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	<title>Comments on: Does this mean we&#8217;ll have to stay in Iraq for another 50 years?</title>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iraq is a great social experiment. It is of course a great gamble. If you can get the Shiites and the Samsonites to unite under a coalition demogratic form of govt, the reparcussions to the region are tremendous. Right now, all we've got there are potentates and cabbages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq is a great social experiment. It is of course a great gamble. If you can get the Shiites and the Samsonites to unite under a coalition demogratic form of govt, the reparcussions to the region are tremendous. Right now, all we&#8217;ve got there are potentates and cabbages.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The world is enjoying a new paradigm shift, and it’s away from materialism, mass consumption, and the rich getting richer,"

Where does this world exist, besides in the minds of rich westerners and other naive idealists who already have plenty of everything they need? If anything, the world is heading towards all-out materialism, mass consumption, getting richer (not just the rich getting richer). Indians and Chinese want more of what the west has and why shouldn't they? How many of these people want to hear rich westerners telling them about the 'evils' of consumerism, etc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The world is enjoying a new paradigm shift, and it’s away from materialism, mass consumption, and the rich getting richer,&#8221;</p>
<p>Where does this world exist, besides in the minds of rich westerners and other naive idealists who already have plenty of everything they need? If anything, the world is heading towards all-out materialism, mass consumption, getting richer (not just the rich getting richer). Indians and Chinese want more of what the west has and why shouldn&#8217;t they? How many of these people want to hear rich westerners telling them about the &#8216;evils&#8217; of consumerism, etc?</p>
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		<title>By: yankabroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankabroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There are, of course, many dissimilarities between the Korea of 1953 and the Iraq of 2006"

Of course, the biggest difference is that Iraq was a SOVEREIGN nation.  It wasn't divided.  It wasn't recovering from a terrible colonial occupation.  It wasn't shattered.  You just don't go invading sovereign nations unless you're asking for trouble, and the USA got it.

"History repeats itself only in outline, not in detail."

Yeah, and like Vietnam, the U.S. will de defeated, once again, because you can't invade a nation of people bonded by whatever bonds they might have--language, religion, food, music, etc, and expect them to love you more than their neighbors, who, although they might be hated, aren't as hated as much as the dreaded invaders toting TV sets and cheeseburgers.

I like the article.  Well written.  But the guy is wrong.  The USA is NOT the cat's meow.  The world is enjoying a new paradigm shift, and it's away from materialism, mass consumption, and the rich getting richer, if only for the fact that we are finding out there are barriers to these trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are, of course, many dissimilarities between the Korea of 1953 and the Iraq of 2006&#8243;</p>
<p>Of course, the biggest difference is that Iraq was a SOVEREIGN nation.  It wasn&#8217;t divided.  It wasn&#8217;t recovering from a terrible colonial occupation.  It wasn&#8217;t shattered.  You just don&#8217;t go invading sovereign nations unless you&#8217;re asking for trouble, and the USA got it.</p>
<p>&#8220;History repeats itself only in outline, not in detail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, and like Vietnam, the U.S. will de defeated, once again, because you can&#8217;t invade a nation of people bonded by whatever bonds they might have&#8211;language, religion, food, music, etc, and expect them to love you more than their neighbors, who, although they might be hated, aren&#8217;t as hated as much as the dreaded invaders toting TV sets and cheeseburgers.</p>
<p>I like the article.  Well written.  But the guy is wrong.  The USA is NOT the cat&#8217;s meow.  The world is enjoying a new paradigm shift, and it&#8217;s away from materialism, mass consumption, and the rich getting richer, if only for the fact that we are finding out there are barriers to these trends.</p>
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		<title>By: GI Korea</title>
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		<dc:creator>GI Korea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea had one huge natural resource advantage over Iraq in its recovery from the Korean War and that natural resource was their people.  The people of Korea sacrificed and worked hard to rebuild their country where Iraq has very little culture of hard work and oil only helps to keep people that way due to the free hand outs from the government.  

In fairness Iraqis do work much harder compared to other countries in the middle east but are no where near the diligence of Koreans.  When I was over there sheiks kept looking at Americans to rebuild the country for them instead of them rebuilding the country for themselves.  This caused a lot of friction initially but Iraqis are beginning to rebuild things on their own with their own government's money which will cause them to take more ownership in the country.

It tooks years after the Korean War for Korea to get a leader (Park Chung-hee) to harness Korea's potential and may take years in Iraq for a real leader to emerge as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea had one huge natural resource advantage over Iraq in its recovery from the Korean War and that natural resource was their people.  The people of Korea sacrificed and worked hard to rebuild their country where Iraq has very little culture of hard work and oil only helps to keep people that way due to the free hand outs from the government.  </p>
<p>In fairness Iraqis do work much harder compared to other countries in the middle east but are no where near the diligence of Koreans.  When I was over there sheiks kept looking at Americans to rebuild the country for them instead of them rebuilding the country for themselves.  This caused a lot of friction initially but Iraqis are beginning to rebuild things on their own with their own government&#8217;s money which will cause them to take more ownership in the country.</p>
<p>It tooks years after the Korean War for Korea to get a leader (Park Chung-hee) to harness Korea&#8217;s potential and may take years in Iraq for a real leader to emerge as well.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACB wrote:
&lt;b&gt;However, it found that it Japan was in striking distance of all of Americas communist enemies &lt;i&gt;except France.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

It doesn't count against my one-comment-per-post average if I simply say this sentence made me nearly laugh some sort of liquid through my nose. 

