategy to box in the North from all sides could strain relations between the two allies.
President Roh Moo-hyun was quoted as saying Seoul will exercise greater leadership in breaking the deadlock in the six-party talks. Roh was said to have made the remarks in a meeting with senior officials in security departments before embarking on his current overseas trip. “The idea is that since the six-party talks play a very important role in determining the fate of the Korean Peninsula, we can’t just leave such critical decisions in the hands of the U.S.,” a high-ranking government official said Thursday.
This while Washington is apparently charging windmills encouraging China to put pressure on North Korea. Not that there was much chance of that happening before, but now that Roh has all but bent over and handed Kim Jong-il the KY Jelly, there’s absolutely no reason for Beijing to actively put the heat on Pyongyang.
Jon Wolfsthal, a U.S. scholar attending a conference in Seoul perhaps summed up the situation best when he said the North Korea nuclear talks were a “a long drawn-out death that we are all obliged to watch.” He also noted that the “regime-change crew” was calling the shots in Washington:
“The regime change crew is in charge now and they are looking for any new ideas that can affect regime change,” Wolfsthal said. “If you were advising them you could suggest anything to affect regime change _ calling the North bad names, throwing spitballs, anything _ and the administration would go out today and buy a spitball machine.”
Roh, however, is apparently “loosing patience” with the U.S. administration:
The Foreign Ministry’s special envoy on international security, Moon Chung-in, told a seminar here the comments, which came in a meeting with Korean residents in Mongolia, “show that Roh is losing patience with U.S. President George W. Bush.”
Of course, the White House could hardly care less. It’s gotta be tough being Roh—first the Japanese ignore him, the Americans will no doubt ignore him (if for no other reason than Roh is just about the only elected leader in the Free World with lower approval ratings than Bush), and these concessions Roh is talking about will more than likely end up like the much ballyhooed “great proposal” to provide North Korea juice in return for movement on the nuclear issue. Why? Because ultimately, Kim Jong-il may very well ignore him. Except when it’s politically expedient.
I remember when analysts were describing the six-party talks as basically a four-on-two: the United States and Japan on one side and the two Koreas, China and Russia on the other. But now, it looks like a two-on-one-on-one-on-one-on-one. The United States and Japan seen to be cooperating reasonably well, but South Korea, North Korea and China all seem to be playing on their own teams. And Russia should be happy if anyone even notices their part of the discussion. Frankly, the discord between Washington and Seoul wouldn’t be so bad for the South Koreans if Seoul were more closely cooperating with Beijing. And you’d think that because both seem so hell-bent on keeping the North Korean regime afloat, they would be. But they’re not; in fact, at times, it seems the aid and investment the two sides are pumping into North Korea is part of some game the two are playing against one another. And this would put Pyongyang just where it likes to be, i.e., in a position to play one side against the other, like it did all those years with their Chinese and Soviet friends.
Who knows—maybe the two Koreas will work out some sort of resolution between the two of them. That’s how the rhetoric goes, at any rate. But it won’t be easy.
Oh, and on the Kaesong front, as the government presses businesses to set up shop in the North Korean town, a Unification Ministry official wrote to the Asian edition of the Wall Street Journal to encourage U.S. special envoy Jay Lefkowitz to visit the industrial complex:
In his letter, Lee urged the U.S. envoy visit to the complex and see the working conditions for himself. “I believe that Amb. Lefkowitz will see that his concerns are misplaced.”
No doubt Lefkowitz could see with his own two eyes all the happy North Korean workers who don’t even complain when asked to do overtime.
The letter also reiterated Seoul’s stance that “what is most important is to help the North Korean people to survive” and that “denying humanitarian aid under the pretext of unsatisfactory monitoring may only worsen the tragedy.”
Note to Lee: when you’ve spent a decade or five pumping money to guys named Mobuto, Doe, Barre, Pahlavi, Batista and Somoza, then feel perfectly free to lecture us on the importance—or unimportance—of accountability in providing foreign aid.
“South Koreans want an improvement in the human rights situation as much as Amb. Lefkowitz, but the issue should be tackled within certain boundaries, so as not to threaten peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula,” the letter said.
Translation: KJI might be a son-of-a-bitch, but he’s kinda our son-of-a-bitch. And who said the Cold War was over on the Korean Peninsula?
