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Robert Kim was also proud of his heritage….
Los Angeles is not a sufficient sample of the KA community- it’s always been an especially insular community; one doesn’t even really need to know English very well to live there.
Moreover, we should account for the context in which the poll was taken- by a Korean research organization, presumably in Korean. I think it’s only natural to assume that those being polled might fear being seen in a negative light or having their Korean identity called into question by those conducting the poll if they were to answer “no” to the questions.
“501 ethnic Koreans living in the Los Angeles area”
Wow, it must be a slow news day over there. There are over one million ethnic Koreans living in the most random parts of the U.S., like Iowa, Alabama, Colorado, etc., not just in places like L.A. I seriously doubt second or third-generation Korean Americans would express the same views as recent immigrants. If they do, multiculturalism has morphed into a serious problem. Damn leftists.
Reminds me of a Canuck buddy who had a job in Koreatown for a while. He said those without car insurance would give the area a wide berth as it was well known that accident rates were much higher there. He said he’d see accidents on the street (Wilshire, maybe?) all the time. “Ah, just another case of DWA.”
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the Korean media has gone “poll crazy” recently?
Wonder why nobody has tried to correlate the record-low birthrate and the level of “customer satisfaction” with Korea…
It would be UNAMERICAN to not be proud of their own heritage. The very first Americans who came to America from Europe came here, met with the red indians, yet they kept their English heritage.
In the same spirit, immigrants that arrive in America today must keep their own heritage and integrate those into American culture.
The idea that American values is already set in stone, and immigrants should drop their culture behind them and learn the “American” way is an idea propagated by later Americans. These later Americans are not the founding fathers. They do not understand the true spirit of being an American. Many of them are copy cats themselves. For example, there are many instances of Eastern Europeans, or Germans, or Jews change their name to make it sound more “English” like.
Koreans immigrants must put their mindset like that of Benjamin Franklin, and ask, If Benjamin Frankline was Korean and he immigrated to America, would Benjamin Franklin not be proud of his heritage?
My math teacher used to say, “If the concept is wrong, the answer is wrong.” What it means is that even if you got the right answer, but if you understood the matter wrongly, then your correct answer is just pure luck. Doesn’t mean a thing. In the same spirit, it is the concept of being an American that is important. Not whether one looks or behaves like an American.
Now let’s ask them to quantify it - “why are you proud to be Korean?”
For example, has Korea ever invented anything or have Koreans ever done anything worthy of note other than just accept the cultural elements of other nations, like China, Japan and the US? Has Korea ever been an influence for world peace, or does it continually make obnoxious noise about rocks in the Sea of Japan that were in fact originally owned by Japan in the 17th century and first claimed and occupied by Korea in 1950? Do Koreans befriend people of other nations or do they insulate themselves against them? Do we even refer to people of other nationalities as human beings or do they call them “놈” instead of “분”? Are we good students who learn reasoning or problem solving or just good multiple choice test takers who cannot write esseys and otherwise succeed in global academia? Do we treat one another with mutual respect or push and shove one another in public, drive like selfish maniacs and cut ahead of others in lines? Have we had a peaceful history, or have we always been fighting among ourselves, continually dividing the nation into three main geographical regions that mutually dispise each other? Are we sensitive and friendly to people or do we just befriend people from whom we have something to gain? Are we self-sustaining or self-defending or do we rely on the US military so we can redirect our capital into building a viable economy. Do we treat our allies and beneficiaries with sincerity and thanks or do we curse them and invent nasty lies about “GI crime”? Do we treat our elders with respect or cast them out of their jobs in their late 40s? Do we provide healthy family recreation or spend our money drinking and whoring with friends and coworkers? Do we honor one another’s political and religious freedoms while calmly expressing our own or do we demonstrate violently and attack the riot police who are just young men serving their time in the military? Do we comport ourselves with humility or do we ostentatiously spend needlessly on brand items for personal status? Do we behave with dignity and respect for others in public or do we spit on the street and in bathrooms and talk loudly and obnoxiously without regard for others? Do we have moral convictions or do we just care what others think about us? Do we care about public safety or is our environment a mess and our foods adulterated with unknown substances and virtually unregluated? Are we really patriotic or just pathetically afraid of the rest of the world? Are our men trustworthy, brave and masculine or whimpy underweight, undernourished, feminized whiners? Do our women fight for civil rights or prostitute themselves, act like little girls and do whatever else it takes to get money from a man? Are we patriotic enough and do we have enough integrity to change what’s wrong with us, or are we constantly making excuses for our culture? Do we make any effort to understand other nations and respect their culture while we are busy cursing others for not “understanding us”?
