MUST READ!!!
Over at Coming Anarchy, Lirelou gives some MUST READ commentary on long-term peace in East Asia, especially after Korean re-unification. Read the whole thing on your own; here’s is just the intro:
My personal assessment about the chances of long term peace in East Asia are pessimistic. The “pax Americana” is coming to an end, but I do not see an Asian “age of aquarius” on the horizon. Rather, we are seeing a nationalist resurgence in China, Korea, and Japan—the legacy of state indoctrination programs in the two former, and recidivist nationalism in the latter.
The reunification of Korea is inevitable, but it will be a far more painful process than many Koreans expect. Once that pain is felt, who will they blame? The extreme left, which may be discredited when Nork gulags are revealed, will point the finger at the U.S. Right-wing nationalists will look to Japan, as Korea would never have been divided and developed into a modern nation much like Singapore and Taiwan were it not for Japan’s colonialism. That argument is likely to find support among the Korean populace, and will likely whet their appetite for revenge. Add to this the very real possibility that China’s continued economic rise has by that time cut into the Korean GDP (adding to real price of reunification), and you may have a social discontent factor that is presently absent in South Korea.
Like I said, it’s a good piece, so read the rest on your own.
Allow me to add some comments of my own. Let me start off with the question of Korean reunification. I agree the reunification is pretty much inevitable, although I think most Koreans already believe the process will be extraordinarily painful. My own guess is that when the realities of the gulag state are revealed in a way that can no longer be denied or ignored, the left will be too busy trying to take credit for “subverting” the North Korean state through Sunshine and fending off attacks from the right and the right too busy racking in political capital by blaming the left (especially if, as some suspect, the collapse of North Korea is accompanied by the revelation that more than a few South Korean figures were on Pyongyang’s payroll) for either group to focus primarily on blaming outside powers. And at any rate, the post-unification process is likely to be so painful that it might force Korea to be rather self-absorbed with its own problems for quite some time. The chances of post-unification Korean nationalism taking on a nasty streak, however, could increase dramatically depending on how the collapse of North Korea/reunification process goes down. In particular, there could be a great deal of resentment if Chinese troops are included in any international peacekeeping force sent to stabilize North Korean territory in the wake of an implosion. As it stands now, it seems the question is not whether or not China will send troops to North Korea for security reasons and/or to gain leverage over the reunification process, but rather how many troops it will send. If the Chinese are perceived to be pursuing an agenda quite apart from Seoul’s, Koreans might start to look for their modern-day Kim Yu-sin.
Apart from the Koreans, Korean re-unification–or at least the process thereof–could lead to tensions between other key actors in the region. This really needs no explanation, and is one of the reasons why the collapse of North Korea must be handled with the utmost care.
As for the long-term prospects of peace in Northeast Asia, I’m a bit more optimistic than Lirelou. I don’t expect any of the major parties to like one another anytime soon, but at the same time, there is much more economic and social linkages and exchanges between Korea, China and Japan than there ever was between the West and the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War. Granted, economic and social connectivity didn’t stop World War I, and there certainly are flash-points (Taiwan comes immediately to mind). One must also keep in mind the possibility of conflict as a rising hegemon (in this case, China) begins to challenge an existing one (in this case, the United States). My own personal fear is that the wheels might come off the Chinese economic development wagon, forcing the Chinese Communist Party to play-up hyper-nationalist in order to redirect social discontent. There are tons of possible scenarios out there, some more likely than others. Ultimately, however, this is the nuclear age, and in the age of the atom, the big boys don’t fight one another. The costs simply outweigh the benefits of victory, especially when the status quo (with or without American troops) seems to be making so much money for everyone involved. East Asia is inhabited by “big boys” that either have nuclear weapons, are protected by American nuclear weapons and/or can develop nuclear arsenals overnight. Doesn’t leave much room for players to muscle around without blowing up the entire neighborhood. I could conceive of regional powers coming to blows outside the region–for control of oil and gas resources in Central Asia, for example–but I find it difficult to imagine, just to take one example, China threatening Japan’s vital interests in a manner that could prompt Japan (or its American ally) to respond by turning Beijing into a sheet of glass.
I could be wrong, of course. And often am.


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I agree that reunification will be pain and more painful the longer it is delayed (although neither Korea has the kind of social welfare programs that helped make German reunification so expensive).
