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		<title>By: Zhang Fei</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30325</link>
		<dc:creator>Zhang Fei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japanese hostility towards China shouldn't really be a surprise - China has spent a lot of time beating up on Japan over territorial issues - among other things, it claims the entire South China Sea as Chinese territorial waters. China is also the power that may have provided a lot of North Korea's missile and nuclear weapons capability. North Korea sides with China, and South Korea recently said that it is moving towards siding with China. When you have a country that is increasingly the target of belligerent rhetoric from its neighbors, you can expect a backlash. Note that anti-Japanese demonstrations in Korea and China are usually violent. Japanese nationals have been beaten up in China and property has been damaged or destroyed (with the collaboration of Chinese security forces, who never allow this kind of thing to happen with much larger groups of Falungong demonstrators), including Japanese consulates. The fact is that China and North Korea are hostile nuclear powers, and South Korea is a hostile non-nuclear power. And they are all within jet fighter range of Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japanese hostility towards China shouldn&#8217;t really be a surprise - China has spent a lot of time beating up on Japan over territorial issues - among other things, it claims the entire South China Sea as Chinese territorial waters. China is also the power that may have provided a lot of North Korea&#8217;s missile and nuclear weapons capability. North Korea sides with China, and South Korea recently said that it is moving towards siding with China. When you have a country that is increasingly the target of belligerent rhetoric from its neighbors, you can expect a backlash. Note that anti-Japanese demonstrations in Korea and China are usually violent. Japanese nationals have been beaten up in China and property has been damaged or destroyed (with the collaboration of Chinese security forces, who never allow this kind of thing to happen with much larger groups of Falungong demonstrators), including Japanese consulates. The fact is that China and North Korea are hostile nuclear powers, and South Korea is a hostile non-nuclear power. And they are all within jet fighter range of Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30267</link>
		<dc:creator>hardyandtiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A survey Japan Youth Research Institute suggests that even fewer Japanese high school kids like China and South Korea than Chinese and South Korean high school kids like Japan, with Japanese students being particularly down on China.


Ooof....breeding, like dogs, but worse, like people who are bred to not think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A survey Japan Youth Research Institute suggests that even fewer Japanese high school kids like China and South Korea than Chinese and South Korean high school kids like Japan, with Japanese students being particularly down on China.</p>
<p>Ooof&#8230;.breeding, like dogs, but worse, like people who are bred to not think.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30243</link>
		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess I missed that. I'm so used to seeing some of the regular commenters on a couple of the blogs you frequent calling me a Japan basher, I didn't recognize the one time it was meant ironically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess I missed that. I&#8217;m so used to seeing some of the regular commenters on a couple of the blogs you frequent calling me a Japan basher, I didn&#8217;t recognize the one time it was meant ironically.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30233</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, I was talking sarcastically. You took that glib comment way too seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, I was talking sarcastically. You took that glib comment way too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30210</link>
		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 03:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, Curzon. Criticizing the disagreeable politics of the leadership in some country is not the same as bashing that country. By that logic, I would be anti-Korean as well.

And no, having voluntarily visted Japan many times, having Japanese relatives, having learned (but sadly, mostly forgotten) Japanese language, having been engaged to someone from Japan, having minored in Japanese Studies, and professing a strong liking of Japan, is not the equivalent of an American bigot saying, "Actually, I have Black friends."

For those of you in Rio Linda, Koizumi/Yasukuni criticism =/= Japan bashing. You'd need a lot more than that for it to be Japan bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, Curzon. Criticizing the disagreeable politics of the leadership in some country is not the same as bashing that country. By that logic, I would be anti-Korean as well.</p>
<p>And no, having voluntarily visted Japan many times, having Japanese relatives, having learned (but sadly, mostly forgotten) Japanese language, having been engaged to someone from Japan, having minored in Japanese Studies, and professing a strong liking of Japan, is not the equivalent of an American bigot saying, &#8220;Actually, I have Black friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those of you in Rio Linda, Koizumi/Yasukuni criticism =/= Japan bashing. You&#8217;d need a lot more than that for it to be Japan bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30209</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you Japan bashers really need to understand that claiming to like Japan and have relatives there is not the same as liking Japan.  Like the American bigot who says, "Actually, I have black friends!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you Japan bashers really need to understand that claiming to like Japan and have relatives there is not the same as liking Japan.  Like the American bigot who says, &#8220;Actually, I have black friends!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30208</link>
		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kushibo: I am familiar enough with your thoughts on Japan that I -doubt- do not believe your assertion that the previous comment was sarcasm.&lt;/b&gt;