Hmm…let me know if you can think of anything I should be proud of for being Korean…I’m sure there’s some rational reason to be proud and not just fuzzy, emotional, xenophobia…
Mizar5 has a point. Koreans should be ashamed of being Koreans because they haven’t done anything worthwhile or noteworthy. Just go under the blanket cover and die there.
That was very culturally insensitive, cm! We call it an 이불.
“… or have Koreans ever done anything worthy of note…” Mizar5
They gave a freaky white dude like you the Korean citizenship. Don’t tell me, that you’re a Korean by birth.
Geez, get a nice Korean girlfriend or a worthwhile spare time hobby…
To me Mizar5 is just another Korean who has inferiority complexs with Western/Japanese. These twisted view will lead more tradedies in his(her) life.
And CM, either your are an expat or one of those under quailfied hagwon teacher, I just feel sorry for you since you still need to encounter daily job with your arrogant,selfish, ignorant, or just plain stupid narrow-mind with Korean. Negative post will not get you out of whatever life problems you have. Try to be on the positive side and you will see the difference.
Mizar5, you seem to adhere well to your own bitchy complaints. I call that an accomplishment in itself. Bravo!, for keeping it real — by your own proclaimed standards, of course.
[bold]Joey: Mizar5, you seem to adhere well to your own bitchy complaints. I call that an accomplishment in itself. Bravo!, for keeping it real — by your own proclaimed standards, of course.[/bold]
Thanks, Joey…I think.
[bold]oldboy:To me Mizar5 is just another Korean who has inferiority complexs with Western/Japanese. These twisted view will lead more tradedies in his(her) life.[/bold]
Thanks also, oldboy. I’ll get to work right away on “these twisted view” - just as soon as I polish my English, perhaps…
I like the leading statement - “will lead to more tradedies in his (her) life.” I admire your embellishment of the fallacy with the garland of objectivity - your reluctance to venture an assumption as to my gender. Only after wrapping yourself in the flag of objectivity do you attempt the reckless descent into sweeping assumptions about my life circumstances and psychological states.
[bold]Sugar Shin: Geez, get a nice Korean girlfriend or a worthwhile spare time hobby…[/bold]
Given the nonestablishment of my gender, are you willing to entertain the notion that you may be encouraging lesbianism here?
Regards to my fan club. Now, is anyone willing to offer a relevent reply to my question? What is it I should take pride in with regard to the accidental circumstance by which I was born Korean?
Just FYI for newcomers, it’s been fairly well established that Mizarv is not Korean.
just FYI for newcomers, it’s been fairly well established the jyce is a dick
Mizar5
“Do we behave with dignity and respect for others in public or do we spit on the street and in bathrooms and talk loudly and obnoxiously without regard for others?”
I would like to add something on the spitting part… not only they spit on the streets but also on ASHTRAYS…. EWWWWWW!!!!!!
“Are we sensitive and friendly to people or do we just befriend people from whom we have something to gain?”
Indeed,
Let’s be friends so I can practice my english!HA!
I want to be friends with foreigners so I can show off to my friends.HA!
AMEN Mizar5 !!!!!!!!!!
have a nice weekend everyone!
If it makes you feel any better, it’s been pretty much established in jyce’s mind that I’m not Korean. The great thing about pidgeonholing someone is that you can dismiss their assertions out of hand without having to exercise your intelligence!
You can prove you’re Korean. Post your picture!!
How would that prove anything? Just about anyone who looks Korean could also be Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian… I suppose if Mizar5 was wearing a Korean flag headband and a “be the reds” t-shirt, it might serve as some evidence, but still… Not overly conclusive.
