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	<title>Comments on: NYT on Korea&#8217;s gay clown movie</title>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/30/nyt-on-koreas-gay-clown-movie/#comment-31830</link>
		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, Shelton. I wa talking with to a [insert hip euphemism for 'writer' here] from [insert name-dropping weekly rag here], and I said the exact same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, Shelton. I wa talking with to a [insert hip euphemism for 'writer' here] from [insert name-dropping weekly rag here], and I said the exact same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/30/nyt-on-koreas-gay-clown-movie/#comment-31829</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we've misunderestimated Shelton: Who else had the prescience to know that a gay-themed movie in a country that habitually if not obsessively compares itself to the United States in virtually every endeavor would end up being compared to a gay-themed move in the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve misunderestimated Shelton: Who else had the prescience to know that a gay-themed movie in a country that habitually if not obsessively compares itself to the United States in virtually every endeavor would end up being compared to a gay-themed move in the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: Shelton Bumgarner</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/30/nyt-on-koreas-gay-clown-movie/#comment-31817</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelton Bumgarner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally predicted that story. Just wait until the movie hits the US. I think it's going to be HUGE in the States, for the novelty of it, if nothing else. The hacky headline writers of home will have a field day combining "brokeback" with various words that mean "Korea" in the American imagination.

I was talking to a dude from Time magazine and even used the exact comparison when telling him about the popularity of the "The King and the Clown" in Korea, "It'd be like if 'Brokeback Mountian' was a popular as 'Titanic.'"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally predicted that story. Just wait until the movie hits the US. I think it&#8217;s going to be HUGE in the States, for the novelty of it, if nothing else. The hacky headline writers of home will have a field day combining &#8220;brokeback&#8221; with various words that mean &#8220;Korea&#8221; in the American imagination.</p>
<p>I was talking to a dude from Time magazine and even used the exact comparison when telling him about the popularity of the &#8220;The King and the Clown&#8221; in Korea, &#8220;It&#8217;d be like if &#8216;Brokeback Mountian&#8217; was a popular as &#8216;Titanic.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: itend</title>
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		<dc:creator>itend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would have been a better movie....

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1866/brokebackmountain23ju8ys.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would have been a better movie&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1866/brokebackmountain23ju8ys.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img213.imageshack.us/im.....3ju8ys.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I put my beer bottle between my legs as I reached out to grab something off my desk and the guy totally flipped out saying it brought back flashbacks of Brokeback..." With that kind of reaction, sounds like your friend is in the closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I put my beer bottle between my legs as I reached out to grab something off my desk and the guy totally flipped out saying it brought back flashbacks of Brokeback&#8230;&#8221; With that kind of reaction, sounds like your friend is in the closet.</p>
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		<title>By: Iceberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iceberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Heche played a couple of romantic leads before coming back to our team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Heche played a couple of romantic leads before coming back to our team.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I take it lesbian scenes are fine but gay man scenes? Too uncomfortable?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think I can speak for most straight men when I say that regardless of how we feel about two guys getting down on screen, lesbian scenes are always fine.  In fact, lesbian scenes are probably under-utilized in Hollywood.  I think Halle Berry and Salma Hayek should show a little freakin' dedication to their craft by making a lesbo film.

On a more serious note (not that lesbians making out on screen isn't serious), I forget who I was reading, but she raised a really good point, I thought, by noting the seeming contradiction in Hollywood where openly gay actors can play romantic male leads, but openly lesbian actresses cannot play romantic female leads.  I'm sure if I thought about that for a while, I could probably come up with some reasons why, but it seemed like an interesting comment at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I take it lesbian scenes are fine but gay man scenes? Too uncomfortable?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think I can speak for most straight men when I say that regardless of how we feel about two guys getting down on screen, lesbian scenes are always fine.  In fact, lesbian scenes are probably under-utilized in Hollywood.  I think Halle Berry and Salma Hayek should show a little freakin&#8217; dedication to their craft by making a lesbo film.</p>
<p>On a more serious note (not that lesbians making out on screen isn&#8217;t serious), I forget who I was reading, but she raised a really good point, I thought, by noting the seeming contradiction in Hollywood where openly gay actors can play romantic male leads, but openly lesbian actresses cannot play romantic female leads.  I&#8217;m sure if I thought about that for a while, I could probably come up with some reasons why, but it seemed like an interesting comment at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry for all the typos</description>
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		<title>By: jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the King and the Clown (I still have to see it) but even if they never say they are gay in the film, the movie is still generating discussion about homosexuality and from I'm gathering, it's creating a sort of quasi-acceptance of the concept is it not?