But I think pain can be greatly reduced in the medium term (5-20 years) if Korea takes a friendly approach towards foreign investment in the northern half of the country. That would pump more money into northern Korea than asking for international aid would.
You would have definite division of labor in those companies with foreign senior management, southern Korean middle management and northern Korean workers, but that beats making development of the northern half of the country a multi-generational project.
IMO, you are 99% right.
I think all those concerns about NE Asian conflicts are way overblown.
I think some of these premises need challenging.
Who says the Pax Americana is coming to an end? Keeping the peace in East/Northeast Asia is highly beneficial both to American ideals and to American commerce/business. The US acts as a geopolitical ground-plug to keep things from getting out of hand, and the leaders of Korea and Japan (and grudgingly, China) acknowledge that (and tacitly or openly encourage it).
Yeah, fifty/sixty years is a long time to be in some place, but the US has had a presence on Cuba for a hundred years, and look how hostile they’ve been to the US for the last four decades. Yeah, despite leftist groups in Korea and in Japan, the US presence will remain (and should remain).
I would also like to point out that Taiwan is also a lingering, unresolved problem, adding one more major reason for the US to maintain a strong presence in the region.
A nationalist resurgence in Korea? No, it’s the same old crap humming along, generated by the same leftist groups as before. Plus, on the right, Park Chunghee was quite the nationalist, as was Rhee. Things weren’t all that different under Chun.
Reunification is inevitable? I think it’s likely, but nowhere near the inevitable stage.
Once that pain is felt, political opportunists will be pointing fingers in order to augment their supporters. BUT, most people will be too heavily involved with fixing that pain to point fingers, which will quickly be seen as a waste of time.
Remember, the chinbo (“progressive”) agitators don’t run the show here, which is why they make such a loud stink about everything.
Many reasons exist for us to believe that the age of Pax America is just about over. The chief among them is China in 2006 looks a lot like the US in 1876 and we all know how that worked out.
With wealth comes geopolitical power. And I still think that Korea will be the place where the Great Asian Inflection Point takes place. Korea could very well “switch sides” almost overnight if the Chinese were to dangle the prospect of unification in front of them.
(I’m thinking along the lines that China meddles in the North should it collapse.)
And with the United States tied down in Iraq until the sun goes supernova, the United States really isn’t in the position to give anyone much grief other than a-bomb saber rattling. (If China invaded Taiwan…now THAT would be interesting.)
No one is prepared for unification — how could they be?
By the way, someone other than me is writing over at Migukin! (Thanks, Katie!) And I just saved a lot on my car insurance!
Lirelou’s concerns are certainly pessimistic. Perhaps even overblown. What’s wrong with that? We’re not having a contest to see who’s predictions will be the most correct in ten years so we can give that person a medal. Instead, we’re thinking of how to prepare for the future — and the best way to do that is with measured pessimistic realism.
Nothing wrong with pessimism. As they say, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. And at any rate, the pessimists are often right.
Keep what peace? Who is fighting what? America keeping peace? Actually, the peacekeeper of the future will be Malaysia. We just organized the inaugural East Asian Summit late last year. So from now on, it will be held yearly. East Asian Summit will grow in the footsteps of the ASEAN group. We will make sure Japan-Korea and China talks to each other and play the t-shirt diplomacy thorugh informal outings of the leaders of all East asian countries. By releasing this tension through games of golf between the world leaders, we undermine any prospect of war and any need for these countries to continue to rely on the US for security. Pretty nifty for a small nation like Malaysia to do. It can be said that because of ASEAN, South East Asia is free from outside influences compared with North East Asia. Philippines even ejected the US from Subic Bay more than a decade ago. And with East Asian Summit being masterminded by Malaysia, we will spread the word of peace to continue to undermine the unnecessary tension. See:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/e.....503585.htm
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If reunification is inevitable, then so is a second Korean War.
In fact, the odds of having one without the other are slim to none, and slim left town about the time the Sunshine Policy arrived.
“the United States really isn’t in the position to give anyone much grief other than a-bomb saber rattling.”
Really?
Everything I’ve read, Nomad, has shown that the United States has some serious Imperial Over-Reach going on. And I say that from a political standpoint as much as a military standpoint.