Given the nonestablishment of my gender, are you willing to entertain the notion that you may be encouraging lesbianism here? Mizarwhatever
You write like a dude. I’ve nothing to say against lesbianism. Maybe it would be the right way to jerk of a little bit of your steam. Korea can be a lonely planet for a foreign looney…
The audience should follow jyce’s link. There’re plenty of indications, that missus zar is NOT a Korean - maybe only on paper, but not through birth.
What is it I should take pride in with regard to the accidental circumstance by which I was born Korean? Mizarthropy
Koreans should be proud of being the worst yellow bastards and badasses of East Asia and probably in th world. Being korean means being a pain in the ass forever of the bitter white expat dude! That’s a frickin’ achievement no other people can brag about.
Me - proud to be an high quality asshole of Korean origin!
Mizar5,
My apology to you to put you in wrong category.
After reading the comments on jyce’s link,
…Many Thanks Jyce for the link..,
I reached the conclusion that your are just one of foreigners floating around blogs with mental health problems of one kind or another.
No friends, no exciting life in real world but still need to feel alive or get someone’s attention by bashing others in your desk covered with left-over junk foods.
Sugar Shin,
Right on!! And I love the term “proud to be an high quality asshole of Korean origin!”
Yeah, you’ve got to admit, that’s one of our most conspicuous national traits - envy of others and enjoyment of the prospect of their misery. Misery may love company but it is there that I must part ways with you, my fellow patriots. Adieu, adieu!
Oldboy: I reached the conclusion that your are just one of foreigners floating around blogs with mental health problems of one kind or another.
Interesting moniker you’ve chosen. It says a lot.
You can prove you’re Korean. Post your picture!!
That would be overkill. Having sent Dumb & Dumber into paroxysms of rage with a few well chosen words (or a plethora of random ones?) I’ve already prevailed.
Mizarzero, never call me a fellow compatriot, you weirdo Gringo.
You can prove you’re Korean. Post your picture!!
Send Marmot your finger via postal service, Pendejo!
A freebie tip for entertaining comments: refrain from using your pompous diction, it doesn’t correspond with the utter confusion of your sordid perso-anal-ity.
Go out and get a life.
Hey, lay off Mizar. He/she does tend to go to extremes at times, but it can be pretty funny. It’s nice to hear from someone who IS KOREAN (I checked the link and Mizar mentioned going back to the village and having worked in Korea for a long time-unless he/she is lying, ain’t no foreigners with that kind of experience), giving the extreme opposite side of the coin. Heck, as crazy as Baduk is at times, it’s great to hear his rabid and sometimes hilarious rantings. Call it entertainment.
“501 ethnic Koreans living in the Los Angeles area”
Try something much more like 1,000,000 Koreans living in L.A., Orange, and San Diego counties. 400,000 Koreans **THIS YEAR ALONE** emigrated to the U.S. given the Korean crackdown on sex shops. Those Hispanics better be careful, or East Asians (Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, and Vietnamese) will unleash its full fury and take control of California from their grasp.
Haha, Jackie Chan for mayor -OR- governor! Can you imagine the popular political support an ethnic Chinese dude with a Korean girlfriend would have in public office within California? Too bad Jackie spends most of his time in Australia.
Snow:Hey, lay off Mizar. He/she does tend to go to extremes at times, but it can be pretty funny…Heck, as crazy as Baduk is at times, it’s great to hear his rabid and sometimes hilarious rantings. Call it entertainment.
Actually, I wasn’t aware that Oldboy and Baduk were one and the same. I rather like Baduk. Oldboy sounds more hysterical, along the lines of those insecure Sugar Shin gyopo we’ve all come to know and love (미운 정 is what we call it).
Entertainment - yes, that’s the general idea. It’s fascinating how easy it is to get people to jump through hoops for you and disgrace themselves publically. Great amusement! And when you find someone dumb enough to take the bait, you sometimes enjoy jerking them around a bit…
But I I will lay off. I have a rather short attention span when it comes to lesser intellects.
Bait? Who takes you serious? Mizar5 had been discovered and busted from the most trusted person in the Korean blogosphere a long time ago: Marmot, the owner of this place.
