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		<title>By: Hines Ward in Korea Mania: Day 3 at ROK Drop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hines Ward in Korea Mania: Day 3 at ROK Drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert over at the Marmot&#8217;s Hole of course has great coverage of this as well to check out. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hines Ward in Korea Mania: Day 3 &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hines Ward in Korea Mania: Day 3 &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert over at the Marmot&#8217;s Hole of course has great coverage of this as well to check out.       &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/06/hines-wards-mom-releases-a-bit-of-han/#comment-32843</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remorse of slavery? Weren't something like 20% of Koreans slaves up until the beginning of the 20th Century? As they say, whitey came to the slavery game late and got out early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remorse of slavery? Weren&#8217;t something like 20% of Koreans slaves up until the beginning of the 20th Century? As they say, whitey came to the slavery game late and got out early.</p>
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		<title>By: mook</title>
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		<dc:creator>mook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way Mahathir Fan, so you know where I stand on the issue of Asian slavery let me just say Free Tibet, and Aung San Suu Kyi while you're at it. Some of the biggest bones you need to pick are buried in yer backyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way Mahathir Fan, so you know where I stand on the issue of Asian slavery let me just say Free Tibet, and Aung San Suu Kyi while you&#8217;re at it. Some of the biggest bones you need to pick are buried in yer backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: mook</title>
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		<dc:creator>mook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahatir_fan

"Asians unlike Westerners do not suffer from the “REMORSE OF SLAVERY”.

Hmmmm.....should I pity your ‘revisionism’ first and then laugh? Trust me, -M-Fan, Whitey is long over any "remorse of slavery". 

See, I'm a big bad Whitey but pay attention now-  I had nothing to do with slavery! Hence I have no guilt whatsoever for what Blacks went  through more than a hundred years ago. So what makes you assume I’d feel some kind of guilt for some spoilt second- or third-generation Asian-American (or whatever you are) who has far too much free time on his/her hands? “White guilt”? C’mon man, who is feeding you this crap you so passionately devour? Only a fool would confuse a liberal White who was say, anti-Apartheid or pro-affirmative action with some New Age sucker who falls for anything, including the myth that Asian-Americans have some special right to be angry. 

I really hate to trash your ‘unique’ view of history but what the Korean or Chinese immigrants went through in America was no worse than what happened to the Irish or a multitude of other minorities. I have to laugh when I hear "Azianz" like you who perpetuate the fantasy that Asian-Americans were somehow treated as horribly as the Blacks were under slavery. Not only is that totally wrong, it is arrogant and a massive insult to Black people who had it a hell of a lot harder than your people ever did, at least in America. You also conveniently ignore the fact that slavery has existed/continues to exist in Asia and did long before White people ever landed on your harmonious, egalitarian shores. And before you drag up some examples of mistreatment of Chinese railway workers or Japanese-American internment camps during WW2, do some research on the Dickensian conditions many White people lived under (i.e. child labor sweatshops in New York or Manchester) or White slave labor in Asian POW camps during the same time periods. 

So M-Fan, please spare us your all-too-predictable Fightin’ 44s whine-fest and put your 'creative' talents to good use as your immigrant parents and grandparents surely did.

