Entertaining discussion of the term “Japanophile” over at Plunge Pontificates and Japundit.
On a related-but-not-entirely note, Zack the shakuhachi player (in this case, the bamboo flute, not the skin one) of Translator’s Notes explains (in an older post) why “a Japanophile is merely someone who doesn’t really know Japan.” (note: I just learned Zack’s blog was still alive, which is nice to see, because he posts some really good stuff).
And on another-related-but-not-entirely note–this one of much historical interest–Matt over at Gusts of Popular has written another lengthy post, this time about Japan’s historic cultivation of foreign apologists. A must read.
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For the record, this discussion is all my fault.
Yes, and a fine discussion it is. But where exactly did it start? On your blog?
It was here. He first boasted of giving “Japanophiles” heartburn and later had this gem:
:chuckle:
Putting that above comment aside, I emailed him in protest of his use of the word, suggesting that he misunderstood the definition. This has now been widely addressed. I also criticized his style of argument, which remains outstanding (specifically, when someone tries to win an argument spar with insults, it’s an indication that they’re trying to make up for a weak premise).
OK, so that’s how this whole thing started.
It’s interesting, though, that the terms Francophile, Anglophile, Sinophile or even Koreaphile don’t come with the same kind of connotation of “fetishization” that Japanophile comes with. Wonder why that is.
Sorry, the quote that actually suggested a misunderstanding of the term was this:
Most Japanophiles are unlikely to even understand the Yasukuni or textbook issue, being too focused on (pick one): Tokugawa Era history, tea ceremony, Buddhism, manga, hentai porn, etc etc.
I think fetish has to do with sex, and it’s the Japanese’s own fault for having portrayed themselves as sex crazy people, both in practice (World War II Japanese troops) and present day practices( small example, Japanese tv shows aimed at children will show topless scenes). I always wondered why Japan is this way. I just generally know that it has to do with the Heian era.
You make it sound like it’s a bad thing
WJK: Japan is, generally speaking, less prudish about sex than neighboring countries in East Asia and most of the Western world. I would not define that as an issue of being “the Japanese’ own fault.” The existence of “hentai porn” and sexually explicit manga is probably part of the reason people are willing to believe Japan is a depraved country of perverts. And speaking of dispelling such myths, Japanese TV shows aimed at children never show topless scenes.
Robert: It is interesting. Why did Plunge say “Japanophiles” are unwilling to see anything wrong with Japan, but used “most of us who love Korea” instead of “Koreaphiles”? Was that a careless, subconscious, or deliberate?
BTW, the grumpy anti-Japanophile rant… was by a Japanophile! I.e. as I said at Plunge’s blog, “the types of expats who have lived in Japan for ten odd years and can extoll the virtues of esoteric zen Buddhism or reveal the most obscure facts of tea ceremony” (or in this case, antique shakuhachi). Most Japanese people generally regard these types of foreigners as freaks.
sailor moon
dragon ball…it’s no myth. Was the original Dragon ball cartoon meant for teenagers? 18 years old plus? Same for Sailormoon?
1.) That’s a cartoon.
2.) I want vidcaps from a real show actually broadcast on TV (what you can buy on a DVD at your local adult store doesn’t count; and tentacles are a dead giveaway that you’ve been duped).
Curzon, I was talking about tv shows as in cartoons. Someone else can provide the proof.
“The existence of ‘hentai porn’ and sexually explicit manga is probably part of the reason people are willing to believe Japan is a depraved country of perverts.” It’s more the other parts, like bukkake, scat, child porn….
I did get a kick out of the show in Japan where women bathed in their underwear and men sniffed their panties trying to guess which part of Japan the water came from…the foreign tea ceremony freaks have nothing on the natives.
Don’t misunderstand me, Japan’s a great place, I don’t care what someone’s quirks happen to be, but its fetishization by some foreigners–is a fetish for some of the biggest fetishizers on the planet.
If anime breasts are too hard for your kids to handle, I would not recommend living in Japan. See also first sentence of my initial reply to you.
Are there TV shows where female only audience encircle a stage where sexual acts are performed live? Contestants from the audiences would be picked and they would each try to perform the best fellatio on a number of men. The winner ultimately having full intercourse with the prize “male”. All the while, every member in the audience watch on the edge of their chairs in utter envy of the contestants.
Sounds a bit far fetched even for Japan? Another “myth”?
Michael:
Bukkake: Rare in Japanese porn; big on English porn sites promoting alleged “Japanese” porn.
Scat: ‘tub girl’ aside, Japan has nothing on Germany
Children: they’ve got nothing on Russia.
As for panty-sniffing TV shows, I’m glad to say that all of America is not judged for Girls Gone Wild; South Park; Mardi Gras; the current infatuation in the LA modern porn industry with anal sex; and much more. I’d likewise hope and expect that people who see nutty TV shows from Japanese late-night TV would not think that this is what Japan is about.
