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		<title>By: bluejives</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32830</link>
		<dc:creator>bluejives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yi Pom Sok’s concepts are still cornerstones of official state ideology – have had direct influence on Koreans’ perceptions of self and identity.&lt;/i&gt;

I dont know about that but I do know that the US Occupational Forces directly funded and trained a right-wing paramilitary organization called the Korea National Youth League, under the leadership of  Yi Bum Suk. This was a armed instrument of a police state designed to terrorize and kill any dissenters, invariably labelled as Communists, to the chosen puppet government of Rhee Syngman set up by the US in the period just before the outbreak of the Korean War. 

But, of course, you werent going to mention this crucial historical fact because it's just a bit too distracting from your Facist Origins of Korean Racial Consciousness thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yi Pom Sok’s concepts are still cornerstones of official state ideology – have had direct influence on Koreans’ perceptions of self and identity.</i></p>
<p>I dont know about that but I do know that the US Occupational Forces directly funded and trained a right-wing paramilitary organization called the Korea National Youth League, under the leadership of  Yi Bum Suk. This was a armed instrument of a police state designed to terrorize and kill any dissenters, invariably labelled as Communists, to the chosen puppet government of Rhee Syngman set up by the US in the period just before the outbreak of the Korean War. </p>
<p>But, of course, you werent going to mention this crucial historical fact because it&#8217;s just a bit too distracting from your Facist Origins of Korean Racial Consciousness thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: iheartblueballs</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32789</link>
		<dc:creator>iheartblueballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you really this dense, dude?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  He really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are you really this dense, dude?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  He really is.</p>
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		<title>By: kuraeji</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32780</link>
		<dc:creator>kuraeji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueJives, as always, doesn't get it and once again attributes to me things I didn't say and sets up the straw man to knock him down:

"ah yes, because mixed race kids are bullied at school and expats are called big nose waeguk-noms, korea is a fascist nation akin to nazi germany. that must be some fine shit he must be smoking there.

i posit that that the effects of hollywood movies, with all its stereotypes, do far, far more to influence koreans attitude about blacks in the current time than a couple of obscure, early 20th century korean nationalists that many koreans dont even know about or the nazy, quasi-fascist origins of the aegukka!"

No. If you read what I said, I said that Yi Pom Sok made no bones about studying fascist youth groups to come up with his idea of "danilminjok." These old Korean nationalists didn't even try to hide this stuff. The concepts he and Shin Chaeho came up with are taught in Korean textbooks. How many Korean Guksa and Doduk textbooks have you read, BlueJives? Do you have the collected works of Shin Chaeho? 

I SAID that these two guys – Shin Chaeho is recognized and taught in Korea as the founder of Korean nationalist historiography and Yi Pom Sok's concepts are still cornerstones of official state ideology – have had direct influence on Koreans' perceptions of self and identity. Oh, their ideas are only taught as canon in Ministry-approved textbooks and repeated as fact in state propaganda. 

And in this post, I wasn't talking about blacks per se as much as talking about the origins of these ideas. Yes, Hollywood movies do influence Koreans' thinking a lot, but to call the clearly influential ties linking Korean national ideology back to European ideas as akin to "smoking" something – do the research then, BlueJives. 