Still he tries to to get off the hook with semantic loopholes… still pretending to be Korean. What a wimpy pretender.
Well, Sugar, you’re entitled to your misrepresentations. By the way, I think I found your site.
http://www.bitterasianmen.com/
You know, Mizar5, you can make your point without pretending to be Korean. The Marmot
>You know, Mizar5, you can make your point without pretending to be Korean.
Yes, Sugar, and the Marmot backed off because - although he’s usually spot on - he was mistaken in this case and knew when to call it a day. That’s what gives him credibility in contrast to the proverbial broken clock like yourself who is lucky enough to be right twice a day.
As long as there are people like you who allow yourself to be distracted by irrelevent peripheral issues such the nationality of your interlocutor, you are prone to being manipulated by far cleverer and debators like myself. We pray for clowns like you.
Marmot, out of curiousity, how is it that you know? Are we talking about gut instinct, or something certain?
Something certain. But of course, there is no point in continuing this discussion, because as Mizar5 pointed out, he has never used his “Koreanness” as an authority from which to speak, so I guess it doesn’t matter what he says he is, right? The Marmot
The Marmot did not back off from the basic issue, that you’re not Korean. Your nationality isn’t a “irrelevent” issue as long as you try to imply a “native” authority with your constant usage of “we” and “our” in your comments.
With this inept exhibition of your invented nationality, you’ve made this peripherial detail an issue for other readers of this blog! It tells me something about the absence of character, dignity and credibility in your existence as a regular commentator on this blog.
Btw, according to my dictionary it’s spelled “irrelevant”, you intellectual megalomaniac. Don’t you know how to use your own mother tongue correctly?
We pray for clowns like you.
Who? The Koreans? The Americans? Or are you using the royal “We”, schizo?!
“We pray for clowns like you.”
Who? The Koreans? The Americans? Or are you using the royal “We”, schizo?!
The immediately preceding sentence reads:
“As long as there are people like you who allow yourself to be distracted by irrelevent peripheral issues such the nationality of your interlocutor, you are prone to being manipulated by far cleverer and debators like myself.”
Thanks again for playing along so well. Really, a simple touche would have been sufficient.
Than I wanna have the last word in this game: hahahaha.
You got it. It’s been fun!
Thanx!
You’re welcome!
It must be hard to be you.
It takes one to know one. Was that the right response?
Both of you, off to your corners.
down boy, down boy…grrrrr…
Whether Mizar is Korean or a mystery meat, I’d still treat him with the derision that he clearly deserves.
Oldboy, just wondering how one becomes an underqualified hagwon [English?] teacher? If mere western ‘burgerflippers’ are asked to come here by Korean owners to teach your kids a,b,c, what does that say about the quality of Korean university graduates? I thought you guys had this amazing education system, right?
I don’t know or care if Mizar is Korean but it would be kind of refreshing if he were, just to hear a Korean person with such a critical perspective. Even if a bit black and white (need more grey here), a lot of what he says is kinda true.
M-Fan: “In the same spirit, it is the concept of being an American that is important. Not whether one looks or behaves like an American.”
Agree with you in the first part. Looks/[race?] don’t/shouldn’t matter. But you lost me on the second part. What do you mean by “behaves like an American”? A lot of Americans behave in a lot of very different ways.
SugarSHin: “Koreans should be proud of being the worst yellow bastards and badasses of East Asia and probably in th world. Being korean means being a pain in the ass forever of the bitter white expat dude!”
What a sad post. I think you overestimate your importance. Said Korean badasses are not so much a pain in the ass for Whitey as oddities who we may find amusing at times and yes, frustrating to deal with at times as well. Hence why I don’t usually post very much.
Although many expats find it useful or fun to vent a little on these blogs it may surprise you that most also had real lives, have real lives, and will continue to have real lives which don’t involve Korea in the least. I feel kinda sorry for you if being a “pain in the ass to Whitey” is your ambition in life. Whenever I leave Korea trust me, the “Korean badasses of Asia” or all-things-Korean are the last thing on my mind. Been there. Done that. Move on. Life is too short and has so much more to offer.