(Although again, if kinky sex is too much for you to handle, you might want to consider living in Montana instead of Tokyo.)
Hey, I like South Park.
That’s nice, Robert. I do to. I am glad, however, that when people hear I am an American citizen, they don’t go “hahaha, lick my salty chocolate balls! hahahahaha”
Gee, thanks for your correction of my perceptions. Maybe you missed “I don’t care what someone’s quirks happen to be” in the above. I wasn’t making a moral judgment or being a porn connoisseur, the panty-sniffing show I enjoyed watching in Kyoto on cable TV is fetishization in a land of fetishizers. Don’t get all Charisma Man on us.
Koreans are not sex crazy people??
Adult sites most favored by Koreans in Asia
Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post reported Tuesday that among Asian countries, Korea has the highest connection rate to adult-oriented Internet sites
http://english.donga.com/srv/s.....r=20010206
Harmful Websites in the Korean Language Rank 2nd
Korean-language Internet websites ranked second following English sites, after having classified harmful sites such as those with pornography around the world based on user language. This suggests that Korean pornographic websites have increased a great deal on the web.
http://english.donga.com/srv/s.....r=20030428
Korea’s sex industry is major money earner
The profits from the sex industry made up 5 percent of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product last year, making it larger than the agricultural and fisheries industry, which earned 24 trillion won in profits in 2002. The survey found that 1 out of 25 women in Korea between the ages of 20 and 34 work in the sex industry, a number comparable to the 290,000 women of the same age group who worked in factory jobs in 2000, according to the Korea National Statistical Office.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com.....09041.html
Two S. Korean children in U.S. arrested for alleged sexual assault
Two South Korean children studying in the United States were arrested by police there for allegedly sexually
assaulting a girl and a two-year-old baby, South Korea’s foreign ministry said Saturday.
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engne.....005E2.html
Doesn’t Europe show tits on “regular” TV all the time? I heard even Canada is more lenient about that stuff but I don’t actually have any proof.
Are there TV shows where female only audience encircle a stage where sexual acts are performed live? Contestants from the audiences would be picked and they would each try to perform the best fellatio on a number of men. The winner ultimately having full intercourse with the prize “male”. All the while, every member in the audience watch on the edge of their chairs in utter envy of the contestants.
Sounds a bit far fetched even for Japan? Another “myth”?
Ummm… I have seen exactly what you’re talking about. I believe this is just plain old porn (with a gameshow theme) and not a “TV show”, as most other naive foreigners who watch that for the first time would think. It kind of took me by surprise first, until I realized that this could just be like any other porno produced by America or some other pr0n-producing country…
That’s nice, Robert. I do to. I am glad, however, that when people hear I am an American citizen, they don’t go “hahaha, lick my salty chocolate balls! hahahahaha”
hahahaha. I like this guy.
Its a porn movie. The women in it are also porn actresses, not regular women.
“Sounds a bit far fetched even for Japan? Another “myth”?”
Hey guess what guys,
There are German porno movies in which women will perform fellation to donkeys and horses. Sounds a bit far fetched even for the Germany? Another “myth”?
Therefore, I conclude with my Korean brain that the sole basis for all German culture is bestiality.
And another…I saw several Korean internet movies capturing adults beating women and children in the face in public places silly until they bleed to death. Sounds a bit far fetched even for Korea? Another “myth”? Therefore, I can safely conclude with my Korean brain that sole basis for Korean culture is violence against children and women.
Brought to you by the Association of Korean Logical Thinking. After all, why even bother trying to experience a culture for yourself? Everyone knows that a nation’s entire culture can be completely defined and understood soley by the nature of the pornography it produces.
Someone over at Japundit posted his interpretation of “Japanophile” which I absolutely loved. I will post it here for others to read.
“(A Japanophile is)Someone who does not bear a chip on his/her own shoulder and opts to look at the positive experiences/aspects about Japan rather than obsessing about the negatives. This really irks and riles up the Japan haters who hate to see a person enjoying or saying anything positive about Japan.”
Japan. Oh, Japan. I think a US public Univ Prof who teaches/studies Japanese culture told our class that during the Heian period, Japanese people experimented with an unprecedented level of promiscuity. Children were being born, who never saw their fathers, and sometimes women did not know who the father was. Men grew up in the households of their mothers. Am I hallucinating, or am I actually recalling accurate information? You know that kind of background will surely make a nation more accepting of sexuality. And, cartoon boobs or not, those Japanese cartoonists are pretty darn good at drawing. It’s not like seeing South Park characters with boobs, you know. These cartoon boobs will give any normal male a decent erection. That’s the problem. Japanese kids or any kid who watches these made for children cartoons are having sexual stimulation at such an early age. Kind of unwarranted, in my opinion. And the fact is, you won’t see a tv show having a contest to coitus on Korean tv…yet… That’s the truly sad influence of Japanese culture on Korean society. At least, the Koreans like to hide their perceived shame. South Korea is well wired, so that may be way they lead the internet porn stats. Believe it or not, Europe is different from Japan. They didn’t engage in a publicly accepted level of sexual interaction on such a public scale. Well, nowadays you might not be able to tell the difference. I am in no way saying that present day Japan is full of children who don’t know who their fathers are. Probably they have decent families. I am told that there is a Buddhist ritual that is very popular for Japanese mothers who have aborted their pregnancies in one way or another, hoping to do some good to the unborn. That was the same US public Univ Prof. Let’s just say that univ is part of the present NCAA Final Four.