If you did, you'd know that Shin Chaeho is certainly not "obscure" and someone that Koreans "don't know about." And in the case of Yi Pom Sok, you don't have to know his name to understand his ideas when they're taught from elementary school through high school. Are you really this dense, dude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueJives, as always, doesn&#8217;t get it and once again attributes to me things I didn&#8217;t say and sets up the straw man to knock him down:</p>
<p>&#8220;ah yes, because mixed race kids are bullied at school and expats are called big nose waeguk-noms, korea is a fascist nation akin to nazi germany. that must be some fine shit he must be smoking there.</p>
<p>i posit that that the effects of hollywood movies, with all its stereotypes, do far, far more to influence koreans attitude about blacks in the current time than a couple of obscure, early 20th century korean nationalists that many koreans dont even know about or the nazy, quasi-fascist origins of the aegukka!&#8221;</p>
<p>No. If you read what I said, I said that Yi Pom Sok made no bones about studying fascist youth groups to come up with his idea of &#8220;danilminjok.&#8221; These old Korean nationalists didn&#8217;t even try to hide this stuff. The concepts he and Shin Chaeho came up with are taught in Korean textbooks. How many Korean Guksa and Doduk textbooks have you read, BlueJives? Do you have the collected works of Shin Chaeho? </p>
<p>I SAID that these two guys – Shin Chaeho is recognized and taught in Korea as the founder of Korean nationalist historiography and Yi Pom Sok&#8217;s concepts are still cornerstones of official state ideology – have had direct influence on Koreans&#8217; perceptions of self and identity. Oh, their ideas are only taught as canon in Ministry-approved textbooks and repeated as fact in state propaganda. </p>
<p>And in this post, I wasn&#8217;t talking about blacks per se as much as talking about the origins of these ideas. Yes, Hollywood movies do influence Koreans&#8217; thinking a lot, but to call the clearly influential ties linking Korean national ideology back to European ideas as akin to &#8220;smoking&#8221; something – do the research then, BlueJives. </p>
<p>If you did, you&#8217;d know that Shin Chaeho is certainly not &#8220;obscure&#8221; and someone that Koreans &#8220;don&#8217;t know about.&#8221; And in the case of Yi Pom Sok, you don&#8217;t have to know his name to understand his ideas when they&#8217;re taught from elementary school through high school. Are you really this dense, dude?</p>
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		<title>By: random guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>random guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;They are very proud of the fact that they raped and pillaged most of north western europe. The way they describe it makes it sound like a series of drunken nights out. &lt;/b&gt;

isn't that basically what it was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>They are very proud of the fact that they raped and pillaged most of north western europe. The way they describe it makes it sound like a series of drunken nights out. </b></p>
<p>isn&#8217;t that basically what it was?</p>
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		<title>By: random guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>random guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; anyone mind teaching me how to quote with better contrast ? &lt;/b&gt; you mean like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> anyone mind teaching me how to quote with better contrast ? </b> you mean like that?</p>
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		<title>By: bluejives</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32771</link>
		<dc:creator>bluejives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah yes, because mixed race kids are bullied at school and expats are called big nose waeguk-noms, korea is a fascist nation akin to nazi germany. that must be some fine shit he must be smoking there.

i posit that that the effects of hollywood movies, with all its stereotypes, do far, far more to influence koreans attitude about blacks in the current time than a couple of obscure, early 20th century korean nationalists that many koreans dont even know about or the nazy, quasi-fascist origins of the aegukka!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah yes, because mixed race kids are bullied at school and expats are called big nose waeguk-noms, korea is a fascist nation akin to nazi germany. that must be some fine shit he must be smoking there.</p>
<p>i posit that that the effects of hollywood movies, with all its stereotypes, do far, far more to influence koreans attitude about blacks in the current time than a couple of obscure, early 20th century korean nationalists that many koreans dont even know about or the nazy, quasi-fascist origins of the aegukka!</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32762</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone mind teaching me how to quote with better contrast ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone mind teaching me how to quote with better contrast ?</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/10/the-metropolitican-on-korean-racial-consciousness/#comment-32761</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"   I think it's worth thinking about. I know, I know – for those of you who accuse me of being just being purposely controversial for the sake of being so – guilty as charged. Here's my cynical little adaptation of the original German national anthem:

    Hanguk, Hanguk über alles,
    über alles in der Welt,
    wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
    brüderlich zusammenhält.
    Von der Tonghae bis an Baekdusan,
    von der Manju bis an Tokdo,
    Hanguk, Hanguk über alles,
    über alles in der Welt!   "


/  Author's mind is twisted but entertaining.  But, those pictures speak louder, way louder.  If those Koreans are stupid enough to do something like that, they deserve the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;   I think it&#8217;s worth thinking about. I know, I know – for those of you who accuse me of being just being purposely controversial for the sake of being so – guilty as charged. Here&#8217;s my cynical little adaptation of the original German national anthem:</p>
<p>    Hanguk, Hanguk über alles,<br />
    über alles in der Welt,<br />
    wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze<br />
    brüderlich zusammenhält.<br />
    Von der Tonghae bis an Baekdusan,<br />
    von der Manju bis an Tokdo,<br />
    Hanguk, Hanguk über alles,<br />
    über alles in der Welt!   &#8221;</p>
<p>/  Author&#8217;s mind is twisted but entertaining.  But, those pictures speak louder, way louder.  If those Koreans are stupid enough to do something like that, they deserve the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Baduk.