-I don’t know what it is right says:
I read that Korean minister raped Philippine young girl
-I don’t know what it is right says:
He said he is innocent
verve says:
FUCKING A**
-I don’t know what it is right says:
he has hidden money from korean church
verve says:
what did he do with the money?
-I don’t know what it is right says:
He played golf
-I don’t know what it is right says:
He bought real estate
-I don’t know what it is right says:
and he said he is also innocent about it
-I don’t know what it is right says:
it’s a humiliation that I’m Korean
verve says:
These kinds of people should die and burn in HELL!!!
* A few minutes After not reading everything that is written here…………
-I don’t know what it is right says:
well.. i have to read the next time, it’s too long.. i read just a few paragrahs
-I don’t know what it is right says:
actually, i’m proud that i’m korean
verve says:
yeah u are?
good for you!
-I don’t know what it is right says:
we have our own language
i live between china and japan
so, i can understand the both cultures
-I don’t know what it is right says:
but i usually say the dark side of korea
we have many faults..
verve says:
You damn right you have a lot of faults!
-I don’t know what it is right says:
as you know already.. he he…
verve says:
yeah!
-I don’t know what it is right says:
please forgive ugly korean…
verve says:
bwahahahahahhaha
-I don’t know what it is right says:
ok, i have to go.. ^^
good night..
for you, the sun will be shining..
안녕..
잘자요.. ^^
—————————THE END————————-
Geeeezzzzzzz……….
When will Korea learn to put these sanctimonious, ingrate expat bastards in their rightful places?
mook, I meant it sarcastic. Many mainly male Western expats, venting their anger unfairly and unbalanced at Gyopos and native Koreans here, seems to be so small minded and self-interested in their own well-being. They rightfully might have their personal and general issues with the living conditions in Korea, but keep always in mind, as sad as it might be for the forementioned expat dudes, the Korean society don’t give much of a shit about their nagging.
And btw, “shibal_sheki” (shouldn’t it be shibal-sekki?), please shut it.
It’s Sheki, not Sekki.
Korean mainstream society doesnt a shit about expat bellyaching any more than US mainstream society does about say…Mexicans. The difference is, Mexicans are picking fruit, cleaning tables, and washing dishes and doing jobs that Americans* refuse to do. Expats are paid handsomely to teach a language that they had known all their lives in the English hagwon goldmines, provided living quarters, paid flight expenses, while enjoying a status similar to that of a B-level celebrity. Not bad for someone with a useless liberal arts degree who didnt know what to do with his life. Yet still, if you take one of the most overprivileged group of people with the world’s highest sense of entitlement and put them in the position where they are suddenly a minority, then you have a level of shit-fest that is wildly disproportionate to their actual number and overall significance. I just happen to think that Korea should start treating them more like Mexicans and give em something real to complain about. As the Model Expat, Fred Reed once said: “Solve your problems, live with them, or have the grace to STFU.”
* Yeah, I know there’s also Canucks, Aussies, Kiwis, and the odd European but for my convience you all fall under the general heading of “American” since you’re all miguk-noms in Korea anyways. Dont blame me, blame Hollywood.
Mook,
Sugar Shin: “mook, I meant it sarcastic”
Sorry, I missed the sarcasm. It’s often hard to convey it without aural-visual cues.
Sugar Shin: “…as sad as it might be for the forementioned expat dudes, the Korean society don’t give much of a shit about their nagging”
Well you got that right. Tell it to the hagwon owners whose mantra is so often ‘contract change.’ But it’s not just the loser EFL expats who ‘nag’ about the difficulties of trying to get normal standards in place. You should hear the expat business community in SK and what they ‘gripe’ about. I guess they’re all losers, too?
Shibal_Sekki: “Expats are paid handsomely to teach a language that they had known all their lives in the English hagwon goldmines, provided living quarters, paid flight expenses, while enjoying a status similar to that of a B-level celebrity. Not bad for someone with a useless liberal arts degree who didnt know what to do with his life. Yet still, if you take one of the most overprivileged group of people with the world’s highest sense of entitlement and put them in the position where they are suddenly a minority, then you have a level of shit-fest that is wildly disproportionate to their actual number and overall significance. I just happen to think that Korea should start treating them more like Mexicans and give em something real to complain about. As the Model Expat, Fred Reed once said: “Solve your problems, live with them, or have the grace to STFU.”