well, in quick retrospect, I think my comment is unecessary and unwarranted, and I apologize to anyone who is Japanese. Disregard the whole thing. You Japanese people are great. Pretty creative and make good reliable stuff and decent food.
‘but korea! but korea! korea does it too!!!’ whined the japophile
isn’t funny how a japophile will tell us how different the japanese are from the koreans but then will turn around and tell us the koreans are the same as the japanese whenever their pet is spoken about unfavorably?
signs and symptoms of a japophile:
1. usually third class westerner
2. thinks hating koreans would enhance his ability to get dates
3. tells asians to shut up about the past while he reminds them that japan has been peacful for the PAST 60 years.
4. learns to repeat japanese poopaganda regarding it’s korean origins ie ‘all the descendants of baekche live in japan!’
5. gets teary eyed when he hears ‘kimigayo’
6. sets up website to denigrate koreans ie japaundit, occidentalism.org, korea media watch….
7. usually that creepy looking guy in the manga section of any given bookstore here in the us.
Funny how even a thread that has plumbed the depraved depths with bukkake and bestiality can be debased further by the arrival of nulji. That’s talent!
Japanese kids or any kid who watches these made for children cartoons are having sexual stimulation at such an early age.
Haha, that argument is such BS. “Causes sexual thought”. In the words of the late Bill hicks, here’s what causes “sexual thought”: having a dick.
3. tells asians to shut up about the past while he reminds them that japan has been peacful for the PAST 60 years.
Uhhhh…and this is probably relevant because this continued 60 years AFTER and still PRESENT?
Christ, you’re dumb.
WJK: A “US public Univ Prof” said that? Then it must be true! (For the record, US-based Japan studies is bullshit.)
Also, “At least, the Koreans like to hide their perceived shame”? The cartoon boobs give any male a boner? Is that why you read Marmot, for the occasional flashes of Race Queen toplessness? If you have that much pent-up pent-up sexual frustration and guilt, I’ll say it again: you are too prudish to live in Japan, regardless of your stint in Kyoto.
Oy vey, I can’t believe how long this simple conversation has lasted and onto three different blogs at that. For the sake of brevity, henceforth Japanophile shall be value neutral. The pejorative will simply be nip lover. Jing has spoken, begone peons!
Right back at ya, wjk…it must really be painful for a Korean to taste his own dirty medicine. I’ve notice they really hate it when their own stupid, idiotic thinking is applied to themselves.
Korea. Oh, Korea. I think a US public Univ Prof who teaches/studies Korean culture told our class that during the Chosun period, Korean people experimented with an unprecedented level of promiscuity, although as usual, Koreans to this day will flat out deny it or try to put the blame on a foreign source, such as Japan. Children were being born, who never saw their fathers, and sometimes women did not know who the father was. Men grew up in the households of their mothers. Am I hallucinating, or am I actually recalling accurate information? You know that kind of background will surely make a nation a nation of whores who exports their whores to “oriental massage parlors” all over the world from Manilla to Los Angeles?
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....70013.html
Whereas in Japan or Taiwan the prostitution is kept at bay domestically, Korea is the only nation I have seen which exports their cheap whores as commodities abroad. Perhaps, it is from the typical “money money is everything” mentality that is very much a part of the superficial Korean culture. And it is not surprising considering that 90% of all Korean men lose their virginity to a prostitute.
And, soft core porn or not, those Koreans are pretty darn good at hiding all of their dirt in order to give the impression that their country is clean. However, all it takes is a taxi drive through parts of northern Seoul to realize how much of a whore kingdom Korea really is. Kind of unwarranted, in my opinion. And the fact is, you still won’t see a tv show having a contest to coitus on Japanese tv…yet…but of course, Koreans, who are very good at twisting the truth and fabricating news to fit their bigoted racist agenda will try to make it seem that porn is shown on regular TV. Even now in Japan, people are becoming more insecure and adopting a selfish philosophy of “me first and screw you” cutting in lines, lying and cheating on tests just to get ahead, and worrying about plastic surgery. That’s the truly sad influence of Korean culture on Japanese. At least, the Japanese are not at all insecure and honest about human sexuality whereas Koreans are in denial. South Korea is well wired, so that may be way they lead the internet porn stats along witht he most racist websites on the internet. Believe it or not, China is different from Korea. They don’t engage in a publicly accepted level of stealing other countries ideas, culture and technology and marketing them as their own on such a public scale. Well, nowadays you might not be able to tell the difference. I am in no way saying that present day Korea is full of children who feel it is OK to beat women after watching their fathers do so to their mothers or lying to get ahead. Probably they have decent families. I am told that there is a Buddhist ritual that is very popular for Korean mothers who have aborted their pregnancies in one way or another, hoping to do some good to the unborn. Maybe that explains that other than cheap whores, the biggest export to foreign countries from Korea are unwanted childen. You dont see that even from poorer countries in Asia like China or Vietnam..only Korea. It is a very telling statement of how Korea values its children. That was the same US public Univ Prof. Let’s just say that univ is part of the present NCAA Final Four.