In other words, we have the troups in the reserves, but politically it would be highly unlikely that we could actually use them. Things would have to get REALLY SERIOUS before Bush would feel he had the political cover to call up 500,000 more troups to swoop into the DPRK or any other major geoplitical problem that might happen.
But let me stress that I’m not an expert and I’m sure you and any number of others can prove how horribly wrong I am. Maybe I just read the long hair freaky people of Slate too much.
Let me repeat: this is just my casual observer opinion mixed with being a serious history nerd. Please, no betting!
I just have a question?
Doesn’t North Korea and China have a mutual defense pact? For centurys China has had it’s eyes on Korea, as part of the greater Chinese Empire. In fact, the Chinese still consider a vassal state, with a King under the Chinese Emperor.
When NK does fall apart, why won’t China just march in an annex the land as part of the greater China, just like Tibet? What will 21 million poor North Koreans do to the economy of China? Except provide more fodder for the China industrial grist mill? I’m not sure that Korea will ever reunify.
Korea would largely be helpless to fight the Chinese. They tried to complain about the restructuring of the Chinese GOvernment’s webiste about Korean History and failed. When they said that Chinese KimChi was inferior to Korean KimChi, China slapped duties on Korean goods being sent to China and pointed out that Korean KimChi was no better.
Will the US military be willing to fight China today, not just for economy terms, but there shear numbers of Chinese troops?
I don’t know, Just food for thought!
Actually, I put my money on *bird flu deluxe* and the ravaging effect it will have on China and many parts of Asia. This will destabilize many countries in the region, which may well be the harbinger of war in Asia.
I have more confidence in the furious mutation of virii than the clumsy intentions of countries.
Inevitable? Who would benefit from reunification?
US status quo: no.
ROK status quo: no.
KJI: um, no.
Chinese status quo: maybe.
Japanese status quo: no.
China cannot annex the North so long as the United States has a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of Korea, because according to the Korean Constitution the entire peninsula is the territory of the Republic of Korea. My money, however, is on Yankee abrogation of that treaty sometime real soon now (the upcoming Free Trade Agreement Riots could be the trigger, or maybe some new provocation against USFK). The day that happens, my little ones go to live at Grandpa’s.
It would be GLORIOUS indeed for the treaty to end. These people don’t deserve for another drop of American blood to be shed for them. I honestly don’t understand why the prostesters don’t go to the blue house and protest for us to leave. I’m sure if Noh asked Rumsfeld or Bush, that we’d be gone within 3 months.
I think that one of the major premises of this well-thought out piece deserves more scrutiny. It is not at all clear to me that Korean reunification is inevitable. Unless it’s on China’s terms, Korean reunification looks very problematic to me. Another way of framing the issue is whether South Korea will choose to become precisely what it never really has been vis-a-vis the US - a sort of vassal state – in order to satisfy its ethno-nationalist urges. That is, I think, the choice that China is going to try to force on South Korea in order to wiggle it away from the “West”. It also wouldn’t surprise me if South Korean elites (of all political stripes) got on this train when it started to leave the station, just as the remnants of the Guomindang in Taiwan are sucking up to the PRC, in order to preserve their own political and economic prerogatives, while letting the people eat the rice cake of danilminjok.
“Once U.S. forces leave the Peninsula, which I believe will be within two to three years following reunification, the gloves will be off.”
I sincerely doubt that. Preventing arms races with the mere presence of U.S. troops in a country/region is time-tested and very apparent.
As GI Korea points out (at Coming Anarchy), in regard to reunification, Koreans talk the talk but are unwilling to walk the walk. A very vocal minority calls for the immediate withdraw of U.S. troops, while a sizable portion of the country leans towards that but is unsure. However, candid comments from many show a recognition, begrudging or not, that U.S. forces will need to remain in Korea after reunification.
Though most won’t admit it, their collective reaction to Japan doing anything near Dokdo (a.k.a. Takeshima) show it; Koreans are scared silly of Japan. Last year Chinese scholars gave Koreans a wake-up call akin to a kick in the balls with the not so nuanced claim that Koguryo (an ancient Korean kingdom that extended past present-day North Korea well into what is now China) was actually Chinese, making Koreans who were paying attention more alert to the possibility (probability?) of China asserting (i.e., taking over territory, or ‘helping’ NK) itself if/when North Korea collapse.