Lee also wrote that considering a “rock-solid alliance” of South Korea and the United States, a “responsible U.S. government official should ask himself whether the unsubstantiated public criticism of the policies of an ally is in line with the spirit of the alliance or will be desirable for strengthening bilateral relations.”
Christ, and I thought the White House took criticism from allies badly. Anyway, what I guess this means is that while “responsible South Korean government officials” are well within their rights to offer “constructive criticism” of U.S. policy, redefine the alliance in new and unusual ways, and launch “diplomatic wars” on other close U.S. allies in the region, U.S. officials gripe about South Korean policy only at the risk of running counter to the spirit of the alliance and harming bilateral relations.
And you know, I’m pretty certain at this point that the “Smart Bug” from Starship Troopers—you know, the big ugly thing that sucked out people’s brains—is doing the hiring at the Unification Ministry. That’s the only way I can explain how individuals who seemed perfectly intelligent before joining the ministry end up sounding like they do after.
NOTE: Mike Breen wrote an excellent column on North Korea, the “temporary nuclear state,” that is worth reading.
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Picture a terminally ill North Korea on a hospital bed. Picture President Bush trying to slit one wrist and let him bleed to death slowly, while President Roh is conducting a blood transfusion on the other side of the bed.
Too bad I’m more autistic than artistic, or I’d be a political cartoonist!
One would think, given the number of Americans that died in Korea, that the South Koreans would pay attention to what the American government tells them.
If they don’t care, why should we care? I wonder, how Korean attitudes toward the U.S. would differ had they been subjected to living under communism for the last 50 years. If Truman was such a damn yellow-spined liberal, MacArthur could have pushed into China, and also defeated the opportunistic Russians too. Man, what a different world this would be if they had happened…
I’d like to see the definitions from the different people, including analysts, of “regime change.”
At one time, Roh and crew were saying even contemplating pressuring Pyongyang to alter its undemocratic ways or things like blocking supervision of food distribution was in effect “regime change” —- the idea being that forcing North Korea to “give up on its principles” was just as much an attack to destroy “the regime” and regime change…
And when one of these “spit balls” for “regime change” people speak out like this, I always beg for them to lay out for me an idea that might work better……anything…..at all……a good idea…….a constructive criticism……anything……that makes remote sense……..at all…..something……
Personally, as the mother whose son is part of the 2nd ID, whose son is sitting this very minute on the DMZ, playing soldier, I would like to see more protests, more really, really violent protests, over the base relocation. The protesters know that Seoul is too much of a limp dick to make any really tough decisions, but the Yanks won’t have much of a problem hauling the troops out. The USFK needs to exit stage left before they find themselves in a firestorm, not unlike Vietnam. As for me, I don’t like seeing my SON held hostage to a bunch of temper tantrum throwing infants…
Normally I would approach these sorts of political situations with more calm, but we are talking about MY SON.
And when one of these “spit balls” for “regime change” people speak out like this, I always beg for them to lay out for me an idea that might work better……anything…..at all……a good idea…….a constructive criticism……anything……that makes remote sense……..at all…..something……
Ending the armistice and signing a formal peace treaty with the North and removing all US military presence from the Korean peninsula would be a good start.
Ending the armistice and signing a formal peace treaty with the North and removing all US military presence from the Korean peninsula would be a good start….. TO THE NEXT KOREAN WAR.
But this time, it’s the Koreans’ war alone with all the consequences falling to the Koreans themselves (and me, because I live here and all my assets are here — the “one race” theology just about guarantees a bullet for me and mine if we haven’t fled successfully). Of course, Koreans’ propensity to blame everyone but themselves for their situation practically guarantees that when the internal history is written by the Korea Workers’ Party AND the internal dissidents unhappy with the rule of the Korea Workers’ Party, it will all be the Yankees’ fault.
Gilian,
I believe you are going to get to see your wish.
The Priest and other anti-US leaders at Pyongtaek tried the use of non-violence - kite flying and such - in what I am sure they knew was an uphill battle to winning public support for obstructing the base expansion. But they gave it a shot, and it didn’t work.
Now that the scene of violence has arrived and public opinion has shifted a little more against them, I believe the leaders will shift their attention to influencing the US government and possibly the American people.
