Comments on: Hwang Woo-suk gets canned at SNU

By: Wedge

Wedge — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:57:06 +0000

“They didn’t spend…” How come this edit thingy doesn’t work?

By: Wedge

Wedge — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:55:39 +0000

To the best of my knowledge those cold fusion guys didn’t commit fraud, they simply posted their results for others to replicate and nobody could. The didn’t spend $20 million in taxpayers’ money on junkets, prossies and God knows what else. They also weren’t ungrammatically labeled “pride of nation, hope of world” as far as I recall.

By: wjk

wjk — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:25:04 +0000

thanks for the reply, Baduk. Good luck at Stony Brook
I feel like crap right now, because Japan won tonight’s game. But, I watched some of it, and you have to give it to them for playing good baseball.

I saw Matsuzaka set up purposefully with inside pitches on several occasions, to work a strikeout, and induce a pop out. Throwing in the 90’s for most pitches. Can’t fake skill and experience.

South Korea will have its day…soon. Damn Ichiro Suzuki, condescending, racist Japanese supremacist garbadge. Age soon, accumulate injuries, and retire.

By: baduk

baduk — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:03:46 +0000

wjk,

Yes, MS Chemistry at StonyBrook. I have not worked in research arena, but in an applied science, environmental testing and cleanup.

Cold fusion guys were not imprisoned. However, they are discredited so much that no journal will accept any of their works, even if they are not related to “cold fusion”.

By: michael

michael — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:52:12 +0000

I heard a rumor that Hwang will be back in action (probably not at SNU) before too long. Hope not though, that would really hurt the credibility of the scientific community in Korea.

By: judge judy

judge judy — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:43:07 +0000

criminal charges should definitely be brought against hwang and his cronies for the devastation they have done to the korean scientific community. that could help everyone to move past this whole debacle and restore at least a modicum of respect to the governing authorities. however, i doubt that will come to pass.

unfortunately, the shame that hwang faces in korea does not translate well outside of the country, and his firing is seen as a mere slap on the wrist in most advanced scientific communities. criminal charges are really the only way to show the rest of the world that korea will not stand for such utterly tragic bullshit.

in the same vein, the enron boys should be strung up by their balls. literally. strung up and left to castrate in full public view. however, i doubt that they will have to pay for their thievery and deception either.

By: wjk

wjk — Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:34:33 +0000

Baduk, just curious, are you a US scientist? Just wondering, does the US put those cold fusion guys in jail?

By: 조엘

조엘 — Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:53:21 +0000

Anything to push the baseball post farther down the screen.

By: baduk

baduk — Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:50:19 +0000

I actually believe this is the exact reason why these “scientists” lie. There is no victim, they are quick to point out. Some go as far as to say that these “exaggerations” or “unintentional misunderstandings” do bring in more research money into crucial area(translation, their pockets) of modern scientific advances.

People, after a while, say these scientists have suffered enough for their scientific zeal (translation, ego) and should be forgiven.

I am a scientist. I differ from general public. I know how dirty squandrels like Hwang actually aimed for this outcome when they fudged data(translation, pulled the numbers out of a hat, “eleven stem cell lines to match exact patients’ DNA”, MY FOOT!). They know the general public will let them go eventually.

F*** ‘em. Get Hwang and his team. And, everyone who even remotely lied for him. There are many, including other laboratory members who “fixed” data for him. Get all of them.

And, send them to jail. For ten years or more, for spending tax money in the hotel parties, sightseeing tours and bribes to officials which includes Nobel prize committee members. I even believe some tax money has been spent on buying prostitutes.

Scientists should be held in a higher moral standard, and suffer the ire of public in all of its fury.