When South Koreans, particularly policy-makers, take a cold, hard, realistic look at the situation, the U.S. is the only ally that does not have potential territorial claims and allows the most flexibility. Simply put, Korea needs the U.S. if they want to remain relatively free of unwanted influence from China or Japan.
On the flipside, the U.S. wants continued regional stability, which is why those who become angry over anti-Americanism in Korea and want to pull troops out are cutting off their nose despite their face. A continued U.S. troop presence in both Japan and Korea help (but do not guarantee) regional peace/stability, and as expensive as it is, it’s far cheaper in both lives and dollars to continue – even if some Koreans hate us – than to gamble the other way.
http://www.korealiberator.org/.....long-term/
http://www.korealiberator.org/.....ification-–-who-wants-it/
China has looming demographic problems that likely will at best be nightmares and at worst complete catastrophes; a) a rapidly aging society that will place it with two workers for every retired person (thank you one-child-policy), but without the entrenched economic structures of the West, and; b) a gender imbalance that likely will leave at the very least 25 percent of Chinese males with zero prospect for marriage (again thanks to on-child, combined with male child preference).
When you have large numbers of men with no outlets combined with financial strain… well, that’s never exactly been a great setup for internal stability and projecting power. Co-opting those men into the military wouldn’t be an option either – who would pay for it? Besides which the trend for the PLA is to become smaller, not larger.
These problems are beginning to manifest now, and will come to maturing in 15-25 years. If China were to act now, these problems could be lessened some, but it is impossible for China to prevent them (aside from a war to kill excess old people and young males, or other disaster that would take out those populations).
If one believes that China can consolidate enough power in the next 20 years or so to ride out the impending demographic problems, then one might believe that China will be able to join the top Great Powers club and even the verge of the Super Power club; I for one do not think China is capable of it.
So much for realism.
@curzon,
i think lirelou’s piece explored one scenario quite successfully, which led to good discussions as you saw. i suspect he may not think this is the most likely scenario.
my saying ‘overblown’ refers to the general impression i got (however, i may also be blurred by the exaggeration effect of the internet - the loudest got heard most). i had absolutely no intention of relating that adjective to lirelou’s analysis when I wrote the comment above.
people seem to focus on lirelou’s premise of ‘inevitable’. curiously no one seem to qualify how long he refers to? forever? 50 years? 20 years? 10 years? 3 year? tomorrow?
are you saying the 2 koreas would separate 1000 years later?
my view is inevitable in the maybe 10-30 years.
i do not doubt lirelou’s premise, at all.
but since i am thinking about a much longer time-span than some of you (am i right?), the scenario of a reformist NK becomes more likely.
anothe challenge i would post to lirelou’s assumptions is the ‘resurgence of nationalism’. i think someone already pointed out in the other thread that this may be based on misguided perception for koreans, i would like to say that it is also misguided for japan and china.
all 3 countries have more consumers/working bees, less nationalists today, than 10-20 years ago.
(see comments in the CA thread)
QUOTE When NK does fall apart, why won’t China just march in an annex the land as part of the greater China, just like Tibet? END OF QUOTE
Wy? because Tibet was not an internationally recognized government, UN member etc. Can you cite a single example when an internationally recognized state was annexed after 1945? I can think only about Saddam’s experiment with Kuwait, but where is Kuwait now, and where is Saddam? This is not to say that Chinese intervention in NK is impossible - it is very likely, actually. But there will be a North Korean flag over Pyongyang, an anthem and a guy named Kim or Pak sitting in the UN General Assembly as a DPRK representative. A bit like the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe between 1945 and 1990. This is the worst case scenario, of course.
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since the “Koguryo history” issue has been mentioned multiple times here and there, i think it worths a few words here.
1. it is a few chinese historians, not ‘the chinese government’. SK and China government met and agreed to set this aside. below explain why SK was satisfied
2. the ancient capital of koguryo locates in Ji-An city, is right on the China side of Yalu river. there are still historic ruins for tourists today.
some areas of ancient Koguryo also falls on current Jilin and Liaoning province of China. see ethnic map of china for locations (http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2005/11/map-detailed-but-old-ethnolinguistic.html)
3. china told SK that all they cannot negate the historians’ view because the damage has already been done and they are not willing to change the current border. but future controversial contents will be censored. (the hostorians may be politically motivated, or may even have the endorsement from the center. but still it does not neccessarily mean that china claim pyuongyeong and seoul. because koguryo perhaps did not occupy seoul, though PY was under Koguryo control)
4. china further promise SK that it has no territorial ambition across yalu river.