I hope you all enjoyed the racist filth trash spewed by wjk. Quite laughable to say the least. I am wondering if that US public Univ Prof is the same one who claimed that aliens visited him one night and took him aboard a spaceship before telling him that he is the new messiah. I guess in Korea that type of person would be very respected whereas in the rest of the civilized world, he would be regarded as a nutjob. Explains alot about Koreans I guess. In any case, I doubt that we will be seeing wjk posting any links which actually document or prove that such a Professor is teaching such ridiculous made up racist filth.
Most likely, he is talking about a Korean professor at a Korean university. That would be very believable since as you know…Korean universities are sooo well respected (sarcastic laugh) as places of higher learning. I heard that Josef Stalin, Castro and many third world dicators seeking an education of how to brainwash people into believing propaganda see Korean universities and education as the top model for such teaching.
Speaking of which, some boobie pics are probably overdue by now.
‘but japan! but japan! japan does it too..and worse!!!’ whined the gookophile
isn’t funny how a gookophile will tell us how different the koreans are from the japanese but then will turn around and tell us the japanese are the same as the koreans whenever their pet is spoken about unfavorably?
signs and symptoms of a gookophile:
1. usually third class westerner
2. usually had a history of unsuccssful dates with cute japanese girls who rejected his creepy advances and stalking. after being hurt and angry, the thinks that hating japanese would enhance his ability to get dates from koreans to solve the chip on his shoulder.
3. tells asians to always bring up the WWII even when the topic at hand is as something as neutral as the weather in japan or sony playstation while he reminds them that korea won 8 gold medals in the last olympics, built some turtleship in the past, and finally surpassed japan in the the number of plastic lunch boxes produced back in 1987…a feat which is memorialized by decorating his room with the 2 week’s worth of newspaper headlines from the Joong An Ilbo that celebrated this feat. A true sign of accomplisment and pride for all Koreans. Taught in all Korean history textbooks as well too.
4. learns to repeat korean poopaganda regarding it’s chinese origins ie ‘koreans taught chinese characters to the chinese are descended from a bear god! 99% of the korean population believe this to be fact’
5. gets teary eyed when he sees a death threat issued to Apollo Ohno online.
6. sets up website to denigrate japanese (take your pick…so many to choose from: plunge pontificates, crisscross japan, antijapan.com…pretty much any website originating in korea),
7. usually is the guy who could have been that creepy looking guy in the manga section of any given bookstore here in the us, but is even creepier than that since his social skills were so bad that he was rejected from any job in japan so he had to settle for second best in korea. now he does nothing but eat smelly year old kimchi, wear tacky late 80’s fashion, brags about his small penis size but walks like he owns the sidewalk, and screams “i hate japan!” to impress the korean whores at the massage parlor where he frequents.
chonko, curzon, go study the Heian period of Japan. I don’t lie. I mingled some opinions in there, but it is a US public University, and the prof happens to be a European who dedicated his life and career to studying Japanese culture. He himself says one of Japan’s history books is pretty much a lie. Much like Samguk sagi of Korea being a lot of lies, because I believe it was written during the Koryo period, which is couple hundred years after events took place. You can’t compare Korea to Japan in regards to public promiscuity. This wasn’t a hush-hush thing, but more of a social phenomenon. Not even prostitution. Inside joke from Korea’s side is Japanese women wear pillows on the backs of their kimonos and their kimono serves as a blanket. Enough filth, sorry.
I’m not an expert on Joseon-era sexuality, but I might conjecture that the “official” discourse on the matter was quite different from what was actually taking place on the street (or in the bedroom). To which, I point to this and this.
wjk, curzon, go study the Chosun period of Korea. I don’t lie. I mingled some opinions in there, but it is a US public University, and the prof happens to be a European who dedicated his life and career to studying Korean culture. He himself and almost all educated people on earth know that Korea’s history books are nothing but lies. Unlike like Samguk sagi of Korea being the truth but considered unfavorable by Koreans since it doesn’t fit their racist agenda.