By the way, I agree with most of what you wrote. Time to start planning more television spots for AFN-I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACB wrote:<br />
<b>However, it found that it Japan was in striking distance of all of Americas communist enemies <i>except France.</i></b></p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t count against my one-comment-per-post average if I simply say this sentence made me nearly laugh some sort of liquid through my nose. </p>
<p>By the way, I agree with most of what you wrote. Time to start planning more television spots for AFN-I.</p>
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		<title>By: ACB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tacticly, the best model for this is actually Japan.

Forget about all this insurgent stuff, and break it down to the most two basic elements "What's good for America" and "What's bad for America's enemies"

America arrived in Japan because it wanted to win the war. It planned to put a submissive governemt in place and then leave. However, it found that it Japan was in striking distance of all of Americas communist enemies except France. So it decided to stick around.

Having troops in Japan was "good for America" because it allowed the US to nuke commies without getting out of bed in the morning, and "bad for America's enemies" because it meant that America could bearth an invasion fleet off of their shores and there was nothing that they could do about it.

60 years later, Yokohama is still full of drunken GIs looking for beer, sex and cheap porn.

Now, look at Iraq. Iraq. Not only is Iraq rich in oil, but it puts America in striking distance of just about every Muslim in the world country except France.

I predict that in 2072, there will be more American ex-pats in Iraq than in Saudi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tacticly, the best model for this is actually Japan.</p>
<p>Forget about all this insurgent stuff, and break it down to the most two basic elements &#8220;What&#8217;s good for America&#8221; and &#8220;What&#8217;s bad for America&#8217;s enemies&#8221;</p>
<p>America arrived in Japan because it wanted to win the war. It planned to put a submissive governemt in place and then leave. However, it found that it Japan was in striking distance of all of Americas communist enemies except France. So it decided to stick around.</p>
<p>Having troops in Japan was &#8220;good for America&#8221; because it allowed the US to nuke commies without getting out of bed in the morning, and &#8220;bad for America&#8217;s enemies&#8221; because it meant that America could bearth an invasion fleet off of their shores and there was nothing that they could do about it.</p>
<p>60 years later, Yokohama is still full of drunken GIs looking for beer, sex and cheap porn.</p>
<p>Now, look at Iraq. Iraq. Not only is Iraq rich in oil, but it puts America in striking distance of just about every Muslim in the world country except France.</p>
<p>I predict that in 2072, there will be more American ex-pats in Iraq than in Saudi.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim Il Sung seems to be of the Jun Joo Kim family.  I'm sure though no one in that region wants anything to do with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim Il Sung seems to be of the Jun Joo Kim family.  I&#8217;m sure though no one in that region wants anything to do with him.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and to even it all out, half or more than half of Korea also fought a delusional war against the US, all for nothing.  Now, they're eager to live in any captialistic country.  Problem with the North Koreans was that, they didn't get communism.  They got a king.  A very, very, fat, ugly, and selfish one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and to even it all out, half or more than half of Korea also fought a delusional war against the US, all for nothing.  Now, they&#8217;re eager to live in any captialistic country.  Problem with the North Koreans was that, they didn&#8217;t get communism.  They got a king.  A very, very, fat, ugly, and selfish one.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelton Bumgarner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelton Bumgarner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogbertt,

But the whole situation is different.

In 1953, the United States was dealing with the southern half of "one" nation (the whole two countries, one nation thing), while in Iraq, we pretty much have three different nations who only are in one "country" because that's how a bunch of punch drunk Europeans felt like carving up that part of the defunct Ottoman Empire.

The gates of hell are on the cusp of opening up on Iraq, and God knows where everything will endup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogbertt,</p>
<p>But the whole situation is different.</p>
<p>In 1953, the United States was dealing with the southern half of &#8220;one&#8221; nation (the whole two countries, one nation thing), while in Iraq, we pretty much have three different nations who only are in one &#8220;country&#8221; because that&#8217;s how a bunch of punch drunk Europeans felt like carving up that part of the defunct Ottoman Empire.</p>
<p>The gates of hell are on the cusp of opening up on Iraq, and God knows where everything will endup.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although the Republic of Korea seems to have gotten more casualties over fewer years and only half of Korea after the Korean War, I'd take that anyday to what Vietnam is now.  

Vietnamese people fought for nothing, basically.  Look at them.  They love living in America, getting their US higher education degrees, and they're really eager to have trade with the US.  Basically they love living better, too.  Look at all the recent Vietnamese immigrants to the US, via families already in the US and so forth.  They're willing to leave Vietnam in their 20's and take up a whole new language.  

Someday Iraq and the Middle East will be like that.  This is my opinion, by the way.  Hack it all you want.  

Muslim kids in the US probably wouldn't be accepted in certain parts of the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although the Republic of Korea seems to have gotten more casualties over fewer years and only half of Korea after the Korean War, I&#8217;d take that anyday to what Vietnam is now.  </p>
<p>Vietnamese people fought for nothing, basically.  Look at them.  They love living in America, getting their US higher education degrees, and they&#8217;re really eager to have trade with the US.  Basically they love living better, too.  Look at all the recent Vietnamese immigrants to the US, via families already in the US and so forth.  They&#8217;re willing to leave Vietnam in their 20&#8217;s and take up a whole new language.  </p>
<p>Someday Iraq and the Middle East will be like that.  This is my opinion, by the way.  Hack it all you want.  </p>
<p>Muslim kids in the US probably wouldn&#8217;t be accepted in certain parts of the Middle East.</p>
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