A profile in human stupidity. What the hell these guys were doing on the beach in the first place, I don’t know.
But why take the Chosun’s word for it (via the Nomad) when you can go to the protesters’ homepage and watch some MUST-SEE VIDEO FOOTAGE (originally from OhMyNews TV) for yourself! Seriously, dude, standing in front of tanks and armored vehicles during a military exercise just isn’t smart. And grabbing a Marine during said exercise and yelling “Yankee go home!” even less so. I’m glad the Marines seemed to have a sense of humor about the whole thing, because listening to the wench screaming “Stop the Military Exercise” (watch the video and you’ll know who I’m talking about) was driving me so crazy, heck, I wanted to knock her out. Anyway, everyone involved should count themselves very lucky that nobody got hurt.
UPDATE: Give me your horny, middle-aged masses with willies yearning to breathe free? U.S. Marines participating in the exercise were greeted at the beach by this replica of Lady Liberty, which just so happens to belong to a beachside love motel.
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forgive me if my ‘fact’ are wrong here but…(as posted at Nomad), I think that it is the sole responsibility of the Korean side to restrict the area from civilians. IIRC, this ‘power’ is not possible for the US troops.
If this is indeed the case, the fact that the Korean side allowed this to happen is quite pathetic.
(Loved the quick shot of the guy taking pics of the whole thing though).
Just goes to show you don’t need a knife to prove you’re loony.
This fiasco and the nutbar who set fire to buildings in Yongsan make you wonder about the capability of Korea to provide security, or even if it has the will to do so. This current Korean gov’t has a passive-aggressive approach to dealing with the U.S., maybe that is having a knock-on effect on attitudes toward protecting U.S. troops.
were they going to complain and sue when and if they got injured? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Jun Doo Hwan or Roh Tae Woo would have not even allowed such photos to surface. They’d be escorted to jail at gun point. US-Korean military exercises are necessary because of North Korea’s presence.
There is even a greater travesty that seems to go unnoticed; the strong hold Microsoft has on the Korean computer industry. Sorry, but Microsoft hasn’t released a Windows Media Player in years for Mac, and I can’t view any videos from Korea. Grrrrrrr… At least QuickTime is completely cross-platform.
Perhaps it is just that I have not looked in the right places but I do not recall the military ever publishing exact plans when and where they would be conducting war games exercises so civilians could come and watch much less get in the way and possibly be injured. So where did these jokers get their info? I agree that sucurity is an issue-even more so given the cops in the background who are clearly standing around talking rather than removing these people. Unless, of course, in Korea rights like freedom of speach are absolute… I would like to believe it but my bet is that the cops dont give a rats ass… pathetic
“were they going to complain and sue when and if they got injured?”
Of course they were!
If they had been injured they would have sued, in typical Korean fashion!
If they had been killed, they would have been revered as martyrs, in typical Korean fashion.
Shoot rubber bullets, throw tear gas cannisters and just roll ‘em SOBs over.
Got to kill these Commies now!!! Korean people, who are not saying anything one way or another, will face real Commie soldiers from the North soon.
Who are going to save them then? I pity the fools.
“Got to kill these Commies now!!!” Baduk’s comments like this, always hilarious.
I wouldn’t be surprised if information about the locations of the exercises is not deliberately leaked by ‘insiders’ from the ROK side. I expect there are a good number of ’sympathizers’ in the police and ROK military (since it’s a conscripted group).
Yet another example of why the US should continue to reduce the numbers of troops in the country. Soon 12,000, why not 12,000 more and more until it’s at 2 or 3,000? Heck, perhaps zero would be the best number.
yes, let them all go home.
The american troops are not needed in east asia.
Yes, lux they should go home and you can pick up the tab from here on in.
The american troops are not needed in east asia.
Needed, maybe, that’s arguable. But it’s more like “not wanted”.
Sure, Luxie, they can relocate to Guam and we’ll all laugh as China absorbs North Korea without anyone to stand in their way.