5. SK was satisfied
contrary to what some people might want to think, the history issue represents China’s defensiveness on the current border, not its ambition beyond that border. in many chinese history books we see ‘koguryo, shilla, baekche were the first 3 kingdoms in korea’.
however, quite some SK are not satisfied, because they think the Koguryo territory north of Yalu river also belongs to them.
hope this clarifies the issue a bit.
(china probably also asked SK to publicly announce its recognition of today’s border, if china is to make a public statement about its view on border and the history essay. SK didn’t want to do so and preferred to defer the matter)
to further Lankov’s point,
remember the sino-russian military exercise last years. it was for emergence ‘peace-keeping’ intervention if (NK - who else could it be?) collapses, and some also said US silent supported it (or that was their official explanation to the US).
why US would support such intervention? what could be a better scenario for US under such circumstance, the uranium smuggled to middle east or controlled by KJI II?
“China cannot annex the North so long as the United States has a Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of Korea, because according to the Korean Constitution the entire peninsula is the territory of the Republic of Korea” -
Brendon Carr
It is like saying “a wife can not be raped by another man while her husband is alive because according to her husband she belongs to him”. You see a flow in your logic? China is raping and will continue to rape North Koreans regardless of what the U.S. and South Korea say. China is the man!
In the event of NK collapse, China will roll into NK. I am 100% certain of this. Even Russia may come into NK territory, reasserting their rights according to 1945 treaty. Meanwhile, SK will be told by the U.S. not to go into NK territory. Whether South Koreans will listen to the U.S. is another story.
I wish SK would stay put and let the big boys(China,Russia,the U.S. and Japan) figure what to do with the NK collapse. Or, let the UN decide. SKs with full of emotion can only start a civil war in the peninsula or a regional war between China and Japan. The biggest casualties in either war will be Koreans.
I don’t agree with what many are saying about China.
I don’t think China has that much to gain by invading North Korea. China already has nukes first of all. Second North Korea has a lot of, but mostly outdated military equipment. On top of this China is also very concerned about the 300 000 plus ethnic Koreans already on Chinese soil. Does China want to foot the bill to upgrade North Korea’s dilapidated economy and infrastructure and try to feed their starving population?
If China were to invade North Korea the West could cry foul and possibly impose sanctions. China has tasted American money and has far more to gain by hawking her crappy widgets than invading third-world
dictatorships……
It is not an invasion at all.
Before NK collapse, KJI will request China to come into NK to restore law and order. I believe this document already exist.
Therefore, China will be going into NK at the invitation of the NK government. Therefore, it is not an invasion.
If SK goes into NK territory, that is invasion. Chinese troops will shoot at SK forces. This is why the U.S. will stop SK from moving into NK territory.
The U.S. may protest China’s action, but with the above-mentioned document the U.S. does not have a leg to stand on.
And, this will be the most likely the point where the U.S. and SK will divorce. SK forces will move into NK in direct opposition to the U.S.’s wishes. All SKs will tell the U.S. to go to Hell. This is the main reason why Koreans want the “wartime command authority”. Mainly for this scenario. Possible involvement in Taiwan situation is actually a minor reason.
The U.S. troops will leave the country immediately after SK troops go into NK territory.
‘this is about china being worried about it’s border…’ sunbin
right on the money. but this kind of scenario isn’t sexy to the expat since it doesn’t have china invading all of it’s neighbors.
‘china will do what it wants.’
not in korea. there going to have a vietnam on their hands. bet your bottom dollar.
‘china…’
what will china gain with 70 million angry koreans half of whom are wealthy with advanced technology? c’mon!
it’s just as i have always said about the expat; he thinks without him all us asians are going to kill one another. tsk, tsk, tsk….