Pyongtaek is too big an issue for them to fade away and wait for a better opportunity later.
And these guys are VERY good at adapting their message and tactics to fit the environment.
I expect them to use aggressive means to try to capture US media coverage.
Blue Jives,
Help us sell you idea to the Korean people and the Korean government….
If I took Blue Jives seriously, I’d probably ask him some questions like,
What conditions should be put on the North’s side of such a peace treaty?
Verified cutting down of the North Korean military? Verified handing over of stock piles of WMDs? How about cutting down the number of artillery pieces it has? Moving its forces off the DMZ line. Dismantling the nuclear power plants…
What are the chances NK will meet the conditions of realistic peace treaty?
What about the time table? Should the US and SK fullfill their oblications under it then the North? Or the North first? Together? What penalties would Blue Jives put on the North if/when it started fudging on its obligations, verification, and the time table?
But, I don’t……
If you insist on attaching all kinds of conditions on the peace treaty then North Korea will inevitably find excuses to backpedal away from the treaty. So the peace treaty will have to be signed unconditionally. North Korea will have be allowed to exist as a sovereign nation. By declaring formal peace, you are also eliminating much of the rationale and factors which enable KJI’s brinkmanship.
If North Korea continues to “misbehave” even during the post peace treaty period, then China will have to get tough on North Korea. The Chinese want stability. North Korean misbehavior threatens that stability. This is what we want, China being tough on North Korea and not the US.
North Korea already exists and is recognized as a sovereign state to an extent that say, Taiwan, a far more responsible entity, is not. The U.S. has already said that North Korea is a sovereign nation and the U.N. recognizes North Korea as a sovereign nation. Having a peace treaty signed will not make much of a difference in that respect.
Viewed more cynically, how did being a sovereign nation help Iraq?
Are there any communist countries without nuclear weapons?
The first goal, before reunification can even seriously be considered, ought to be to make Korea a nuclear-free peninsula. The second step ought to be to exclude the reds from any reunification/peace negotiations — Those damn Russians are the ones to blame for this mess, along with the Japanese. The Chinese were just a puppet used by the Russians for promises of the socialist utopian dream that was accompanied by Russian nuclear weapon technology.
Given Germany’s very successful unification process, I think there’s still hope for this situation. However, the North Koreans must get realistic about this and decide that it’s what they want — most of the civilized world has just about had enough from North Korea and Iran for that matter.
North Korea a sovereign nation? Hah, China considers North Korea as a rogue Chinese province. And, Japan still considers Korea one of its territories.
Viewed more cynically, how did being a sovereign nation help Iraq?
How did regime change help Iraq?
The problem with interventionist US foreign policy is that it only thinks up to the regime change itself. It gives little thought to what will happen beyond it.
Consider what will happen if the concept of North Korean regime change were pursued to its logical conclusion. Let’s say KJI’s regime collapses a year from now, either through US led sanction (which is totally useless unless China sanctions NK also, which is not going to happen) or through outright US military strike (we’ll conveniently ignore minor details like Seoul being engulfed in a sea of flames or the fact that the Peope’s Liberation Army will swiftly come to NK’s aid if that should ever happen). What is going to happen if North Korea collapses?
I seriously doubt anyone here has thought about that. Trust me, outside of wishful thinking, it’ll be a can of worms.
What is going to happen if North Korea collapses through the use of US method? America will pump hundreds of billions of dollars to reconstruct both destroyed North and South Korea .
Either that, or Americans will just move on to their next headline generating agenda on the war on terrorism, while the Koreans are left to pick up the pieces on their own.
A peace treaty with North Korea before it dramatically downsized its army and shed its WMD in a transparent, verifiable fashion would be an enormously one-sided gift to the world’s most undeserving government.
The Kim family regime digs in so deeply precisely because they KNOW they do not stack up as a legitimate state and they understand that ending the Cold War on the peninsula and the process of Korean unification ultimately means “dustbin of history” time for the DPRK. Nuclear sabre-rattling is merely a symptom of the death throes of an artificial state entity that has outlasted its usefulness by 17 years.