My thoughts on "Japan"? Oh, you Japanphiles really need to understand that criticism of Japan's right-wing politicos is not the same as disliking Japan. 

But go for it. Quote me. Don't paraphrase something I've written; quote me and show my negative views toward Japan that are not actually just criticisms of right-wing Japanese policies or politicos.

I happen to like Japan very much. I have relatives there, I have visited it many, many times, and I hope, after getting my PhD, to spend some time doing research and/or teaching there. Don't impugn my liking of Japan just because you have deemed by point of view about Japan's far-right to be "anti-Japan."

By the way, the wordiness of the "walking while looking non-Japanese Asian" was, I thought, a giveaway that I was being sarcastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kushibo: I am familiar enough with your thoughts on Japan that I -doubt- do not believe your assertion that the previous comment was sarcasm.</b></p>
<p>My thoughts on &#8220;Japan&#8221;? Oh, you Japanphiles really need to understand that criticism of Japan&#8217;s right-wing politicos is not the same as disliking Japan. </p>
<p>But go for it. Quote me. Don&#8217;t paraphrase something I&#8217;ve written; quote me and show my negative views toward Japan that are not actually just criticisms of right-wing Japanese policies or politicos.</p>
<p>I happen to like Japan very much. I have relatives there, I have visited it many, many times, and I hope, after getting my PhD, to spend some time doing research and/or teaching there. Don&#8217;t impugn my liking of Japan just because you have deemed by point of view about Japan&#8217;s far-right to be &#8220;anti-Japan.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, the wordiness of the &#8220;walking while looking non-Japanese Asian&#8221; was, I thought, a giveaway that I was being sarcastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/03/04/enough-hate-to-go-around/#comment-30203</link>
		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo: I am familiar enough with your thoughts on Japan that I -doubt- do not believe your assertion that the previous comment was sarcasm.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Didn’t the woman in question say she was Japanese? Why, if your naturalized Japanese buddies are given a green light to leave at that point, was she not?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The arrested woman was half Japanese who obtained her citizenship by birth, she does not live in Japan and she does not speak Japanese.  Imagine the following back and forth: 

Police: Show me your foreigner registration card.
Woman: (Broken Japanese) I am Japanese.  
Police: Oh really?  
Woman: ...
Police: Do you have any form of ID on you? 
Woman: ...
Police: Do you understand what I'm saying?  
Woman: ...
Police: If you're Japanese why don't you speak Japanese?
Woman: ...

If illegal immigrants who didn't speak Japanese and who could get out of all police checks by just learning, "I'm Japanese!" we'd have a mess on our hands.  If the woman could knew enough to say, "I was born and raised in India but I'm a Japanese citizen" she never would have had this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo: I am familiar enough with your thoughts on Japan that I -doubt- do not believe your assertion that the previous comment was sarcasm.</p>
<blockquote><p>Didn’t the woman in question say she was Japanese? Why, if your naturalized Japanese buddies are given a green light to leave at that point, was she not?</p></blockquote>
<p>The arrested woman was half Japanese who obtained her citizenship by birth, she does not live in Japan and she does not speak Japanese.  Imagine the following back and forth: </p>
<p>Police: Show me your foreigner registration card.<br />
Woman: (Broken Japanese) I am Japanese.<br />
Police: Oh really?<br />
Woman: &#8230;<br />
Police: Do you have any form of ID on you?<br />
Woman: &#8230;<br />
Police: Do you understand what I&#8217;m saying?<br />
Woman: &#8230;<br />
Police: If you&#8217;re Japanese why don&#8217;t you speak Japanese?<br />
Woman: &#8230;</p>
<p>If illegal immigrants who didn&#8217;t speak Japanese and who could get out of all police checks by just learning, &#8220;I&#8217;m Japanese!&#8221; we&#8217;d have a mess on our hands.  If the woman could knew enough to say, &#8220;I was born and raised in India but I&#8217;m a Japanese citizen&#8221; she never would have had this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curzon, I'm not talking nonsense; I was talking sarcastically. You took that glib comment way too seriously. 