Yeah, the Statue of Liberty on top of a love hotel–life, liberty and the pursuit of horniness? Or procreate here, have your babies over there?
I’m really disappointed none of the Little Elvis lovers got Rachel Corrie’d.
“The American troops are not needed in East Asia.”
I wouldn’t go that far, but they sure as hell aren’t needed in Korea.
SNOW
Pick the tab? For what? For the policing of the free market world? We are already doing THAT
Take it from Republican Congressman Ron Paul
But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony– it’s dominance as the world reserve currency– is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.
For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.
with the rising 원, I already lost thousands myself
Fuck the dollar
And take it from the Federal Reserve
Discontinuance of M3
On March 23, 2006, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will cease publication of the M3 monetary aggregate. The Board will also cease publishing the following components: large-denomination time deposits, repurchase agreements (RPs), and Eurodollars. The Board will continue to publish institutional money market mutual funds as a memorandum item in this release.
Jeez, the federal printing presses must be in full blast
Talk about going off on a tangent, Lux. I was talking about Korea picking up the full tab for their own defense, including the complete upgrading of all its weaponry. And I was assuming that you are Korean.
So why is it you seem to hate your country (the US) so much? I probably like the US better than you do and I’m not even a Yankee.
Lux got stranded on Earth, he’s just killing time waiting for the spaceship to take him home.
lux bearer, like most recent immigrants including those parading in Los Angeles with their Mexican flags, has been let down by the US education system and its focus on “critical theory”. See Peggy Noonan’s piece in the Opinion Journal today on how America is no longer teaching its own children — but especially the children of immigrants — sufficient pride in their country.
This is especially true the more “elite” one’s education is. Since Korean-Americans tend to huddle together in the blue states, perform pretty well in school and are driven (like cattle) by their parents to attend elite institutions, they get a heavy dose of America-hating throughout their upbringing. It’s a wonder they don’t all enlist for the Taliban. Lots of Korean-Americans are patriots, but our friend lux bearer is pretty typical in his crappy attitude.
Darin said:
“There is even a greater travesty that seems to go unnoticed; the strong hold Microsoft has on the Korean computer industry. Sorry, but Microsoft hasn’t released a Windows Media Player in years for Mac, and I can’t view any videos from Korea. Grrrrrrr… At least QuickTime is completely cross-platform.”
Every country has its idiosyncracies, and one of Korea’s seems to be its retarded obstinacy in clinging to the Microsoft IT niche. Maybe one day, they’ll join us in the twenty-first century, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.
As far as playing movies goes, I’ve had some luck playing movies from Korean sites wit the help of Flip4mac, which channels WMP-type films through Quicktime. Also, with the film in question, I found that if I held my nose and opened the old Mac Internet Explorer, it would actually open the clip in WMV!
With all due respect I don’t see anything that indicates that lux is either American or overeducated. Seems like the type of Third World fever swamp denizen who writes crackpot letters to Asia Times Online.
lux bearer wrote: ‘with the rising 원, I already lost thousands myself’
lux bearer, this well represents the logic of the uninformed. Unless you have actually exchanged currency, you have not experienced any gain or loss. Further, if you are talking about buying KWON with US dollars, any loss would not be measured in the thousands, but rather in millions - of Korean currency. At least, not any loss worth bothering us about. Yet further, if your transaction was not split due to external factors (sorry, but you don’t strike me as well-funded), there’s no loss - none at all - from any change in the market value of currencies, since there was no change in market value for you.
Don’t skip those classes at the newcomers school, ok? They teach good stuff there. And remember: no scribbling on the desks at the library!
michael,
1) NK has been a part of China since 1953.
2) China is interested in absorbing SK.
3) SK will lose if it has to fight NK because China will supply ammunitions and weapons. It is VietNam all over again.
4) The Commie-unified Korea will be just like NK at present. KJI’s son under Chinese permission may rule entire Korea.