“it’s just as i have always said about the expat; he thinks without him all us asians are going to kill one another. tsk, tsk, tsk…. ”
Asian governments seem to think so. Japan and South Korea have hosted US troops since the end of WWII, and the southeast Asian nations of the Philippines, Thailand, and Indonesia have enjoyed close cooperation with the US military by hosting joint exercises, sharing their facilities, and sending their officers to US training schools.
pawikirogi,
I guess you have grown up in the U.S. and think that Asians are as sophisticated as the westerners.
No, not even close.
Asians are stuck in the 1800s. China, Japan and Korea will go to war rather than talk things over. People are crude and their leaders are stupid.
I am not an expat. I am a full-Korean blood KoreanAmerican who have grown up in Korea and have visited Korea often afterwards. I read/write/speak fluent Korean with no accent and I read all major Korean newspapers everyday. I know Koreans.
Just see what Koreans up to today. They are talking about taking the Japanese science ship by force when it comes near EEZ. By force! With guns! If the Japanese do not back down, this can easily start a war. A war! Over a small island!
Once I mentioned in a Korean discussion board a possibility of giving up some territory to prevent a war, the participants immediately calling me with horrible names. There was nobody who would even consider such possibility.
These people want war! Koreans, the Japanese and the Chinese. They are stuck in 1800s.
Do I need to point out that we Westerners have a very long and glorious tradition of killing one another?
Baduk is right I think, China is expansionist, and N.K. is already largely under its wing. It would be easy for China to set up a puppet gov’t in N.K., and it has been paving the way with big investments in the country. They lost half a million Chinese soldiers defending N.K., so they have a historical score to settle with S.K. and the U.S.
Baduk: I’m responding to two comments on two posts.
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First, your tone. You sound a little schitzo.
Second, that’s flawed logic. Koreans on message boards may want war, that doesn’t mean the Chinese and the Japanese want war. I lurk on some 2ch boards and I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve seen call for violence against Korea or China. Rather, it’s mockery and scorn, which at worst manifests itself as “These chinks are crazy!”
Japanese policymakers want Korea and China to calm down and yet refuse to bribe them for it. Just because neighbors foam at the mouth doesn’t mean you should give them an extra corner of your backyard. Indeed, the animosity makes them want to maintain their long-standing territorial claims on both Takeshima and the Senkakus. No country will ever sacrifice this just because demonstrators are burning effigies in the streets.
In this case, I believe that the Koizumi administration is trying to provoke Korea in a way that will make Seoul act irrationally and thus gain 1.) political capital at home and 2.) international support (i.e. show how irrational both South Korea and China are). Having said that, a large majority of Japanese support Koizumi in domestic politics and economics, but a majority also think 1.) he should not visit Yasukuni, and 2.) he provokes Korea and China unnecessarily.
Blockquote: Koreans on message boards may want war, that doesn’t mean the Chinese and the Japanese want war.
i would add this
Koreans on message boards may want war, that doesn’t mean the Korean public or Korean government want war. Same applies for China, Japan.
’some koreans think that the land north of the yalu is theirs.’ paraphrased from sunbin
that’s right, and that’s where the problem started. stupid koreans marching around in china proclaiming the land to be theirs. korea can forget about gando. seoul should make it very clear to beijing that it has no ambitions beyond present day korea.
Holy 굴욕외교, Batman!
All this discussion is good. I tend to agree with GIKorea in that KJI cannot simply relinquish power and turn himself in. Lest we forget, the Korean war never officially ended and if KJI turned himself in he’d be held for war crimes. I believe that KJI tried to assassinate Chun Do-Hwan in Burma back in 1983 didn’t he? Well, not personally but he was in charge of the people that did the actual bombing I believe.
Whatever happens, it will be fun to watch.
pawikirogi
hey, don’t take my words out of contexts. :).
it meant to say the goverment is not willing to make a position today, but it knows it cannot ignore such voice in the voters.
and chopping “quite some” into “some” is not faithful paraphrasing.
Coming up next: Baduk says Dr. Hwang had it all right after all, Dogbert professes his love of Koreans, and G. Bevers says Dokdo belongs unequivocally to Korea.
curzon is correct. This is a carefully laid out and calculated trap laid out by Koizumi and Japan to bait Korea into an International dispute. The last thing Korea should do is to take the Japanese ship forcibly, and play into Japan’s hands.
WTF? Expats are now Monday morning quarterbacking the reunification even before it happens?
Not just expats, Bluejives. But interesting that you put it that way, regardless.
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