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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30334</link>
		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon wrote:
&lt;b&gt;I hope you’ll note that I did not advance any argument that trade barriers were the primary cause of Detroit’s woes in Korea.&lt;/b&gt;

To set the record straight, that's not exactly what I was thinking. When you wrote...&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. will want Korea to amend its engine-displacement tax regime in favor of something based on efficiency (MPG) of the engine instead, so that U.S. cars are not discriminated against.&lt;/blockquote&gt;... I was wondering if you felt that &lt;i&gt;Detroit and Washington&lt;/i&gt; thought the barriers were the primary cause of Detroit's woes. 

But I also wanted to know what is it about switching from engine displacement to MPG that will reduce the "barriers" in any way? I think MPG-related car fees might now be a more appropriate way to encourage economical car purchases than engine displacement size, but aren't all cars (including Korean) subject to this? How is it a barrier to American cars (or foreign cars) specifically? Is this a red herring on Detroit/Washington's part?

It just seems to me that Washington would be wasting a lot of political capital for very little gain by trying to get Korea to change its entire car user fee scheme just for an FTA. Should California be forced to drop some of its environment-related car regulations for that same FTA?

By the way, I know everyone is down on Detroit quality, but for certain classes of vehicle, especially large ones, isn't Detroit pretty good at making quality vehicles? There are some types of vehicle where the American ones are the best (right?), especially workhorse vehicles. Reducing the barriers, though, won't change much if Ford, Chrysler, and GM don't feel there's enough of a market for a Suburban to justify importing them and putting them up in expensive show rooms. 

Anyway, I'd also like someone more knowledgeable about this issue to give a rundown on what the barriers are to foreign vehicles right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon wrote:<br />
<b>I hope you’ll note that I did not advance any argument that trade barriers were the primary cause of Detroit’s woes in Korea.</b></p>
<p>To set the record straight, that&#8217;s not exactly what I was thinking. When you wrote&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>The U.S. will want Korea to amend its engine-displacement tax regime in favor of something based on efficiency (MPG) of the engine instead, so that U.S. cars are not discriminated against.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; I was wondering if you felt that <i>Detroit and Washington</i> thought the barriers were the primary cause of Detroit&#8217;s woes. </p>
<p>But I also wanted to know what is it about switching from engine displacement to MPG that will reduce the &#8220;barriers&#8221; in any way? I think MPG-related car fees might now be a more appropriate way to encourage economical car purchases than engine displacement size, but aren&#8217;t all cars (including Korean) subject to this? How is it a barrier to American cars (or foreign cars) specifically? Is this a red herring on Detroit/Washington&#8217;s part?</p>
<p>It just seems to me that Washington would be wasting a lot of political capital for very little gain by trying to get Korea to change its entire car user fee scheme just for an FTA. Should California be forced to drop some of its environment-related car regulations for that same FTA?</p>
<p>By the way, I know everyone is down on Detroit quality, but for certain classes of vehicle, especially large ones, isn&#8217;t Detroit pretty good at making quality vehicles? There are some types of vehicle where the American ones are the best (right?), especially workhorse vehicles. Reducing the barriers, though, won&#8217;t change much if Ford, Chrysler, and GM don&#8217;t feel there&#8217;s enough of a market for a Suburban to justify importing them and putting them up in expensive show rooms. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;d also like someone more knowledgeable about this issue to give a rundown on what the barriers are to foreign vehicles right now.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30333</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the entire point of the quote from the Time article--U.S. automakers have been putting out product that sucks. In Korea, people know this and avoid them. Even if there were no trade barriers at all, the situation would probably be the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the entire point of the quote from the Time article&#8211;U.S. automakers have been putting out product that sucks. In Korea, people know this and avoid them. Even if there were no trade barriers at all, the situation would probably be the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30332</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Once I know the relevant data, it would be easier to support or refute the idea that trade barriers are the primary cause of Detroit’s woes (if the woes really exist) in Korea.

Anyway, I’m really curious if changing from engine displacement to gas mileage would make a difference in how well Detroit does here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hope you'll note that I did not advance any argument that trade barriers were the primary cause of Detroit's woes in Korea. My opinion is the cars tend to suck, and Korean consumers are less likely to pay a high price for a sucky American automobile with no brand cachet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Once I know the relevant data, it would be easier to support or refute the idea that trade barriers are the primary cause of Detroit’s woes (if the woes really exist) in Korea.</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m really curious if changing from engine displacement to gas mileage would make a difference in how well Detroit does here.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll note that I did not advance any argument that trade barriers were the primary cause of Detroit&#8217;s woes in Korea. My opinion is the cars tend to suck, and Korean consumers are less likely to pay a high price for a sucky American automobile with no brand cachet.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30330</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Bushie once said: "I refuse to be sucked into your hypnotheoretical arguments."  :)
 