4) SK has a chance to change its present idiocy if it realizes 1) to 4). But, the majority, including you, knows the real situation.
Luxbearer,
The unified Korea will threaten the US just as NK is doing now. With SK’s technology, new UK will be able to precisely deliver nuclear-warhead-equipped intercontinental missle to the roof of the white house.
And, China will secretly command and support the entire endeavor as it is doing now for NK’s nuke. And, Russia did in Korean war.
Why not stop it now, rather than later?
South Koreans think Korea will be like Germany when united. No,no,no!!!! The unified Korea will be like VietNam. One of the few countries in the world that are poorer than China.
China will make sure of that.
video from a 2003 training range break in
http://www.usinkorea.org/video.....reakin.wmv
Video of a 2002 road block of tanks going to a range.
http://www.usinkorea.org/video.....deaths.wmv
The most significant thing about this beach show to me has been the press reaction.
I am assuming the Korean language versions had similar editorial and article comments about them — decrying the activists — as the English version.
This is significant.
We’ve already seen a small effort by the press to get ahead of the curve on the Pyongtaek Issue by calling for pressure to be put on the usual anti-US/USFK groups by the government and average citizens.
And usually when the press says, “Shut up” the bulk of the society listens — or maybe the press is just in tune with the general mood of the society at any given point.
Whatever the case, items like this in the news is the best hope Pyongtaek will not explode — as it could — as the base expansion really gets going.
We have already seen the central government doesn’t want to try to tackle the issue early.
But, we have seen the press is willing.
We’ll see what happens….
wahahaha
SNOW
OFF TANGENT? you should go take the TOEIC (or get a lobotomy?)
from Cong. Ron Paul
“American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures.”
Citizens of countries that hold a lot of dollar reserves get “taxed” indirectly by the americans. That includes the much vilified Chinese. The Chinese just surpassed the japs as the biggest holder of dollar reserves. That also includes Koreans, as the 한국 은행 also holds a lot of dollars.
So, don’t talk to us picking the tab.
You read carefully REPUBLICAN Congressman Ron Paul’s speech and get some shame.
Brendon Carr
from Noonan
“We used to do it. We loved our country with full-throated love, we had no ambivalence. We had pride and appreciation. We were a free country. We communicated our pride and delight in this in a million ways–in our schools, our movies, our popular songs, our newspapers. It was just there, in the air. Immigrants breathed it in. That’s how the last great wave of immigrants, the European wave of 1880-1920, was turned into a great wave of Americans. ”
Yes! and that is why american hegemony is not gonna last long.
gbnhj
Who said that I have not exchanged currencies?
“At least, not any loss worth bothering us about. Yet further, if your transaction was not split due to external factors (sorry, but you don’t strike me as well-funded), …”
Yes, I am not well funded, but the great american empire is able to extract indirect tax from me. So think about how much “tax” it gets from the People’s Bank of China that holds more than 800 Billion US Dollars of reserves.
And you people here have the gall to paint the Chinese as the bad guys.
The fact is, the Chinese and the rest of the dollar-holding world have propped up the american empire.
The least that you can do is be thankful.
in the news
Gold price reaches 25-year peak. The price of gold has hit its highest level for 25 years, reaching more than $588 (£338) an ounce. Investors believe that precious metals are a sound investment and could outperform stocks and bonds.
The price of spot gold rose to $588.70 an ounce before settling later on Thursday at $587.45.
Gold’s performance mirrors rises by other precious metals. Silver saw its highest level in 22 years, while platinum reached an all-time high.
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Gold, like other precious metals, is appealing to investors who are concerned over unpredictable conditions in the Middle East, dollar instability and inflation.
Now you’re just kind of drooling, lux…
slim
if you are INTELLIGENT, you could pass me some quote from Mr. Ben Bernanke
or from the FED website
or from the US Congress website
if you can not, you better shut-up because your red neck is showing
Slim:
You hold him down, I’ll strap in the soju drinking tube. Maybe that’ll pacify him.
http://www.korealiberator.org/
Baduk, this is from the site above.