I’m with Bluejives on this one. Let’s pull all the troops out and deep six any treaties requiring the US to help out militarily and financially in the future. Then the parties can go ahead and sign whatever kind of peace treaty they want and let South Korea sit back and enjoy the ‘wonderful’ deal they got out of it all. Before it happens, though, be sure to let me know so I can take my family and sell my assets and get the hell out.
Then the parties can go ahead and sign whatever kind of peace treaty they want and let South Korea sit back and enjoy the ‘wonderful’ deal they got out of it all.Before it happens, though, be sure to let me know so I can take my family and sell my assets and get the hell out.
If it’ll help rid the Motherland of the likes of you, all the better.
The fact that not a single commenter here has mentioned the most important and influential entity in this entire situation shows exactly how ignorant and clueless you bunch of eggheads are.
That entity, of course, is the MOTHERFUCKING BEE-MAN!
OK, let’s suppose for a moment, Bluejives, that you’re right and the post-collapse scenario is so frightening to contemplate, what would you suggest? Keeping North Korea on permanent life-support (assuming that South Korean and Chinese aid will be enough to keep the regime afloat)? Encouraging gradual “regime transformation” (assuming the regime can reform without collapsing)? Personally, I don’t think anything anyone does is going to influence all that much how the endgame is going to go down (or to put this differently, there’s no happy ending, regardless of the policy choices the concerned parties make). I’m just curious as to what policies you, as someone who clearly follows the situation, would advocate.
Remodel the old Marcos house in Honolulu for a more toxic tyrant with a bigger ego and worse taste, then make Kim Jong-il and his sons an exile offer they can’t refuse.
“If it’ll help rid the Motherland of the likes of you, all the better.”
Bluejives, that’s some great comeback. (Motherland? what is this, Nazi Germany? Aren’t you an American?)
You’re the one who wants the troops out and a peace treaty. What do you expect to accomplish? Throw away South Korea’s only real protector and sign a useless piece of paper known as a peace treaty and what have you got? Are you as dumb as the Roh-nothings who think there is nothing to fear from North Korea? China will get tough on NK? Hahaha, good one.
If SK insists on going it alone, all the more power to the country, but I think it’s crazy. If anything, it’ll be far more to SK’s benefit to have the US around to pick up the pieces, if NK ever collapses (won’t happen anyway with the support of China and SK continuing until the end of time).
Thankfully, I don’t think most South Koreans are so stupid as to want to throw away a good thing for a dubious unknown and won’t deep six their ally, so I’m staying. Tough shit.
Blue Jives,
Didn’t Snow agree with you? Get all US troops out and let South Korea sign whatever peace deal it wants?
Why so angry?
Mamrot’s “no happy ending” comment is spot on and what puts me to butting heads with comments like the one quoted from Wolfsthal.
Scholars are great —- make a career out of —- pointing out social ills or problems in this or that —- and offering nothing that would actually work most of the time.
It is too hard for people to admit a problem doesn’t have an adequate solution.
The State Department and others are paid to keep searching and tweeking and trying without admitting defeat, but sometimes defeat is the only likely or acceptable outcome.
North Korea is the only key to any solution. The main ball in play is in their court and will remain so as far into the future as we can reliable see.
I hate to nit-pick, BUT for the past month or two your posts have had line breaks but no paragraph breaks. This makes them harder to read. I think others have mentioned this.
I had the same problem on my WordPress blogs with the visual editor and using FireFox when I cut and pasted. took me using another browser in that situation. Not sure what your challenge is, but it would be great if you could have hard para breaks.
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“a spokesman from the presidential office explained that Roh did meet with security-related ministers prior to his departure to Mongolia, but the president made no mention of pursuing a North Korea policy independent from Washington.”
Translation: Bush called Roh and asked him if he’s smoking crack.
gin accepting large numbers of North Korean refugees, regardless of how South Korea feels about the issue
Phht. I’ll believe it when I see it. Talk is cheap.
The Roh administration (of which I am no fan at all) has taken in more North Korean refugees than all its predecessors combined. The United States has taken in one (and that was one that had already been resettled).
I’d like to see the US take in thousands instead of just talking about it. Is it really about sensitivity to the ROK government, when the two sides seem so willing to poke each other in the eye on just about everythign else, or is that just an excuse for inaction?
From the first update:
Phht. I’ll believe it when I see it. Talk is cheap.