Ideologically speaking I'm roughly at the opposite end of the spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Bushie once said: &#8220;I refuse to be sucked into your hypnotheoretical arguments.&#8221;  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ideologically speaking I&#8217;m roughly at the opposite end of the spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: jyce</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30329</link>
		<dc:creator>jyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's nice to hear Mike. I was beginning to think that you were one of the nutburgers in here who only dislikes Bush because he &lt;i&gt;prefers&lt;/i&gt; Pat Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s nice to hear Mike. I was beginning to think that you were one of the nutburgers in here who only dislikes Bush because he <i>prefers</i> Pat Buchanan.</p>
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		<title>By: thorin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30328</link>
		<dc:creator>thorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn't make much sense to talk about cars as being "American", "Japanese" or "Korean" anymore when, for example, GM owns (or owned) a 21% stake in Suzuki at the same time that Suzuki owns a 11% stake in GM Daewoo.

GM raising cash:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/business/worldbusiness/07suzuki.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t make much sense to talk about cars as being &#8220;American&#8221;, &#8220;Japanese&#8221; or &#8220;Korean&#8221; anymore when, for example, GM owns (or owned) a 21% stake in Suzuki at the same time that Suzuki owns a 11% stake in GM Daewoo.</p>
<p>GM raising cash:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/business/worldbusiness/07suzuki.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03.....uzuki.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30324</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jyce--hell, I didn't look at anything else on "freerepublic," it was a literally "free" link because Time charges for archive stuff. I didn't mean to offend any towelheads out there  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jyce&#8211;hell, I didn&#8217;t look at anything else on &#8220;freerepublic,&#8221; it was a literally &#8220;free&#8221; link because Time charges for archive stuff. I didn&#8217;t mean to offend any towelheads out there  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: KimCity2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimCity2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US automakers may not do well in Korea, but American made Japanese cars will do. That is still beneficial to both US factory workers and Korean consumers (and Japanese automakers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US automakers may not do well in Korea, but American made Japanese cars will do. That is still beneficial to both US factory workers and Korean consumers (and Japanese automakers).</p>
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		<title>By: luxbearer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/06/us-to-make-serious-demands-during-fta-talks/#comment-30317</link>
		<dc:creator>luxbearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gbnhj said:

"I think that these vehicles are viewed as being more exotic than high-quality vehicles manufactured in the US"

high-quality vehicles like the GM suvs that knock?
GM brought its high quality processes here in Korea. &lt;a href="http://service.joins.com/asp/print_article_english.asp?aid=2684077&#38;esectcode=e_eco&#38;title=GM Daewoo recalls compacts, sedans" rel="nofollow"&gt;You must have heard of the recall of Lacettis?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gbnhj said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that these vehicles are viewed as being more exotic than high-quality vehicles manufactured in the US&#8221;</p>
<p>high-quality vehicles like the GM suvs that knock?<br />
GM brought its high quality processes here in Korea. <a href="http://service.joins.com/asp/print_article_english.asp?aid=2684077&amp;esectcode=e_eco&amp;title=GM Daewoo recalls compacts, sedans" rel="nofollow">You must have heard of the recall of Lacettis?</a></p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I don't want to argue based on suppositions; I want facts: it &lt;i&gt;seems&lt;/i&gt; American cars are being overtaken by German and Japanese makers, and even the Swedish, but I could be wrong. 

Once I know the relevant data, it would be easier to support or refute the idea that trade barriers are the primary cause of Detroit's woes (if the woes really exist) in Korea.

Anyway, I'm really curious if changing from engine displacement to gas mileage would make a difference in how well Detroit does here.

And come to think of it, since big Korean cars are also subject to the engine displacement regulations (right?), then why should Korea be expected to change that entire system just because the US wants it? Is that really a necessary part of an FTA?

Asking, not speaking rhetorically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I don&#8217;t want to argue based on suppositions; I want facts: it <i>seems</i> American cars are being overtaken by German and Japanese makers, and even the Swedish, but I could be wrong. </p>
<p>Once I know the relevant data, it would be easier to support or refute the idea that trade barriers are the primary cause of Detroit&#8217;s woes (if the woes really exist) in Korea.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m really curious if changing from engine displacement to gas mileage would make a difference in how well Detroit does here.</p>
<p>And come to think of it, since big Korean cars are also subject to the engine displacement regulations (right?), then why should Korea be expected to change that entire system just because the US wants it? Is that really a necessary part of an FTA?</p>
<p>Asking, not speaking rhetorically.</p>
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