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	<title>Comments on: U.S. ambassador to say sorry for calling North mean names: Hani</title>
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		<title>By: Pyotr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28119</link>
		<dc:creator>Pyotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely exporting counterfeit "greenbacks" is significantly less criminal than exporting counterfeit wars. 

Vershbow was simply caught out for his hypocrisy.

You know, some consider the New York Times an embarrassment to America.



Who? Why?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely exporting counterfeit &#8220;greenbacks&#8221; is significantly less criminal than exporting counterfeit wars. </p>
<p>Vershbow was simply caught out for his hypocrisy.</p>
<p>You know, some consider the New York Times an embarrassment to America.</p>
<p>Who? Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28118</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oranckay, it's not an "extreme" to call the North a criminal regime, and it's not name calling. It's a factual description. "Outposts of tyranny," "axis of evil"--that is bullshit rhetoric, but now the administration is pinpointing true lawlessness. Vershbow's comments, along with the Congress passing the N.K. Human Rights Act and the EU's UN resolutions on the same, are all reasonable, concrete steps toward reining in the North. Also, if you pay attention you'll notice that it's consistently the North that is "ruining the talks."

And Yangban, you look like a million bucks in that suit :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oranckay, it&#8217;s not an &#8220;extreme&#8221; to call the North a criminal regime, and it&#8217;s not name calling. It&#8217;s a factual description. &#8220;Outposts of tyranny,&#8221; &#8220;axis of evil&#8221;&#8211;that is bullshit rhetoric, but now the administration is pinpointing true lawlessness. Vershbow&#8217;s comments, along with the Congress passing the N.K. Human Rights Act and the EU&#8217;s UN resolutions on the same, are all reasonable, concrete steps toward reining in the North. Also, if you pay attention you&#8217;ll notice that it&#8217;s consistently the North that is &#8220;ruining the talks.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Yangban, you look like a million bucks in that suit <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28117</link>
		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He said "I will not repeat it. I will not retract it."

Makes sense but... why the heck not repeat it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said &#8220;I will not repeat it. I will not retract it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Makes sense but&#8230; why the heck not repeat it?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28116</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vershbow will not issue an apology.  I was able to talk to him for a few seconds this evening.  He said "I will not repeat it.  I will not retract it."

I take that to mean that an apology is right out and any kind explanation would only come in reply to a direct question.  Even then, I suspect that he will decline to elaborate.

BTW, click here if you want to see me in a suit. I look sharp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vershbow will not issue an apology.  I was able to talk to him for a few seconds this evening.  He said &#8220;I will not repeat it.  I will not retract it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take that to mean that an apology is right out and any kind explanation would only come in reply to a direct question.  Even then, I suspect that he will decline to elaborate.</p>
<p>BTW, click here if you want to see me in a suit. I look sharp.</p>
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		<title>By: Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vershbow should start off by pulling out a big, fat Webster’s dictionary and reading the definitions of “criminal,” “regime,” “counterfeiting,” and “apologist.” He should then say something about his deep regret that some apologists didn’t seem to understand that state sponsored counterfeiting (which is what his original comments were in regard to) amounts to a criminal regime. 

Ok, we all know that’s not going to happen. But his statement should only be a clarification, with perhaps some regret that it was misunderstood by some, not an apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vershbow should start off by pulling out a big, fat Webster’s dictionary and reading the definitions of “criminal,” “regime,” “counterfeiting,” and “apologist.” He should then say something about his deep regret that some apologists didn’t seem to understand that state sponsored counterfeiting (which is what his original comments were in regard to) amounts to a criminal regime. </p>
<p>Ok, we all know that’s not going to happen. But his statement should only be a clarification, with perhaps some regret that it was misunderstood by some, not an apology.</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28114</link>
		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shakuhachi,

How about "you're counterfeiting our money, we consider it a threat to our economic security, it has to stop before we get anywhere about closer relations, and here's the evidence so get to the table so we can show it to your face."