Wow. Talk about bitter. Thanks for the advice but ’solving problems’ and ’shutting the fuck up’ just don’t sync well if you want to make real progress, at least where I come from. You equate legitimate complaints regarding the widespread and well-documented abuse of contracts in the Korean EFL scene and concerns about the refusal of the Korean government/society to regulate the ‘education industry’ with expat ‘bellyaching’. What you fail to recognize are the educational benefits such changes could have for Korean English language students. If they/their parents etc. decided to complain a bit more about hagwon/university education standards instead of having hissyfits over the name of the Sea of Japan or Dokdo, ad infinitum, expats might have no need to stir the shit for you.
And don’t all the EFL expats have to at least have a real BA/BSc to work in Korea? See, again, where I come from a degree isn’t awarded pretty much automatically for getting into the ‘university’ but a 4 or 5 year slog which involves real work, work and more work. You can fail courses and hell, they’ll even throw you out for plagiarsim. You may well ask “What gives with that?”
On top of their useless degrees many have also completed other useless EFL qualifications and are, in spite of frequent opposition, dedicated to their job/field. Here’s one for Ripley’s: many people actually train to become EFL teachers and it’s a career choice like any other. Some decide to get into it later in life just the same as anyone who decides on a (sometimes tempory) career change. Others are young graduates just here to pay off a student loan so they can continue with their real studies later. Some are just interested in travel and a different cultural experience - which they get.(I’ve even met two EFL hagwon employees who worked for NASA and no, not in the cafeteria). But in general even the typical expat graduate of Hamburger U. is much more skilled in the target language/EFL techniques than their Korean counterparts, and the hagwon owners at least know that much.
People like you may bitterly resent this state of affairs all you like yet strangely said burgerflippers are in high demand, so it’s a bit silly to seriously call the degrees ‘useless’. They’re even less useless if one plans to continue to more advanced study after earning a few bucks in Korea. But even if they are in fact useless as an EFL qualification, their local Korean BA/Bsc qualifications are then even even more so, don’t you agree? Otherwise, why advertise for foreigners to fill the positions?
But enough of EFL teachers, what exactly is it that you do for a living? I’m sure you’re much better qualified to teach EFL to Korean kindergarten kids - otherwise why rant on about the low expat standard? But if not hope you have ‘Nobel’ on your CV because I’m not easily impressed, either.
I agree with you on this; it’s certainly a goldmine, but for the language hagwon owners, most of whom can’t string a sentence together to save their life let alone implement a solid course design. It’s actually too bad more foreigners can’t own/manage the EFL industry in South Korea because implementation of international standards is Sorely lacking here. I’ve known many teachers who’ve left SK in disgust after the frustrations of trying to change the system for the betterment of their students.
FYI, the moment the hagwon owners do decide to ‘get tougher’ and lower wages, dishonour more contracts, etc. and treat the EFL bellyachers like the ‘wetbacks of Asia’ is the moment there’ll be puh-lenty of work for guys like you because most of the remaining real teachers will be outta here in a flash. They have other options and the worldwide demand for English is just getting greater with each passing day.
Oldboy: Huh? English please?
Shibal_Seki: “When will Korea learn to put these sanctimonious, ingrate expat bastards in their rightful places?”
Just saw this post. “Ingrate”? Please tell me this is another of your attempts at sarcasm. I mean, you just gotta be kidding my man. I don’t enjoy bringing this up again but foreign Whitey bastards (and Black, Brown and Yellow “bastards”, too) have saved Korea’s ass more times than I can shake a stick at. So I’ll tell you when Koreans can “put us [expats] in our rightful places” - when you’ve given us an equivelent amount of education, technology, economic aid, and soldiers lives. You have the gaul to call expats ingrates? Pot. Kettle. Deeply Black. Man, some people.
as sad as it might be for the forementioned expat dudes, the Korean society don’t give much of a shit about their nagging.