But then when these same people who (in Korea) have formed a false sense of comfort about the idea see something like Brokeback, well, at least the guy I was with reacted really strongly and kind of negatively, which surprised me based on how much he loved the King and the Clown and the discussions we had about homosexuality as a result of whatever it was he saw in that movie.

At first I was really annoyed by his reaction regarding Borkeback and I kept hitting him in the theater telling him to shut up, especially during the tent scene. He was squirming around, hiding his face and loudly making a scene.

But then after the movie he started to obsess over it all, insisting that he isn't insecure or homophobic and how he wants to have a gay friend because I guess he thinks it's "in" or something.

Then a few days later we were having a few beers at my place and without realizing it, I put my beer bottle between my legs as I reached out to grab something off my desk and the guy &lt;b&gt;totally flipped out&lt;/b&gt; saying it brought back flashbacks of Brokeback and a scene where he noticed there were "strategically placed beer bottles."

It must be a straight man thing, right? No matter what your culture is, east or west...You can be open to the concept of homosexuality but when you see homosexuality in your face like it was in Brokeback, it sort of freaks you out right? I take it The King and the Clown sort of touched on the topic enough to cause discussion but not really hmm..."explore" the issue as such?

When it comes to homosexual scenes with straight men (apparently Korean or otherwise), I take it lesbian scenes are fine but gay man scenes? Too uncomfortable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the King and the Clown (I still have to see it) but even if they never say they are gay in the film, the movie is still generating discussion about homosexuality and from I&#8217;m gathering, it&#8217;s creating a sort of quasi-acceptance of the concept is it not?</p>
<p>But then when these same people who (in Korea) have formed a false sense of comfort about the idea see something like Brokeback, well, at least the guy I was with reacted really strongly and kind of negatively, which surprised me based on how much he loved the King and the Clown and the discussions we had about homosexuality as a result of whatever it was he saw in that movie.</p>
<p>At first I was really annoyed by his reaction regarding Borkeback and I kept hitting him in the theater telling him to shut up, especially during the tent scene. He was squirming around, hiding his face and loudly making a scene.</p>
<p>But then after the movie he started to obsess over it all, insisting that he isn&#8217;t insecure or homophobic and how he wants to have a gay friend because I guess he thinks it&#8217;s &#8220;in&#8221; or something.</p>
<p>Then a few days later we were having a few beers at my place and without realizing it, I put my beer bottle between my legs as I reached out to grab something off my desk and the guy <b>totally flipped out</b> saying it brought back flashbacks of Brokeback and a scene where he noticed there were &#8220;strategically placed beer bottles.&#8221;</p>
<p>It must be a straight man thing, right? No matter what your culture is, east or west&#8230;You can be open to the concept of homosexuality but when you see homosexuality in your face like it was in Brokeback, it sort of freaks you out right? I take it The King and the Clown sort of touched on the topic enough to cause discussion but not really hmm&#8230;&#8221;explore&#8221; the issue as such?</p>
<p>When it comes to homosexual scenes with straight men (apparently Korean or otherwise), I take it lesbian scenes are fine but gay man scenes? Too uncomfortable?</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michel Foucault argued that homosexuality is a fairly recent social construct, so the clowns in that movie could have had an intimate but nonsexual relationship, like Abraham Lincoln and his buddy sleeping in the same bed. Or even if there was sex between the men, it could have been seen as OK only within that social category. 

When I first got to Korea and saw men arm in arm, putting their hands on other men's thighs, girls holding hands and wearing chinos and plaid shirts (the official lesbian uniform of West Hollywood, at least in the 1990s) I thought this whole country was gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michel Foucault argued that homosexuality is a fairly recent social construct, so the clowns in that movie could have had an intimate but nonsexual relationship, like Abraham Lincoln and his buddy sleeping in the same bed. Or even if there was sex between the men, it could have been seen as OK only within that social category. </p>
<p>When I first got to Korea and saw men arm in arm, putting their hands on other men&#8217;s thighs, girls holding hands and wearing chinos and plaid shirts (the official lesbian uniform of West Hollywood, at least in the 1990s) I thought this whole country was gay.</p>
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