By the way if you're such a fan of Mahathir you might as well be a fan of George W. Bush. They’re both wearing the same style of blinders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahatir_fan</p>
<p>&#8220;Asians unlike Westerners do not suffer from the “REMORSE OF SLAVERY”.</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..should I pity your ‘revisionism’ first and then laugh? Trust me, -M-Fan, Whitey is long over any &#8220;remorse of slavery&#8221;. </p>
<p>See, I&#8217;m a big bad Whitey but pay attention now-  I had nothing to do with slavery! Hence I have no guilt whatsoever for what Blacks went  through more than a hundred years ago. So what makes you assume I’d feel some kind of guilt for some spoilt second- or third-generation Asian-American (or whatever you are) who has far too much free time on his/her hands? “White guilt”? C’mon man, who is feeding you this crap you so passionately devour? Only a fool would confuse a liberal White who was say, anti-Apartheid or pro-affirmative action with some New Age sucker who falls for anything, including the myth that Asian-Americans have some special right to be angry. </p>
<p>I really hate to trash your ‘unique’ view of history but what the Korean or Chinese immigrants went through in America was no worse than what happened to the Irish or a multitude of other minorities. I have to laugh when I hear &#8220;Azianz&#8221; like you who perpetuate the fantasy that Asian-Americans were somehow treated as horribly as the Blacks were under slavery. Not only is that totally wrong, it is arrogant and a massive insult to Black people who had it a hell of a lot harder than your people ever did, at least in America. You also conveniently ignore the fact that slavery has existed/continues to exist in Asia and did long before White people ever landed on your harmonious, egalitarian shores. And before you drag up some examples of mistreatment of Chinese railway workers or Japanese-American internment camps during WW2, do some research on the Dickensian conditions many White people lived under (i.e. child labor sweatshops in New York or Manchester) or White slave labor in Asian POW camps during the same time periods. </p>
<p>So M-Fan, please spare us your all-too-predictable Fightin’ 44s whine-fest and put your &#8216;creative&#8217; talents to good use as your immigrant parents and grandparents surely did.</p>
<p>By the way if you&#8217;re such a fan of Mahathir you might as well be a fan of George W. Bush. They’re both wearing the same style of blinders.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most KA people who like Korea better have left the U.S. after the Los Angeles Riot. Present KAs are pro-America or even Pax-America bunch. We love America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you account for the likes of bluejives and nulji?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most KA people who like Korea better have left the U.S. after the Los Angeles Riot. Present KAs are pro-America or even Pax-America bunch. We love America.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do you account for the likes of bluejives and nulji?</p>
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		<title>By: nerdieboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerdieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A disclaimer: I must admit, as a self-identified "twinkie" and newcomer to the Korean blogsphere, I have limited understanding and experience with the expat vs kyopo drama that seems to be constantly going on.

Nulji's "low-class" comment obviously hit a sore spot for some people- is that something which is often directed, perhaps subtley (perhaps not), towards the expat community? 

First of all, I don't think anyone can simply generalize across the Korean-American community, for them being entirely pro-American or for being the spiteful hateful gyopos that just come to get a good education and leave (shades of welfare queen?). I think we like to rely on polarizing symbols to suit our own biases.  

That being said, this is my own particular understanding of the problems with some gyopos (at least what I've gleaned from my experiences with family): Korean immigrants come primarily for better economic opportunity and the chance at a better life. The part that most of them tend to forget is that they should adopt, or at least acknowledge certain ideals which we as Americans are meant to value, particularly treating people and ideas which are different with respect.  Some Korean-Americans never learn to do so, but for that matter, some Americans never do either. 