Yep, that’s our problem in a nutshell. It’s bad enough that we are so stuck in a narrow-minded frame of reference that we don’t know better. But what’s worse is that we lack the humility to listen to the people who do know better.
By the way, the expats are many things but certainly not sad. They know they can walk away from here in time, whereas our people are often so desperate to get out that many get swindled into paying huge sums of money.
I realize it’s easy to curse the messenger, to portray him as the one with the problem. But this is called psychological projection.
When I’m wrong and my country is at fault, I value being corrected. Some folks want to pretend the problems away and even go as far as to beat up well-intentioned people who point them out. Now that’s sad.
Many mainly male Western expats, venting their anger unfairly and unbalanced at Gyopos and native Koreans here, seems to be so small minded and self-interested in their own well-being.
This is classic psychological projection. I see neither anger nor venting. I just see dispassionate analysis. Funny how people betray themselves by their interpretations.
shibal_sheki wrote:
“Korean mainstream society doesnt a shit about expat bellyaching any more than US mainstream society does about say…Mexicans. The difference is, Mexicans are picking fruit, cleaning tables, and washing dishes and doing jobs that Americans* refuse to do. Expats are paid handsomely to teach a language that they had known all their lives in the English hagwon goldmines, provided living quarters, paid flight expenses, while enjoying a status similar to that of a B-level celebrity. Not bad for someone with a useless liberal arts degree who didnt know what to do with his life.”
About your Mexican comments:
First of all, yes, there are many Mexicans that come to the U.S. that are decent, honest, hard-working individuals, that want nothing more in life than to provide a better life for their family back in their home country by earning higher wages in the U.S. However, 1) by circumventing the U.S. immigration policy, it’s screwing the people that have been waiting patiently in line to do things the right way - legally; 2) Many Mexicans bring infectious, contagious diseases with them knowingly or unknowingly; 3) by accepting jobs “Americans don’t want to do” is artifically suppressing wages in the U.S. by as much as 30% ~ 40%; 4) American tax payers are footing the bill for their medical needs / paying higher insurance premiums / filling our prisons while here illegally.
About your attack on English teachers:
In regards to your silly comments about Americans (native speakers of English) that come to Korea to teach English, or pursue any other occupation for that matter, it’s a simple matter of supply and demand. There’s an obvious need for their services.
Being paid handsomely to teach English? $1,800 (W1,728,000) a month is big money huh? An American with a high school diploma makes more than this in the U.S., with a much lower cost of living. Most American college graduates make $2,700 - $8,500 a month (depending on their area of study and quality of their university) fresh out of university in the U.S.
You really ought to thank English teachers for their willingness to spend a few years of their lives trying to better Korea, and Koreans with their teaching efforts — it’s quite a noble profession. No matter what, living abroad in Korea is fairly difficult and definitely trying at times particularly when encountering jerks like yourself that seem to have a xenophobic disposition. But, that’s not really fair, I doubt you get along with anyone in life.
Finally, I can’t hardly resist to question on your statement about English teachers’ education being “useless”. What sort of education do you have, that empowers you with this apparent superiority complex? Or is it in fact, an inferiority complex?
Sugar(sic)Many mainly male Western expats, venting their anger unfairly and unbalanced at Gyopos and native Koreans here, seems to be so small minded and self-interested in their own well-being.
“Unfair” - let me elucidate this plainly. Those who heap generous portions of derision on people of other races but not granting them the privilige of honest criticism are “venting…unfairly”.
“Small minded” would describe a person who is so intolerent of dissenting opinions that he attmepts to exclude the exponant thereof by questioning his race, nationality and character.
“Unbalanced” is the delusional paranoia of a person who will not face the reality that nobody’s out to get you but are simply fellow humans rather than the unsympathetic caricatures you percieve them to be.
Mizar5:
What does “privilige” and “exponant” mean? Why do you dislike mainly male, Western ex-patriates so much?
So, following your logic about ex-patriates complaining in Korea, when Koreans are upset about or don’t understand something outside of Korea while abroad, they should be told to STFU and harassed by a xeonophobic netizen that loves to spam other’s blogs?
