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		<title>By: Remort</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-34703</link>
		<dc:creator>Remort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 07:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically, EWHA has produced only first-ladies.  It's nice to see EWHA getting to snub those cocky Seoul National University students.  I wonder what her doctorate is in, law perhaps?  Good for Korea!  I'm happy to see that Korea can be progressive at least in the political arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically, EWHA has produced only first-ladies.  It&#8217;s nice to see EWHA getting to snub those cocky Seoul National University students.  I wonder what her doctorate is in, law perhaps?  Good for Korea!  I&#8217;m happy to see that Korea can be progressive at least in the political arena.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33900</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snow:

For the record, "another white guy" was a pretty dumb turn of phrase.  But as I am myself of the Caucasian persuasion, I claim the right to use the expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow:</p>
<p>For the record, &#8220;another white guy&#8221; was a pretty dumb turn of phrase.  But as I am myself of the Caucasian persuasion, I claim the right to use the expression.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33898</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"rokman", you still have not addressed my main point, that is "the quality of a society is not decided upon which sex leads rather upon the participation of individuals therein — both men and women, together."  The quotation from the author is still relevant and that is the quality of the relationship between the sexes that determines the quality of the society, not wither or not men are in charge.  A good example of societies that have suffered from the lack of such participation are Jordan, Pakistan or any number of middle-eastern nations where women are treated more like property than people and are often killed to avenge the honor of men.  To most people who do not live with the antique mindset that is more common in these societies, one would not want to live in such places, considering the quality of life therein.  

Also, contrary to your assertions about "modern society" and "nature", I quote Aristotle, "Man(kind) is by nature a political animal." and that was more than a few centuries ago.  I think it is pretty obvious to most people that modern society is not about raw, physical struggle but is political in nature, unless one goes around mugging people on the sidewalk or is a professional fighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;rokman&#8221;, you still have not addressed my main point, that is &#8220;the quality of a society is not decided upon which sex leads rather upon the participation of individuals therein — both men and women, together.&#8221;  The quotation from the author is still relevant and that is the quality of the relationship between the sexes that determines the quality of the society, not wither or not men are in charge.  A good example of societies that have suffered from the lack of such participation are Jordan, Pakistan or any number of middle-eastern nations where women are treated more like property than people and are often killed to avenge the honor of men.  To most people who do not live with the antique mindset that is more common in these societies, one would not want to live in such places, considering the quality of life therein.  </p>
<p>Also, contrary to your assertions about &#8220;modern society&#8221; and &#8220;nature&#8221;, I quote Aristotle, &#8220;Man(kind) is by nature a political animal.&#8221; and that was more than a few centuries ago.  I think it is pretty obvious to most people that modern society is not about raw, physical struggle but is political in nature, unless one goes around mugging people on the sidewalk or is a professional fighter.</p>
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		<title>By: rokman</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33896</link>
		<dc:creator>rokman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to the matriarchy example:  BFD (Big F**king Deal)

The most relevant passage that rendered the entire article meaningless is right at the very beginning:  "For the last century, historians, anthropologists and other scholars have searched both human history and the continents to find a matriarchy -- a society where the power was in the hands of women, not men."

That's really all you need to know:  by virtue of their extreme rarity, these (alleged) matriarchies simply do not exist anywhere near the numbers that can be classified as common or workable in nature.  They are simply curious anomalies. 

That whole example (from a woman, BTW) actually came off like some desperate mad scramble to find something - ANYTHING - that fits her notion of what her perfect matriarchal society should be like.  Very ideological (i.e., feminist) in the way she presents her findings.    