This was, it appears, a rare and exceptional case. 

But your "defense" of the situation has piqued my interest in this now.

So you are stopped an average of less than once a year? No one in my closest circle of international residents has ever been stopped and asked to show their documents (in fact, many don't carry them at all, which is a foolish no-no, just in case something unexpected does happen). None of the people from South or Southeast Asia that I know—and that is admittedly not a lot of people—has told me of such incidents, and it has come up in discussion.

Didn't the woman in question say she was Japanese? Why, if your naturalized Japanese buddies are given a green light to leave at that point, was she not?

Anyway, I think this is being made into a big deal perhaps BECAUSE it is such a rare and unusual case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curzon, I&#8217;m not talking nonsense; I was talking sarcastically. You took that glib comment way too seriously. </p>
<p>This was, it appears, a rare and exceptional case. </p>
<p>But your &#8220;defense&#8221; of the situation has piqued my interest in this now.</p>
<p>So you are stopped an average of less than once a year? No one in my closest circle of international residents has ever been stopped and asked to show their documents (in fact, many don&#8217;t carry them at all, which is a foolish no-no, just in case something unexpected does happen). None of the people from South or Southeast Asia that I know—and that is admittedly not a lot of people—has told me of such incidents, and it has come up in discussion.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the woman in question say she was Japanese? Why, if your naturalized Japanese buddies are given a green light to leave at that point, was she not?</p>
<p>Anyway, I think this is being made into a big deal perhaps BECAUSE it is such a rare and unusual case.</p>
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		<title>By: Curzon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 01:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, you're talking  nonsense.  &lt;a href="http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=190" rel="nofollow"&gt;Matt said it best&lt;/a&gt; -- the woman was detained after she refused to answer ANY of the police questions.  You have a right to remain silent after you've been arraigned by the police and are a suspect in a crime.  But refusing to answer any questions to police when you're just being asked questions and you're just asking yourself to get detained.  

In all my years in Japan I've been "stopped" by police on average less than once a year, all while riding my bicycle.  Each time I've answered police questions politely and they let me go within minutes.  According to the law, police are allowed to see the foreigner registration card from non-nationals (upon showing their identification).  I know naturalized Japanese citizens who have been stopped after taking Japanese citizenship.  The procedure is remarkably simple: "I don't have a card, I'm a Japanese citizen."  End of story.  

If a Japanese citizen who does not look ethnically Japanese and "pretends" to not know Japanese, they get exactly what's coming to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, you&#8217;re talking  nonsense.  <a href="http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=190" rel="nofollow">Matt said it best</a> &#8212; the woman was detained after she refused to answer ANY of the police questions.  You have a right to remain silent after you&#8217;ve been arraigned by the police and are a suspect in a crime.  But refusing to answer any questions to police when you&#8217;re just being asked questions and you&#8217;re just asking yourself to get detained.  </p>
<p>In all my years in Japan I&#8217;ve been &#8220;stopped&#8221; by police on average less than once a year, all while riding my bicycle.  Each time I&#8217;ve answered police questions politely and they let me go within minutes.  According to the law, police are allowed to see the foreigner registration card from non-nationals (upon showing their identification).  I know naturalized Japanese citizens who have been stopped after taking Japanese citizenship.  The procedure is remarkably simple: &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a card, I&#8217;m a Japanese citizen.&#8221;  End of story.  </p>
<p>If a Japanese citizen who does not look ethnically Japanese and &#8220;pretends&#8221; to not know Japanese, they get exactly what&#8217;s coming to them.</p>
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