I never knew that the concept of "Danilminjok" was hammered into us by the Japanese occupation government.  Is this true, Baduk?

Then, it brings me to question certain things about our Korean past...Koguryo in particular.  That nation was surely not of one race.  Baekjae also comes to mind.  They weren't of one race, either, if you count the Japanese, who were under significant control to come to their aid in Korea by a number of 100000, and suffer 50% casualties for a lost cause, basically.   Shilla.  Were they Danilminjok?  Hmm.  Legend has it that a queen from India came by boat, and I think the Kims and Huhs are both children of this Indian queen and a Korean noble.  Kind of amusing when you watch Koreans acting racist against ethnic Indian/Pakistani foreign workers doing hard labor in South Korea.

But, Baduk, I am still doubtful.  Doesn't Korea hammer the concept of Danilminjok itself by claiming that we all came from Dan Goon?  But, then the idea of Koguryo bothers me about that, because Koguryo had the territory that most resembled where Dan Goon would have been located or ruled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Baduk.</p>
<p>I never knew that the concept of &#8220;Danilminjok&#8221; was hammered into us by the Japanese occupation government.  Is this true, Baduk?</p>
<p>Then, it brings me to question certain things about our Korean past&#8230;Koguryo in particular.  That nation was surely not of one race.  Baekjae also comes to mind.  They weren&#8217;t of one race, either, if you count the Japanese, who were under significant control to come to their aid in Korea by a number of 100000, and suffer 50% casualties for a lost cause, basically.   Shilla.  Were they Danilminjok?  Hmm.  Legend has it that a queen from India came by boat, and I think the Kims and Huhs are both children of this Indian queen and a Korean noble.  Kind of amusing when you watch Koreans acting racist against ethnic Indian/Pakistani foreign workers doing hard labor in South Korea.</p>
<p>But, Baduk, I am still doubtful.  Doesn&#8217;t Korea hammer the concept of Danilminjok itself by claiming that we all came from Dan Goon?  But, then the idea of Koguryo bothers me about that, because Koguryo had the territory that most resembled where Dan Goon would have been located or ruled.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Pyotr.

Great, great, great site.  All Koreans should take this test.  I got 50% correct.  An average score. The test should include Mongolians.  What some Koreans believe to be "Korean" features are actually Mongolian features. 

Again I am right about this "danilminjok" bullshit.  Koreans cannot tell Koreans from the Chinese and the Japanese.  

Koreans look the same as these people.  We are all from the same dough.  DNA testings have proven the same.  When more DNA testings are done, we may find some interesting facts about Korean roots.

Wouldn't it be funny if all Jeju Island Koreans came from Mongolia (Mongols grew horses in Jeju to invade Japan.  They could have killed off the inhabitants.)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Pyotr.</p>
<p>Great, great, great site.  All Koreans should take this test.  I got 50% correct.  An average score. The test should include Mongolians.  What some Koreans believe to be &#8220;Korean&#8221; features are actually Mongolian features. </p>
<p>Again I am right about this &#8220;danilminjok&#8221; bullshit.  Koreans cannot tell Koreans from the Chinese and the Japanese.  </p>
<p>Koreans look the same as these people.  We are all from the same dough.  DNA testings have proven the same.  When more DNA testings are done, we may find some interesting facts about Korean roots.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if all Jeju Island Koreans came from Mongolia (Mongols grew horses in Jeju to invade Japan.  They could have killed off the inhabitants.)?</p>
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