And anyway, even granting the truthfulness of this example, this really has nothing to do with the reality of modern western society today - or just reality, period.   Of course males are dominant - they are stronger and more intelligent as a group than females are.  So naturally, men will dominate.  That is a function of nature, not ideology or politics as the women's movement would have you believe.  It is a core aspect not only of Korean/Asian society or of western societies, but of ALL societies.  Take away that aspect and you destroy society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the matriarchy example:  BFD (Big F**king Deal)</p>
<p>The most relevant passage that rendered the entire article meaningless is right at the very beginning:  &#8220;For the last century, historians, anthropologists and other scholars have searched both human history and the continents to find a matriarchy &#8212; a society where the power was in the hands of women, not men.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really all you need to know:  by virtue of their extreme rarity, these (alleged) matriarchies simply do not exist anywhere near the numbers that can be classified as common or workable in nature.  They are simply curious anomalies. </p>
<p>That whole example (from a woman, BTW) actually came off like some desperate mad scramble to find something - ANYTHING - that fits her notion of what her perfect matriarchal society should be like.  Very ideological (i.e., feminist) in the way she presents her findings.    </p>
<p>And anyway, even granting the truthfulness of this example, this really has nothing to do with the reality of modern western society today - or just reality, period.   Of course males are dominant - they are stronger and more intelligent as a group than females are.  So naturally, men will dominate.  That is a function of nature, not ideology or politics as the women&#8217;s movement would have you believe.  It is a core aspect not only of Korean/Asian society or of western societies, but of ALL societies.  Take away that aspect and you destroy society.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33888</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"rokman" you are such a unenlightened troll.  The quality of a society is not decided upon which sex leads rather upon the participation of individuals therein -- both men and women, together.  Here is a fair example of such: &lt;a href="http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0205a/matriarchy.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;A contemporary notion of matriarchy and a sucessful society&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . "Neither male nor female rule is possible because of the Minangkabau belief that decision-making should be by consensus," Dr. Sanday said. "In answer to my persistent questions about 'who rules,' I was often told that I was asking the wrong question. Neither sex rules, it was explained to me, because males and females complement one another. As with everything else, the Minangkabau have a proverb to describe the partnership relationship between the sexes: 'Like the skin and nail of the fingertip.'"&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Your contention is anti-social, flawed, untenable and does not help "tiqtoRI"s sense of well-being either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;rokman&#8221; you are such a unenlightened troll.  The quality of a society is not decided upon which sex leads rather upon the participation of individuals therein &#8212; both men and women, together.  Here is a fair example of such: <a href="http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0205a/matriarchy.html" rel="nofollow">A contemporary notion of matriarchy and a sucessful society</a></p>
<blockquote><p>. . . &#8220;Neither male nor female rule is possible because of the Minangkabau belief that decision-making should be by consensus,&#8221; Dr. Sanday said. &#8220;In answer to my persistent questions about &#8216;who rules,&#8217; I was often told that I was asking the wrong question. Neither sex rules, it was explained to me, because males and females complement one another. As with everything else, the Minangkabau have a proverb to describe the partnership relationship between the sexes: &#8216;Like the skin and nail of the fingertip.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Your contention is anti-social, flawed, untenable and does not help &#8220;tiqtoRI&#8221;s sense of well-being either.</p>
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		<title>By: rokman</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33879</link>
		<dc:creator>rokman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without men as the backbone of society, society is nothing.

Patriarchy, as a cultural and societal norm, best ensures and delivers long term stability, human decency and widespread well-being amongst the population at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without men as the backbone of society, society is nothing.</p>
<p>Patriarchy, as a cultural and societal norm, best ensures and delivers long term stability, human decency and widespread well-being amongst the population at large.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33837</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"rokman" has nicely summerized why the Power Rangers always beat that evil japanese witch . . .  Up with Penis Power!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;rokman&#8221; has nicely summerized why the Power Rangers always beat that evil japanese witch . . .  Up with Penis Power!</p>
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		<title>By: rokman</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33815</link>
		<dc:creator>rokman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"rokman, you’re nuts, leaders like Margaret Thatcher had more balls than most men. More like her are badly needed, whether they be men or women."

It is contemptible that women are described in (undeserved) glowing terms in such a way that men are simultaneously defiled and degraded - it frankly reeks of self-hatred.  Thatcher, BTW, is not held in high esteem by many British conservatives.  She once famously said that '"there is no such thing as society" - and she ran the country with that in mind.  