You can’t compare Japan to Korea in regards to public promiscuity and hygeine. This wasn’t a hush-hush thing, but more of a social phenomenon. Not even prostitution. Korean women would wear hanboks with their breasts exposed every day in public. Photos exists if you need proof. Furthermore, whereas the Geisha were skilled court artisans, Korea’s kisaengs were nothing but whores for the yangbans. Prostitution and whores are practically a Korean invention and something which Korea does very well. Inside joke from Japan’s side is Korean women scream all the time in loud voices because it is Korean culture for men used to beat them while having sex with them. Another one is that Tupperware can finance its next fiscal year if all the Korean in LA and Seoul were to melt the plastic from their faces. (LOL…this one is from the US) Enough filth, sorry:)
씨발놈s instead.
also a nice one to say is simply 편견 차지마(세요)
It’s interesting to note that when foreigners first arrive in Japan, the words/phrases that they learn first are:
すみません－ Excuse me/Thank you
ありがとうございます - Thank you
いろいろお世話になりました - Thank you for having taken care of me.
However, when foreigners go to Korea, the absolute emergency words which every foreigner know within the first month are:
양놈세끼 - Western fucker
미국놈 - American bastard/f_cker
편견 차지마(세요) - Don’t be prejudiced
씨발놈 - Bastard
Kind of goes to show you how different the two cultures and way of thinking is in Korea vs. Japan.
Here is a recent experience from an expat in Seoul. This type of post seems to pop up daily in Korean blogs which indicates it is pretty much a common occuring theme. You hardly ever hear about this type of thing happening in China, Taiwan, or let alone in Japan or anywhere else in Asia.
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Yesterday, while taking the subway I was on the phone to a Korean friend. Sat next to me was an ajoshi and his wife. About four minutes into the phone call the following conversation ensued, (the gist of it)
Ajoshi - 야 조용히해!
(Hey, shut up!)
Me - (finishing the phone call) 왜모르는 사람한테 반말해요?
(Why do you speak with banmal to someone you don’t know?)
A - 씨발놈! 너무시끄러워!
(*beep* off, you are too noisy)
Me - 작은 소리로 통화 하고있었는데요. 왜욕해요?
(I was speaking quitely though)
A - Bursts into tirade, and repeatedly swears at me. He used every Korean swear word I have ever learnt, and then some. Very very loud.
Me- 이제 누가 더 시끄러워? 한국에서 몇년동안 살았는데 이렇게 심하게 취급받는것이 처음이야! 부끄러운줄 알아야되.
(Who is being louder now? I have lived in Korea for several years but this is the first time I have been treated like this. You should be ashamed)
A - Go back home (in English) 미국놈! (assumes I am an American - I am not)
Me - 미국에서왔다고 생각해? 영국에서 왔는데.
(You think I am from the US? I am from the UK.
A - I then turn to his wife, 남편이세요? 챙피하지않으세요?
(Is he your husband? Are you not ashamed?
A’s Wife - 챙피안해!
(I am not ashamed)
A- He interupts and repeatedly swears. I don’t understand half of what he is saying. He is going wild.
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The weird thing is Koreans are so rude and hate to hear English being spoken in their country. They are so quick to say, “You are in (name of country) Speak (country’s language)”
However, they totally disregard (aka. ignore) the fact that Koreans are the most obnoxious and loudest tourists in the world. When they are in foreign countries, they find it perfectly OK to yell and scream in that god-awful jarring language of theirs and do as they please with no respect at all for the local culture. Go to any country in SE Asia (Phillipines, Thailand, Vietnam) and ask the locals how much they love Korean tourists or overseas expats working at Korean companies. It is no wonder why one of the most popular selling books in Malaysia a few years back was entitled “Koreans are Sons of Bitches”
Curzon the cosmopolitan, stays flaccid when confronted by Japanese porn.
I should have made it clear that I meant “fetish” in a broader sense than only sexuality. Also, that while Japanese society is of course as complex and contradictory as any other, the “Japanophile” does seem to fetishize aspects of it. Japan has an interesting, fairly distinct take on sexuality, so much so that its covered in academia, whereas the sex lives of, say, Belgians seems to get less coverage. It’s no big deal, really, Curzon, please stop telling me to move to Montana and lumping my comments in with others.
WJK: If you have that much pent-up sexual frustration, shame, guilt, not to mention blatant bigotry, you are too prudish to be involved in a comment discussion on this board.
Or a university professor… sorry, same thing
Here is the root of the problem.
Angry and bitter kyopo, why continue to torture yourself? Flee the decadent lair of the Japanophilic white man and return to the virtuous, long-suffering, and pornography-free motherland.
The corresponding joke from the Japanese side is that the reason a woman’s hanbok is so high-waisted is so that her accidental pregnancies can be more easily hidden.
One must admit the Japanese are more sexually more “dirty” or “degenerate” people than Koreans. You can embellish it by saying “they are open”,”they have freer attitudes”, or “they are not ashamed of it” but the truth is Japanese attitudes on sex are different from Christian West or even Confusian Korea.