Oh my, you’re so densed, Miz.
“Many” - means not all! There’re many expat dudes or K-blogger out there, that I really dig adn respect: The Mamrot, Mr. Oranckay, Antti and dda.
“male Western expats” - besides some exceptions the great majority of commentators here are, what, ah, “male Western expats”.
Why questioning your race, nationality and character? You pretend to be of Korean origin, although you’re not. Ask the Marmot.
No unfair and unbalanced gyopo-/Korea-bashing going on here? Are you kidding?
Let me quote Marmot’s comment towards lil’ putin “dogbertt”: Must we engage in gyopo bashing?
Another quote of Marmot about you, Mizar5.
Sambek_ZX—Because of its nature, you need to take anything you read in Wikipedia with a grain of salt. Much as you should claims by Mizar5 that he was warning students of anything in 1980. The owner of this place questions in a subtile way your… hm, claims. That says something about your, hm, low status in his eyes. That should make you feel sad.
Mizar5:
I see neither anger nor venting. I just see dispassionate analysis. Funny how people betray themselves by their interpretations.
Than you’re blind. Funny how you betray yourself: of what you are and what you represent.
Man, SS… Come up with some quotes of your own, or at least learn how to argue your way out of a wet paper sack. You’ll sound much less sycophantic for it, trust me.
I love to quote the Marmot. I think he has the best overview, what’s going on at (t)his place. Thanx for your advice. I’ll come back after a rhetoric crash course. Don’t have much time at hand to “argue” in a proper way.
It was a pretty pathetic argument and, no the Marmot does not know who I am and took a wild stab in the dark. Sugar admittedly does not “‘argue’ in a proper way.” End of story.
That says something about your, hm, low status in his eyes. That should make you feel sad.
Get a clue. You are defined by your OWN representations, not those who take pot shots in the dark.
Remort asked:
Mizar5: What does “privilige” and “exponant” mean? Why do you dislike mainly male, Western ex-patriates so much?
Address your comments to Sugar Shin whom I was quoting and to whom the criticism rightly applies.
You know what these words mean, but, to misquote Samual Johnson, correcting an interlocutor’s spelling is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Shin is guilty of this also. This is not surprising since it is a dirty form of argument that straddles “ad hominem”, “strawman” and other logical fallacies. It is only natural that he would build his arguments on logical fallacies, not only because his arguments are fallacious but because he is, after all, attempting to defend the indefensible - prejudice.
Remort continues:
So, following your (sic - Shin’s) logic about ex-patriates complaining in Korea, when Koreans are upset about or don’t understand something outside of Korea while abroad, they should be told to STFU and harassed by a xeonophobic netizen that loves to spam other’s blogs?
Precisely. This is the double standard form of hypocracy that he upholds. If you don’t think like him, you are excluded from his race (he purports to be Korean) and, in fact, the race of respectable human beings.
My response is to allow him discredit himself with arguments based on “truthiness” (see wikipedia) and emotionalism and bias rather than actual analysis. My intent is to show that not all Koreans think like this.
In fact, what is sad is that you think it sad.
Four consecutive posts in a row. Geee,you’re desperate.
As I said, it must be hard to be you.
Lol. I was experimenting with different servers and some didn’t copy right away, so I reposted.
Four consecutive posts in a row. Geee,you’re desperate.
As I said, it must be hard to be you.
Yes, that’s your argument in a nutshell - “you suck”. But if that’s what you’d like to believe, then what does that say about you?
Mizar5 scribbled:
“You know what these words mean, but, to misquote Samual Johnson, correcting an interlocutor’s spelling is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
It’s called illiteracy. A scoundrel, huh? That’s cute.
Mizar5 scribbled:
“My intent is to show that not all Koreans think like this.”
It appears as if you are failing. In any event, I’m sure that Koreans would really appreciate knowing that you are educating all of us “unfair, small-minded, and unbalanced” Western devils about them and their culture.
Lol, Remort, have it your way. You too Sugar. Being attacked and misinterpreted by fuzzy logicians from both sides of the spectrum is a rare honor.