Repeating that, instead of "it's a criminal regime and that's what it is and so there!" might be a better approach with the North or it might not, but at the very least it would look more productive, whereas the name-calling absolutely guarantees no progress is made. A police negotiator doesn't call a hostage-taker mean names while the situation is still developing, though the names may be accurate and using them might be gratifying.

Pls read again. Perhaps I should've been more clear. Not "middle ground" on the issue, but plenty of room inbetween the extremes when it comes to approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shakuhachi,</p>
<p>How about &#8220;you&#8217;re counterfeiting our money, we consider it a threat to our economic security, it has to stop before we get anywhere about closer relations, and here&#8217;s the evidence so get to the table so we can show it to your face.&#8221;</p>
<p>Repeating that, instead of &#8220;it&#8217;s a criminal regime and that&#8217;s what it is and so there!&#8221; might be a better approach with the North or it might not, but at the very least it would look more productive, whereas the name-calling absolutely guarantees no progress is made. A police negotiator doesn&#8217;t call a hostage-taker mean names while the situation is still developing, though the names may be accurate and using them might be gratifying.</p>
<p>Pls read again. Perhaps I should&#8217;ve been more clear. Not &#8220;middle ground&#8221; on the issue, but plenty of room inbetween the extremes when it comes to approach.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree, oranckay. 

We arent talking about differences in ideology, but criminal counterfeiting. What kind of 'middle ground' could there be on that issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree, oranckay. </p>
<p>We arent talking about differences in ideology, but criminal counterfeiting. What kind of &#8216;middle ground&#8217; could there be on that issue?</p>
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		<title>By: oranckay</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28112</link>
		<dc:creator>oranckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether he was right or wrong has little to do with it. 

It was a bad move strategically, making it clear for all to see that the Bush Administration want to run the six party talks aground. 

Whether the six party talks are useful or not is also irrelevant. 

It was a bad move strategically, making the US the party that was ruining the talks.

In other words, if he actually does "express regret," as they say, over the comments, it easily might not be because he's "sorry" or has changed his mind. I myself hope it's some vast neocon conspiracy to act like North Korea, getting all venomous and then suddenly being nice and ready to negotiate. 

There is SO MUCH middle ground between (1) going so far out of your way to keep from offending NK that you surrender some of your principles and (2) deliberately trying to piss NK off in order to stand by your principles. It's like a no-man's-land between the two extremes, and most people seem to lack the courage to venture there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether he was right or wrong has little to do with it. </p>
<p>It was a bad move strategically, making it clear for all to see that the Bush Administration want to run the six party talks aground. </p>
<p>Whether the six party talks are useful or not is also irrelevant. </p>
<p>It was a bad move strategically, making the US the party that was ruining the talks.</p>
<p>In other words, if he actually does &#8220;express regret,&#8221; as they say, over the comments, it easily might not be because he&#8217;s &#8220;sorry&#8221; or has changed his mind. I myself hope it&#8217;s some vast neocon conspiracy to act like North Korea, getting all venomous and then suddenly being nice and ready to negotiate. </p>
<p>There is SO MUCH middle ground between (1) going so far out of your way to keep from offending NK that you surrender some of your principles and (2) deliberately trying to piss NK off in order to stand by your principles. It&#8217;s like a no-man&#8217;s-land between the two extremes, and most people seem to lack the courage to venture there.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmm....</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 02:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i guess he's not going to apologize. so much for that news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i guess he&#8217;s not going to apologize. so much for that news.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/01/09/us-ambassador-to-say-sorry-for-calling-north-mean-names-hani/#comment-28110</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An explanation - why not, for those that still don't get it.  But an apology for speaking the truth and mirroring what the U.S. administration has been saying and thinking all along?  God, I hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An explanation - why not, for those that still don&#8217;t get it.  But an apology for speaking the truth and mirroring what the U.S. administration has been saying and thinking all along?  God, I hope not.</p>
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