Just visit Tokyo backstreet. You will see all kinds of degerate variety of sex. Some of it too dirty to write about.
chonko, don’t do copies, man. You are typical Japanese, a copycat with no originality. A couple of times are enough. After that, it gets old.
Curz does have a tendency to get a bit flustered and befuddled in this essentially unmoderated forum
And I have heard from several sources that Kimono served as a quickie mat in the field with the pillow attached.
Please let me know if this is not a historical fact.
Maybe Curz should stick to this forum:
http://www.montanaforum.com/
“chonko, don’t do copies, man. You are typical Japanese,”
Sorry, Baduk…not Japanese.:) However, you probably wish I were. However, as far as copying..it seems like your Korean brethren are the masters at that. Ever heard of anything original that Korea invented other than kimchi (and even with that, hot peppers were an import).
“a copycat with no originality. A couple of times are enough. After that, it gets old.”
Methinks that it’s not the copying that you are getting sick of…it’s having your own racist filth flung back at you that really gets Koreans upset. As the national motto of Korea says, “they love to dish it out, but hate to take their own.”
And I have heard from several sources that it is a Korean custom to eat food which has already been chewed up by others as a token of good will and jung.
Please let me know if this is not a historical fact.
Hey guys! Did you see the Gong Li post?
And even if it were, what’s your point?
“And even if it were, what’s your point?”
Maybe you should ask that question to wjk and other members of the “Korea is superior to Japan” society. I guess my point is the same point that they are trying to make regarding kimonos and pillows.
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Japan’s Human trafficking for sex trade
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Dr. Declan Hayes has looked into modern Japan’s moral heart of darkness and he recounts what he sees. From the child sex hookers of Shibuya and Ikebukuro, to the gang rapists of Japan’s top universities, from the killer cults to the classy women whose top of the range mobile phones double as sexual vibrators, this is a book on Japan like no other.
Mobile phones double as vibrators? Only in Japan. They also sell balls to keep inside woman’s you-know-what.
Certainly my point is that people who judge an entire society on one aspect, whether it be anime nudity or salty chocolate balls, should be ignored.
Chonko, thanks for the satire. Because we must admit the Koreans are more “dirty” and “degenerate” people than Japanese. Just visit Seoul’s backstreets. You will see all kinds of degenerate sex. Some of it too dirty to write about.
[ / making Baduk eat his own words, for those of you who haven't been reading the entire threat.]
No sex is ever too dirty to write about
The Chinese and Koreans agree that the Japanese are savages. They got lucky in receiving the Western culture quickly and modernizing.
Yet, in terms of culture, ethics and value system, the Japanese are below the Chinese and Koreans. I admit that they are rich now and their cities are modernized, but once they lose wealth (through upcoming war with China) Japan will regress into the animal society where they came from.
Sexual slaves. Maruta at Machuria. Nanjing.
These will repeat not outside, but inside Japan.
I don’t like women with balls.
The Japanese and Americans agree that the Koreans are savages. They got lucky in receiving Truman and MacArthur’s help quickly and modernizing.
In terms of culture, ethics and value system, the Korean are even below the Chinese. I admit that they are rich now and their cities are modernized, but once they lose wealth (through an upcoming nuking by North Korea) they will regress into the animal society where they came from.
They are a country of liars. Dr. Hwang, an A-Class Moron who they worship as a national hero.
These will repeat not outside, but inside Korea. (Whatever that means, translation anyone?)
About Manchuria, I was writing about this topic.
http://www2.unescobkk.org/eubios/EJ106/ej106c.htm
Curzon,
You are chonko? Why don’t you just say so? At least, a real Japanese will be honest enough to use real name. Or, commit Sapuku.
You don’t even deserve to be a Japanophile.
i don’t think the japanese “got lucky in receiving Western culture quickly.” they made a conscious effort to turn down the Western world fully and indefinitely. no luck involved. in contrast, korea has sometimes turned down the Western road, turned around, gone four-wheeling into no man’s land, gotten back on the road and forgotten where they’re going numerous times. if korea does emerge as an advanced country some day there will definitely be luck involved.
Baduk: No, I’m not a Japanophile (which is how this post started). As for my real name, it’s the Lord George Nathaniel Curzon. Other titles include 1st Marquess Curzon of Kedleston, Viceroy of India, etc etc.
Baduk,
Sorry to spoil your dreams…I know that you were foaming at the mouth wishing I was Japanese just so that you could be reassured that a person like me, who seems to get under your skin, has to be Japanese. Koreans love to hate others…especially those to whom they feel inferior or jealous, namely Japan and the US. Hatred is the single most important driving force in a Korean’s life. To take away the chance to indulge in this jealous ridden hatred would be the same as taking away the life blood soul of a Korean. That is why Koreans always so desperately wish that all anti-Korean comments come from Japanese people when in fact, hardly any of them do. Most anti-Korean attitudes begin by Koreans doing what they do best…being arrogant, obnoxious, selfish, greedy, hypocritical, dirty, childish and whatever other characteristic that Koreans are known for. And to tell you the truth most of the Japanese who have experience with Korea end up liking or having positive feelings. I seriously think they are totally whacked crazy for being so naively duped by the cunningly sly Koreans who hide their true racist nature and never reveal it in front of their Japanese counterparts. On the other hand, more perceptive westerners, SE Asians, and Africans who are able to see Korean society’s ugly and racist nature for what it is are too smart to fall for the BS sugar coating that Koreans try to put on.