Please note that I'm not trying to ground xenophobia in some essential Korean nature because I think even in America, it has taken centuries of struggle and discourse to get us where we are today, and some might argue "open-mindnedness" has only come about because it was somehow salient to do so, not because of some kind of superior moral nature.  Some might also argue that it has never truly come about and only exists in the public realm in the form of political correctness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A disclaimer: I must admit, as a self-identified &#8220;twinkie&#8221; and newcomer to the Korean blogsphere, I have limited understanding and experience with the expat vs kyopo drama that seems to be constantly going on.</p>
<p>Nulji&#8217;s &#8220;low-class&#8221; comment obviously hit a sore spot for some people- is that something which is often directed, perhaps subtley (perhaps not), towards the expat community? </p>
<p>First of all, I don&#8217;t think anyone can simply generalize across the Korean-American community, for them being entirely pro-American or for being the spiteful hateful gyopos that just come to get a good education and leave (shades of welfare queen?). I think we like to rely on polarizing symbols to suit our own biases.  </p>
<p>That being said, this is my own particular understanding of the problems with some gyopos (at least what I&#8217;ve gleaned from my experiences with family): Korean immigrants come primarily for better economic opportunity and the chance at a better life. The part that most of them tend to forget is that they should adopt, or at least acknowledge certain ideals which we as Americans are meant to value, particularly treating people and ideas which are different with respect.  Some Korean-Americans never learn to do so, but for that matter, some Americans never do either. </p>
<p>Please note that I&#8217;m not trying to ground xenophobia in some essential Korean nature because I think even in America, it has taken centuries of struggle and discourse to get us where we are today, and some might argue &#8220;open-mindnedness&#8221; has only come about because it was somehow salient to do so, not because of some kind of superior moral nature.  Some might also argue that it has never truly come about and only exists in the public realm in the form of political correctness.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korean Americans are very similar to Cubans.  When and if entire Korea falls to China's influence (and become dirt-poor like NK is) and threatens the U.S. and Japan, then we KAs will form a special forces troops to take Korea back from Chinese tyranny.

We may try a Bay-of-Pig attack on Busan or nearby area.  The Japanese will provide ships to hide the US involvement.  We speak the language and are familiar with terrains.  We will persuade locals to form insurgents.

We will take back Korea and rescue the U.S. from a nuclear attack.  The U.S. need us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korean Americans are very similar to Cubans.  When and if entire Korea falls to China&#8217;s influence (and become dirt-poor like NK is) and threatens the U.S. and Japan, then we KAs will form a special forces troops to take Korea back from Chinese tyranny.</p>
<p>We may try a Bay-of-Pig attack on Busan or nearby area.  The Japanese will provide ships to hide the US involvement.  We speak the language and are familiar with terrains.  We will persuade locals to form insurgents.</p>
<p>We will take back Korea and rescue the U.S. from a nuclear attack.  The U.S. need us.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dogbertt,

Man, you generalize too much.  Most KoreanAmerican(kyopos) are happy to be in the U.S. and very patriotic toward their newly adopted country.  Very anti-Communist and very Republican.

I am a Democrate but I support Bush's effort in Iraq.  And, I hope the U.S. take Iran as well.  

Back to the KAs.  Do you know about twenty KAs died in 9/11 attack?  Yes, KAs are no longer Koreans; we are Americans whether you like us or not.  KAs will defend the U.S. just like any other minorites in the States.  We love the U.S. - Freedom for all and "All men are created equal" and the efforts made to embrace minorities.

Most KA people who like Korea better have left the U.S. after the Los Angeles Riot.  Present KAs are pro-America or even Pax-America bunch.  We love America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dogbertt,</p>
<p>Man, you generalize too much.  Most KoreanAmerican(kyopos) are happy to be in the U.S. and very patriotic toward their newly adopted country.  Very anti-Communist and very Republican.</p>
<p>I am a Democrate but I support Bush&#8217;s effort in Iraq.  And, I hope the U.S. take Iran as well.  </p>
<p>Back to the KAs.  Do you know about twenty KAs died in 9/11 attack?  Yes, KAs are no longer Koreans; we are Americans whether you like us or not.  KAs will defend the U.S. just like any other minorites in the States.  We love the U.S. - Freedom for all and &#8220;All men are created equal&#8221; and the efforts made to embrace minorities.</p>
<p>Most KA people who like Korea better have left the U.S. after the Los Angeles Riot.  Present KAs are pro-America or even Pax-America bunch.  We love America.</p>
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		<title>By: nerdieboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerdieboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Nulji is the perfect example for restricting immigration into the U.S. Sadly, most kyopos are similar to nulji in their hateful and spiteful natures, varying only in degree."

Are you kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nulji is the perfect example for restricting immigration into the U.S. Sadly, most kyopos are similar to nulji in their hateful and spiteful natures, varying only in degree.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you kidding?</p>
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