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North Korea, China’s Fourth Northeastern Province?
By James J. Na on 31 Mar 2006
I’m a bit late to this editorial, but it raises a discussion-worthy point (h/t North Korea Zone):
It has been five months now, and there are rumors in the border city of Dandong that China is planning to integrate North Korea’s economy by linking it to the development of the three northeastern Chinese provinces of Liaoning, Jilin, and Heilung.
Some observers say that China’s economic effort is aimed at integrating North Korea into China as its fourth northeastern province. If the speculation is true, it would be an economic version of China’s attempt to claim the history of the ancient Korean kingdom of Goguryeo that once dominated Northeast Asia.
It may (or may not) be true that the PRC is integrating North Korea’s economy with that of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilung. But if so, the motive may not necessarily be to incorporate what was Gogureyo in some sort of a historical theft.
Continue reading ‘North Korea, China’s Fourth Northeastern Province?’
Posted by James J. Na in China, China-Korea Relations, Economics, North Korea | 31 Mar 2006 @ 1:55 pm
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Wow, I just saw video footage of what these “peace” activists did.
Idiots.
How can you take a teenager to the site? They’re holding a war exercise. You want your teenager to get maimed in a possible accident? Looks like the purpose of the teen boy was to shout a something in English.
other than the simple phrase, “Yankee, Go Home ! “.
“Yankee, Go Home !” ???
While, tugging at their clothes and equipment? The man is holding a rifle.
I’m surprised the soldiers didn’t push them back.
I think the North Koreans still call their military department the Department of War. Inmin Moo Ryuk Boo. Not the Department of Defense. The Department of Offense, if you will. That’s the main enemy of South Korea, clear and simple.
They shouldn’t have done this for their own safety, and the govt who allowed this to be videotaped and aired is stupid. It seems to be the continuation of the govt that allowed demonstrators to infiltrate Yong San base to protest. (a military compound with MP guards, last I checked.) Had to go thru gates with a people holding guns. Ordinarily, how can a civilian walk past them into a military base, if the govt didn’t allow them to do so?
I mean, without govt non-enforcement of certain boundaries, civilians like them can’t do this stuff. That’s why I think Kim Dae Jung and Roh Moo Hyun are wrong on certain things. Not all things. But, they certainly brewed anti-US feelings in South Korea.
But it’s not. The Sunshine Boys have excised all references to the NORKS being the “main enemy” from Korea’s official defense policy white paper. They are now just our poor little brown brothers to the north, to be exploited to defend Korea against the economic depradations of China.
http://visual.ohmynews.com/art.....ode=319293
Is there any truth to this South Korean man’s travel experience in North Korea?
I think the people at ohmynews are really super selective in what they consider reality.
Everyone else who’s been to North Korea says it’s a hell on earth. These guys paint as some kind of progressive, developing country that isn’t so different.
someone who visited North Korea said that during winter time, they had no heat in a Pyong Yang Hotel. This ohmynews reporter (although not winter time), makes it look like heat, electricty, etc are well provided in North Korean cities.
That’s really funny, because I think satellite photos of North Korea show most of North Korea being pitch dark at night, while South Korea is lit up, and dots on Pyong Yang seem lit up.
lux bearer wrote: ‘Who said that I have not exchanged currencies?’
No said that except you, lux bearer, hence my use of a conditional. But let’s get to the substance - is that it from you on this point? You display an obvious lack of knowledge regarding financial exchange. Once again, currency exchanges are almost always discreet activities, and your decision to conduct them (again, if in fact you have) makes as much sense as bitching about the price of anything else. Which leads to the next point:
lux bearer wrote: ‘Yes, I am not well funded, but the great american empire is able to extract indirect tax from me. So think about how much “tax” it gets from the People’s Bank of China that holds more than 800 Billion US Dollars of reserves.’