In any case, basically Koreans are just one stop above chimpanzees as far as civility. Dont think I know of any other nation where spitting, pissing, and defecating in public are the national sports. Also, it seems as though whereas in other civilized countries, the top 3 ideals taught by mothers to children are: Be Humble. Treat others as you would like to be treated and do not cause unnecessary trouble for others…in Korea, the top 3 ruling tenets of life that all Korean children aspire to are:
1) Always try to be #1 no matter if you need to lie and cheat
2) Me first. Don’t care about others becuase they don’t matter.
3) If I can’t get my way, then scream the loudest or cry and eventually someone will help me.
Great system of values.
The Korean mind thinks of anything even remotely related with Japan as a penis-measuring contest. Koreans would probably spend a million dollars/year to see if they could surpass Japan in the number of bicycle horns produced each year. Meanwhile, the average Japanese would be more interested in what color socks he should buy next month than how his nation is faring against Korea in any competition.
I think it stems from Korean men’s insecurity with themselves….the small man disease. The link below is proof of why Korean men have such an inferiority complex with because of their small size. That is why they are so angry, frothing at the mouth and screaming all the time.
http://www.clickpress.com/rele.....05cp.shtml
Koreans…very pitiful,but oh so entertaining to observe!
More on Korean whores…Korea’s biggest export next to junk cars, electronics and unwanted babies. As if they haven’t got enough in their own country, they have to flood other countries with them.
http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/.....Canada.htm
http://www.nydailynews.com/fro.....7611c.html
http://www.time.com/time/asia/.....99,00.html
Michael Breen, a British journalist, quotes a foreign banker who worked closely with a chaebol as saying:
“I make a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? I will not support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. But in the case of Korea it is almost a religious doctrine to keep foreign things out. If you buy a foreign car, you’re seen as a traitor. They pick narrow industrial sectors and all jump in like copycats. If I see a Korean sports team, I root for the other side. Why? Because they’re so full of themselves that they leave no room for other parties to participate and enjoy themselves. The 1988 Olympics was worse than the Hitler Games of 1936. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They’re full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behaviour if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea’s problems are the result of wilfulness by foreigners. This is the mark of a scoundrel.”
Michael Breen (1998). The Koreans; Who They Are, What They Want, Where There Future Lies. New York: St. Martins Press (pages 19-20).
Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews: The Koreans: Who They Are, What They Want, Where Their Future Lies by Michael Breen
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi.....vi=reviews
It’s amazing how these Japanophiles have resorted to various personal attacks. Bottom line is Japanophile is associated with sex crazy for a reason that the world seems to recognize. Alright?
Curzon, are you telling the truth? I may have put in some opinions with facts, but I told no lie. In fact, when I mentioned it was a cartoon, you even accepted that it happens in cartoons, and resorted to personal attacks. Are you British, then?
It’s amazing how these Koreaphiles have resorted to making up unsubstantiated fabricated stories to further their agenda. Bottom line is Koreaophile is associated with inferiority complex, lack of social skills, and jealousy of Japan for a reason that the world seems to recognize. Alright?
You know what…
Actually, according to the logic of the Koreaphiles here, Chinese culture is superior and more noble/high class than Korean culture because Korean commercials and TV show women in short skirts and and sex-provoking themes. However, Chinese TV rarely shows women dressed provacatively and it is illegal to show couples kissing on TV in China whereas in Korea it is not. Furthermore, Korea has internet sex videos of famous celebrities whereas in China, such degeneracy and sick culture would never be allowed. Thus, Korea is a morally decadent and sick country compared to more conservative and high class China.
chonko, you idiot. Can’t even write your own lines, huh you retard? I took an undergrad course concerning Japan, I tell no lie. What incentive does a European national (who personally states that he likes the country called Japan very much)have in stating that during the Heian period, when Japan was totally free of all foreign influence, they would resort to a social practice, where men and women were being very promiscuous? Why? In fact, most of my classmates were Japanese, and they raised no objections. I was the Korean in the course, because I always wondered what a 3rd party would say about Japan in an academic course.
Goodwin drew on such sources as courtier and courtesan diaries, records of judicial cases involving the asobi, and divorce settlements to argue that the Japanese embraced a very liberal attitude towards sex in the early Heian period. Men were polygamous, women serially monogamous, widows sexually active, and divorce common. Prostitution was merely risqué, not shameful, according to Goodwin.
http://www.isop.ucla.edu/japan.....ntid=37093
Dumbass Japanophiles.