She was extremely narrow minded who cared about nothing except making sure the books balanced.  For her, money defined everything - morality, honor and the definition of self.  The ethics of me, me, me, me.  She was a zealous disciple of monetarism:  for her, it was her ethics, defining everything and for all time, from soul to bank balance.  And it hugely strengthened the dreadfully mistaken belief that women could not be fulfilled people if they chose family and motherhood as the cornerstone of their lives.

When a political party or a nation chooses a woman as its leader, it has lost its soul and has sold its integrity to the pimps of political correctness.

And the more influence women gain in whatever political, academic, technological, economic or artistic field you can think of - the greater will be its decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;rokman, you’re nuts, leaders like Margaret Thatcher had more balls than most men. More like her are badly needed, whether they be men or women.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is contemptible that women are described in (undeserved) glowing terms in such a way that men are simultaneously defiled and degraded - it frankly reeks of self-hatred.  Thatcher, BTW, is not held in high esteem by many British conservatives.  She once famously said that &#8216;&#8221;there is no such thing as society&#8221; - and she ran the country with that in mind.  </p>
<p>She was extremely narrow minded who cared about nothing except making sure the books balanced.  For her, money defined everything - morality, honor and the definition of self.  The ethics of me, me, me, me.  She was a zealous disciple of monetarism:  for her, it was her ethics, defining everything and for all time, from soul to bank balance.  And it hugely strengthened the dreadfully mistaken belief that women could not be fulfilled people if they chose family and motherhood as the cornerstone of their lives.</p>
<p>When a political party or a nation chooses a woman as its leader, it has lost its soul and has sold its integrity to the pimps of political correctness.</p>
<p>And the more influence women gain in whatever political, academic, technological, economic or artistic field you can think of - the greater will be its decline.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33775</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I got the impression that Rock's character's party was indeed supposed to be the Democrats (although neither party was ever named, and I may just be reading my own assumptions into the whole thing).  And there wasn't really any identity politics written into it...it's just that there was one sleazebag who had his own career aspirations, and was setting Rock's character up.  I shouldn't have written "another white guy" at the end like that, but the way it might have come across was not the way I meant it to come across.

And I'm just as suspicious of Hollywood flakiness as you are...overall, the movie was kind of silly, but it had its moments, and was much more a standard Chris Rock vehicle than a standard Hollywood flick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I got the impression that Rock&#8217;s character&#8217;s party was indeed supposed to be the Democrats (although neither party was ever named, and I may just be reading my own assumptions into the whole thing).  And there wasn&#8217;t really any identity politics written into it&#8230;it&#8217;s just that there was one sleazebag who had his own career aspirations, and was setting Rock&#8217;s character up.  I shouldn&#8217;t have written &#8220;another white guy&#8221; at the end like that, but the way it might have come across was not the way I meant it to come across.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m just as suspicious of Hollywood flakiness as you are&#8230;overall, the movie was kind of silly, but it had its moments, and was much more a standard Chris Rock vehicle than a standard Hollywood flick.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/20/changing-times/#comment-33774</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rokman, you're nuts, leaders like Margaret Thatcher had more balls than most men. More like her are badly needed, whether they be men or women.

"kind of like the Chris Rock character in Head of State, who’s selected by his party to be its first African American presidential candidate, but only because it’s assumed the party’s going to lose anyhow, so he could be safely shunted aside after the election loss, and replaced with another white guy."  

Let me guess, as a Hollywood picture, the offending party was those evil Republicans, right? And even if it were the Democrats, the story still plays to the leftist mindset of the 'evil rich white patriarchary'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rokman, you&#8217;re nuts, leaders like Margaret Thatcher had more balls than most men. More like her are badly needed, whether they be men or women.</p>
<p>&#8220;kind of like the Chris Rock character in Head of State, who’s selected by his party to be its first African American presidential candidate, but only because it’s assumed the party’s going to lose anyhow, so he could be safely shunted aside after the election loss, and replaced with another white guy.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Let me guess, as a Hollywood picture, the offending party was those evil Republicans, right? And even if it were the Democrats, the story still plays to the leftist mindset of the &#8216;evil rich white patriarchary&#8217;.</p>
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