The Roh administration (of which I am no fan at all) has taken in more North Korean refugees than all its predecessors combined. The United States has taken in one (and that was one that had already been resettled).
I’d like to see the US take in thousands instead of just talking about it. Is it really about sensitivity to the ROK government, when the two sides seem so willing to poke each other in the eye on just about everything else, or is that just an excuse for inaction?
More pearls of wisdumb from Bluejives:
Ending the armistice and signing a formal peace treaty with the North and removing all US military presence from the Korean peninsula would be a good start.
Unprecedented, unrealistic degree self-reliance that few in Korea today are willing to even consider.
The problem with interventionist US foreign policy is that it only thinks up to the regime change itself. It gives little thought to what will happen beyond it.
This appears to be the function of sheer historical ignorance.The successes have been so numerous that one is extremely hard pressed to find an exception. Have you really never heard of the Marshall Plan? Were you unaware of the rebuilding of Korea and Japan and the establishment of enduring democratic institutions there? Why do you bother to form opinions at all on issues you haven’t performed the most rudimentary research on?
Consider what will happen if the concept of North Korean regime change were pursued to its logical conclusion.
For the record, are you even aware that this concept is a North Korean invention that has never serious been considered as an American goal?
Let’s say KJI’s regime collapses a year from now, either through US led sanction (which is totally useless unless China sanctions NK also, which is not going to happen) or through outright US military strike.
…or perhaps by ending the armistice and removing all US military presence from the Korean peninsula?
What is going to happen if North Korea collapses?
I give up. What?
I seriously doubt anyone here has thought about that.
Are you really so naive as to be unaware of this basic intelligence function? You honestly didn’t know that government think tanks are continually analysing the probabilities and contingencies, formulating responses and evaluating the probable outcomes of these as well? Have you ever heard of Google?
Trust me, outside of wishful thinking, it’ll be a can of worms.
Good answer - can of worms.
And North Korea today is NOT a can of worms?
And this wishful thinking you mention - this would NOT characterize Roh Mu Hyeon’s Sunshine Policy?
Pretending away the problems and just hoping that legitimizing their brutal policies will make them want to reform from within is NOT wishful thinking?
Attempting to undermine the very ally that assures your viability, and without with Korea would fall into complete isolation and weakness is NOT wishful thinking?
I’m glad you thought this through so much better than the best strategic minds on the planet.
Were you unaware of the rebuilding of Korea and Japan and the establishment of enduring democratic institutions there? uri-shouter5
Real democracy was established by South Koreans themselves - with tears, sweat and blood. It took more than 40 years since the Korean War to do so.
The US wiped the Nipponese into democracy. And what have the Japanese done with this precious present? Over half a century of nearly one-party-rule… ending up with a ilk like Koizumi and Abe.
Bush called Roh and asked him if he’s smoking crack.
Cause Georgie knows exactly out of experience, how that feeling goes…
It should be “whipped” instead of “wiped”.
“The US wiped the Nipponese into democracy.”
Would that be like saying, the US forced freedom on the Japanese? I know democracy can fail (who knows what will happen in Iraq), but forcing democracy hardly seems a bad thing. And at least the Japanese have had free elections all along, unlike in Korea, until recently.
Also, the US played a huge role in the development of both countries. Not to discount the tremendous effort and sacrifice that Koreans made in creating a strong democracy, would South Korea have been able to become a democracy without the aid provided by the US and Japan? Possibly so, but it would have been a very poverty-stricken democracy.
California will take as many Koreans as North Korea can send them, the democrats would love the additional votes.
Seriously though, if South Korea wants to play games, I think the American tax payers would love to save some money. Let the Koreans deal with the Chinese, Russians, and Japanese — I’m sure they’ll get a much more fair shake.
This is so damn ridiculous that Truman (that yellow-spined democrat) recalled MacArthur, and we’ve since adopted an official U.S. foreign policy of containment. It’s a damn shame that MacArthur couldn’t have taken care of the root of the problem, those sneaky Russians and Chinese, 50 years ago.
Sugar Shin, in reference to the rebuilding of Korea and Japan and the establishment of enduring democratic institutions there:
Real democracy was established by South Koreans themselves - with tears, sweat and blood. It took more than 40 years since the Korean War to do so.