I work directly with Koreans for a Korean entity (although in my job I manage non-Koreans), and am paid in Korean currency. I pay no tax to the United States - why should I? - but dutifully pay taxes to the Korean government. I live in Korea - you don’t - and I am the one who would possibly benefit or suffer from what you claim occurs. You, however, actually support the American government through the various tax schemes that it employs. Arguably, between the two of us, you are the more responsible for supporting the system which you say taxes the world, and I am the one who must pay the price for it. And, on top of it all, you get subsidised lunches at the newcomers school - now, how unfair is that?
Sorry - I’m not able to edit the above - my first response above should read ‘and your decision to conduct them (again, if in fact you have) and then complain about them…
gbnhj
To nitpick on where I am and how much I get taxed by the american empire is missing the point entirely.
You should not get into the habit of splattering your brain in the comments section of the marmot’s.
Why don’t you grab this at 교보
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Ah, you already work in the east, you’ve read this?
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ooops, sorry for the messed link
blogspot’s got no problem with those
attention! blog engine developers, you thought links sources could not be so long, huh?
What is a “luxbearer”?
lux bearer wrote: ‘To nitpick on where I am and how much I get taxed by the american empire is missing the point entirely.’
Is it? You’ve chosen to turn a thread regarding a protest for the removal of troops from the ROK toward another topic - at least I’m responding to something which you’ve actually written about.
If your point is that Koreans are ‘taxed’ by the activities that the American government conducts in other areas of the world, that argument is weak. In the last decade, up to and including the past few years, Korea has increased its economic power significantly. At best, you can only argue that it might have increased even more, had the US not undertaken what you allege. Considering the wealth that has been generated here in the last decade, good luck to you in demonstrating any injury. Changes in market values for currencies won’t do it - market values fluctuate essentially freely. Indeed, they did so for the Korean currency a decade ago - was the Financial Crisis a tax, or a market adjustment due to bad governance? In actual fact, such market effects can be wealth generating; the key is to look beyond the rhetoric, and make good decisions quickly. Apparently, you have not been able to do this, but then again, you only lost thousands when purchasing Korean won.
Next fall, don’t register only for the social studies classes at the newcomers school - be sure to sign up for the classes in economics (and home economics!) too. They’re really worth it, lux bearer, and they can be a lot of fun.
If the United States had not spent billions of dollars and lent billions to South Korea, along with the favored trading nation status it gave S.K. and the market protectionism S.K. follows as the U.S. looks the other way, the won would be worth about as much as toilet paper.
i agree that social studies have to go with a study in economics. Otherwise, you just brew up liberal socialists or even worse communists. Just my opinion. Trust me on it, though. You’ll have a whole new perspective on the world with economics.
That’s really funny, because I think satellite photos of North Korea show most of North Korea being pitch dark at night, while South Korea is lit up, and dots on Pyong Yang seem lit up.
No, no… that’s just Kim Jong-il’s plasma TV set.
I’ll remember to show this to all of my American friends who still believe that Koreans are begging the US to do this, rather than telling them to b*gger off.
ACB,
These are a minority, less than 10% of Korean population. The majority, 90%, of people still want the US forces to stay in Korea, hate KJI and Communism and hope to strengthen the ties between Korea and the US.
If you think these Commie activists represent Korea, then you have bought into their strategy and you probably have the same intelligence level.
The only problem is that the “silent” majority is too silent. They are afraid to speak out under the present pro-North government. However, the situation will change rapidly once Rho leaves.
Korea is an anti-Communist country and is willing to fight the North Korea and China any time. Pseudo-intellectuals claim the post-Cold war Korea should be neutral and give no allegiance to any country, but that is just a theory. Did China decrease its military budget? No, the war is still going on.
In practice, and when the push comes to shove, Koreans will fight KJI and China. Pro-North Commies will be executed.
baduk
War with China? You tell that to Motorola and Wal-Mart
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