According to this site, Ulleungdo has only about 54 clear days a year, but the site does not say how many of those 54 days are clear enough to see Dokdo, which is 92 kilometers away. By the way, did you happen to see Dokdo on the crystal-clear day you passed over Ulleungdo?

The Korean claim is that since Dokdo can be seen from Ulleungdo, Koreans would have most certainly known about Dokdo before 1905, which is when Japan officially claimed Dokdo/Takeshima as Japanese territory. Well, let’s consider that claim for a moment.

First of all, there is no Korean map before 1905 that shows Dokdo. Koreans point to what look like coloring-book maps and say that an island on those maps is supposed to be Dokdo, but there are no latitude or longitude lines, no bearings or distances, no name of “Dokdo,” or any other way to know if the maps are referring to Dokdo, to Ulleungdo, or to one of the two small islands around Ulleungdo.

Second, even if Dokdo can be seen with the naked eye from Ulleungdo on a cystal-clear day, that does not mean that any Korean before 1905 saw Dokdo from Ulleungdo. There is no pre-1905 record of Koreans seeing Dokdo from Ulleungdo. On the contrary, there is a 1882 record saying that a Korean official climbed to the top of the hightest peak on Ulleungdo on a clear day and could not see any surrounding islands.

Third, even if Dokdo can be seen from Ulleungdo, one would have to climb up one of the mountains on the island to see it since it is impossible to see 92 kilometers away at sea level.

Fourth, before 1905, there were probably only a hand-full of Koreans living on Ulleungdo at any one time since Korea’s “vacant-island” policy kept Koreans away from Ulleungdo much of the time before 1905. So even if Dokdo could be seen from Ulleungdo, there is the question of how many of those hand-full of Koreans visiting the island had the time, the energy, and the desire to climb up to the top of one of Ulleungdo’s mountains on a crystal-clear day and look for a small island on the horizon?

I have only seen two pictures showing Dokdo from Ulleungdo. One of those obviously used a zoom-len to take the picture, but I am not sure about the other. It seems strange that I have only found two such pictures on the Internet, considering that there are now about 10,000 people living on Ulleungdo, not to mention all the tourists who regularly visit. There is a sign on one of the mountaintop observation points that points in the direction of Dokdo, so I wonder why there are not more Internet pictures taken of the islets from Ulleungdo?

I wish I could afford to camp out on top of one of Ulleungdo’s mountains for a year or so, in the hope of catching a glimpse of Dokdo from Ulleungdo. Maybe then my mind could finally be at ease.

Your comparing me to Hwang, by the way, is an excellent distraction. I think I’ll check myself into a hospital for fatigue!

As opposed to a pathetic accuser. (ba dum dum)

Let’s see…you have my personal denial; no smoking gun involving ISPs or anything exists; and the Marmot had based his “mizperception” solely on a personal exchange with me in which I was as usual trying to be funny.

My advice: when good-natured, civil banter deteriorates into character defamation and name-calling, it’s generally good to reassess if it’s worth the energy you’re putting into it.

Before you explained it’s just something you do sometimes, I was wondering what was up with that. Kushido is, iirc, a Japanese martial art. I always wondered why you were referring to me as that. Kushibo, on the other hand, is a Japanese fabric.

JYCE wrote:
Doggie, what’s even sadder than your lame attempt at a comeback is how desperately you wanted to believe that Mizarv was real.

You haven’t been winning any bouts lately so it’s no surprise that you’re lashing out.

JYCE, I mean this in the nicest way: resist the urge to gloat.

To answer your question, though, I have not yet been to Ull?ngdo, but I would like to go (though not for any reason related to Tokto; from pictures it appears quite striking). I’ve heard there’s a risk in going there that you might get stuck there for a few days due to bad weather.

But one thing is for sure, if you do go there when the weather is not clear and you canNOT see Tokto, that does NOT mean that Tokto is not at all visible from Ull?ngdo. You might contend that the weather around Ull?ngdo is always like that, which would prove your point, but I have in fact seen Ull?ngdo from an airplane, headed for T?ky?, on a crystal clear day, so I know such weather there exists, even if I don’t end up seeing such clear weather when I eventually visit.

You haven’t been winning any bouts lately so it’s no surprise that you’re lashing out.