Actually, independence, the birth of the republic, the ideology of democracy, the constitution, the mechanisms of government, the bootstrap economic aid, the modernization from abject backwardness to industrialization were all American sponsored, overseen and paid for in hard dollar grants, soft loans and military protection - not to mention many lives lost to the cause.
Once these mechanisms were in place, it admittedly took us some 40 years to get it right, but because the framework was already established thanks to the US, we made headway. And behind the scenes, remeber that the US was always there prodding us toward human rights and democratization. And we still have a long way to go to get where the US is now and where we need to be.
But it is entirely disengenuous, smallminded and historically dishonest to deny the well-documented role the US played in fathering our democracy.
Hello whitey. Still your Korean mask on. It’s really funny to watch you mimicking.
You should always leave this signature at this place:
You know, Mizar5, you can make your point without pretending to be Korean. The Marmot
He’s a liar.
“would South Korea have been able to become a democracy without the aid provided by the US”
Ask the Korean dissident leaders and thousands of citizens who signed the petitions those leaders carried to the US to beg President Carter not to remove troops because there would be no pressure on their government to reform.
Sugar, thanks for capitulating so totally; I had rather expected you to go down in flames, but with an argument rather than a pathetic whimper. Usainkorea, I remember those times and recall how the average person referred disdainfully to Carter as “땅콩” (since he’d been a peanut farmer). The fear of being abandoned was thick. It all came down to human rights issues. The US was working quietly to move Korea along the road to democracy without betraying its obligations to our growing nationhood.
How hypocritical that one the one hand “sugarshin” blasts Japan for supposed one-party rule, yet continuously trots out the well-known “if you don’t think ‘A’ about ‘B’, then you are not a Korean!” argument.
MIzar5 can make his points as he wants. The main beef I’ve with him is his dishonesty about his nationality, lil’ putin.
Sugar, I’ll grant you any claims to moral supremecy that you want. I make no personal claims one way or the other - all that matters to me is a little intellectually honest exchange interspersed with light banter.
Mizar5 can make his points as he wants. The main beef I’ve with him is his dishonesty about his nationality, lil’ putin.
I wonder if you’re that hard on Robert Kim?
Your question is so totally off-topic. Robert Kim is a traitor who betrayed his country - the USA. So what? Does he comment on this blog?
Robert Kim? Just a case of a little friendly spying between allies.
Sugar Shin, “betrayed” is such a harsh term. The Robert Kim case was merely a symptom of a larger problem, that is, an increasingly dysfunctional relationship between South Korea and the US in terms of military intelligence. The US had info on North Korea that they were not going to share with South Korea. If North Korea were up to no good, who would be affected the most, SK or the US? How is South Korea supposed to react to something like that? It proves that the US is not a reliable, trustworthy ally. SK would do well to be much more self reliant in defense and military intelligence matters.
Robrt Kim betrayed his adopted country for the money. The US gave him every opportunity to blend in to American society and seek his share of the American dream. He spitted on this offer. No question for me about his screwed up character.
The fucked up status of the US-ROK relationship has not much to do with the absence of an ethical compass of Robert Kim.
Sugar, you’ve got Robert Kim right. Kim was conspiring with his brother to sell secret US technology to the Korean government.
Sheki, you’re wrong about Kim and the US. The accusations of not sharing intelligence about NK is the rather transparent self-justifications of a criminal. Kim is a traitor to both his countries - the US, for blatent espionage, and Korea, for bring shame to all Koreans through his shameless immorality.
Sugar: “Your question is so totally off-topic. Robert Kim is a traitor who betrayed his country - the USA. So what? Does he comment on this blog?”
No, Sugar, what’s off topic is your questioning my race, nationality and character.
Actually. Lilly’s question seems well aimed. She seemed to assume that you, like many, would overlook Kim’s dishonesty while attacking me for the same. That would have made you a hypocrite. You’re not. For some reason you’re concerned about my honesty, and you’re entitled to your personal opinions, but at least you’re not being a hypocrite.
Mizar5, baby, you’ve got to know that crackers pretending to be Koreans just makes me so hot. You’ve got me going craaaaaaazy!
It works too. I fool every unsuspecting Korean I meet!