By the way, this is not that prof, he doesn’t even use powerpoints, but this is what I could dig up. Morons. Bigots.
chonko, you idiot. Can’t even write your own lines, huh you retard? I took an undergrad course concerning Japan. Did you read that? And that was for actual credit, at a REAL American community college! I tell no lie, I actually passed the course. And the course was taught by a university professor, who actually had a PhD! That’s right, Doctor of Philosophy! And what made it even more authentic was that he had a Polish accent! I think he even wrote a book or something, or at least I know he read one. Don’t you see, because of that, everything he ever said must be true! Guaranteed fact. Face it, your arguments are nothing in the face of my logic.
Just face it Chonko, you can’t accept that in one time of Japan’s history, people may have actually gotten down with each other without being married. That’s right, they had real, actual sex! Did you hear me? BEFORE MARRIAGE! Sometime they even put their pee-pees in each other mouthes! The scandal!
Listening to the lecture, I would get so excited about it during class that I’d had to relieve myself in the bathroom. It didn’t help that the students in the class with me were actually Japanese! How could I just sit there, with people in me whose ancestors may once had penetrated an orifice of a person of the opposite sex with whom they were not betrothed! They didn’t try and correct the teacher, so it must be true!
LOL..calm down, wjk! Wow, it looks like I made that Korean insecurity and temper flare up in you! its so funny to see Koreans and kyopos go screaming angry when you give them a taste of their own double standards.
So what…Japan has a more liberal attitude towards sex than Korea. So what exactly are you trying to prove?
Koreans love to just spit out random things like this or about how the Imperial family has some Korean roots, or about how Korea has more plastic lunchboxes than Japan. However, they always say this without ever clearly defining their motivation or objectives….but of course, we all know why they do so….its a very childish way of releasing their inferiority complex and trying to somehow convince others (although quite unsuccessfully) that Korea is somehow superior to Japan. So funny…its kind of like a 5 year old kid trying to list up all the reasons why he is better than an older, taller and more mature brother who just beat him in a game of basketball.
curzon, and chonko. The link says Ucla. Whatever they spew out of their mouths, to have tenure there, they conduct academic research. They have no incentive to lie.
you’re the fucko who said I was lying all along. Fuck ass.
Goodwin drew on such sources as a geocities link and a blog somewhere. On it he found actual records of cases involving divorce. Did you hear me, I said divorce! That’s when a mommy and a daddy stop loving each other!! This scandal never existed in Korea, at least not until Japan came and ruined it, along with those damn white people. See how their taint ruined our country! In Heian Japan, men would go to actual night clubs and hit on a woman, and he might even put his lips on her lips that very same night, and she might even let him! This is all what a real professor said. It’s true, face it.
wjk..your royal taegeukiness of all things superior on that small peninsular nation of yours. You wrote:
“Men were polygamous, women serially monogamous, widows sexually active, and divorce common. Prostitution was merely risqué, not shameful, according to Goodwin.”
Holy smokes…that is a description of modern Korean society! You sure you didn’t take a class entitled “The Decay of Modern Korean Society?”
I apologize for cursing out Curzon and Chonko. It was unwarranted. Sorry.
No worries.
WJK, what do you think of the Japanophile label?
By the way, wjk…you never answered my question about China. I took a class by a Chinese professor one time who was saying that Koreans are dirty savages because of the way they exploit women and use sex freely to get things they need. Chinese friends have told me that no Chinese woman would ever debase herself to that level and appear on TV dressed so seductively. I agree with him that China is a morally superior culture than Korea or the rest of the world. I am sure you do too as well.
although, if you were actually thinking people, you would realize that Heian was 11th century. Other soceities around the world, no matter what their culture, did not divorce as they do now. 11th century. Don’t even compare to modern day, because most societies did not do this in the best interests of maintaining some sort of social order.
actually, it’s earlier than 11th century. Late 700’s to 1100’s. What do you have to say about that, huh? Curzon and Chonko? You never took such a class Chonko. Don’t lie to your self.
That would be “yourself.” What do you have to say about that, huh? You never took a spelling class. Don’t lie.
Curzon, thanks for accepting the apology. I’ll refrain from commenting on your question.
I think at this point we all need to calm down and look at Gong Li. Gong Li transcends nationality. She transcends culture. She transcends historical point of view. Although I’m not sure even Gong Li can bring redemption to someone suffering from so great an ignobility as being a Met fan.
WJK: shortly after the Heian Japanese finished getting kinky with each other, the Mongols decimated Korea. Which bothers you more?
” if you were actually thinking people, you would realize that Heian was 11th century. Other soceities around the world, no matter what their culture, did not divorce as they do now. 11th century.”
Jesus Christ, this is getting old….I seriously wonder why synapses fire so slowly in the Korean brain, but here it goes again…
wjk, my question to you over and over again is….”WHO THE F_CK CARES?” What