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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27492</link>
		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like they were all basking in past glory!.. But wait a minute!!... All of these quoted as "Mad Scientists at Work"...including Drs. Wilmut, Schatten, Hwang... Was all their research fake??..Hard to believe!!.. Ain't it?? Would somebody also question Schatten about his first created transgenic monkey (non-human primate) ANDi, if it is REAL??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like they were all basking in past glory!.. But wait a minute!!&#8230; All of these quoted as &#8220;Mad Scientists at Work&#8221;&#8230;including Drs. Wilmut, Schatten, Hwang&#8230; Was all their research fake??..Hard to believe!!.. Ain&#8217;t it?? Would somebody also question Schatten about his first created transgenic monkey (non-human primate) ANDi, if it is REAL??</p>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27491</link>
		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love the blast from the past.  it embodies everything wrong with attempts to veneer logical achievements with genetic superiority.  total retardation, most especially coming from  "a deputy managing editor" of a major newspaper.  myopic journalism at its best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the blast from the past.  it embodies everything wrong with attempts to veneer logical achievements with genetic superiority.  total retardation, most especially coming from  &#8220;a deputy managing editor&#8221; of a major newspaper.  myopic journalism at its best!</p>
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		<title>By: Daehan Miguk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27490</link>
		<dc:creator>Daehan Miguk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Our deftness in using computers or mobile phones and even online games..." Priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our deftness in using computers or mobile phones and even online games&#8230;&#8221; Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27489</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Useless Tree doesn't make a very convincing case for confucianism not being a factor in the Hwang fiasco--in fact, this has all the classic traits of confucianism gone wrong in Korea: excessive veneration of a patriarch figure ("Supreme Scientist" Hwang), collective obedience over personal freedom (women researcher coerced into donating eggs), and so on. He (she?) is right that modern science's instrumentalist ethics and rationality are un-Confucian, but remember that Hwang ceaselessly harped on "Korean science," which definitely means hevy-duty confucianism (and metal chopsticks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Useless Tree doesn&#8217;t make a very convincing case for confucianism not being a factor in the Hwang fiasco&#8211;in fact, this has all the classic traits of confucianism gone wrong in Korea: excessive veneration of a patriarch figure (&#8221;Supreme Scientist&#8221; Hwang), collective obedience over personal freedom (women researcher coerced into donating eggs), and so on. He (she?) is right that modern science&#8217;s instrumentalist ethics and rationality are un-Confucian, but remember that Hwang ceaselessly harped on &#8220;Korean science,&#8221; which definitely means hevy-duty confucianism (and metal chopsticks).</p>
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		<title>By: gordsellar</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27488</link>
		<dc:creator>gordsellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligent? Hey, thanks. I'm certainly indebted to your coverage, as tiring as it might now be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligent? Hey, thanks. I&#8217;m certainly indebted to your coverage, as tiring as it might now be.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/26/your-daily-hwang-woo-suk-update/#comment-27487</link>
		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The six factors mentioned in the MunHwaIlbo are true in the US as well.  The very same factors could easily produce, and have produced, liars in the western society.

Wilmut only sent the DNA from the beaker, allegedly Dolly's mother's blood, and Dolly's for examination one year after the publication.  He sent them to a Scottish Nobel lauriat, the same nationality as him  and his choice for verification.

When the telomere papers came out suggesting that the old cells have shorter DNA lengths, Wilmut said that he examined the Dolly's DNA and that they were shorter.  Nobody else was allowed to get anywhere near Dolly.

A few years later, Jerry Yang, a Chinese immigrant scientist at Univ. of Connecticut, claimed that he cloned a cow.  For his cow the telomere lengths were the same, not any shorter than other young cows.

What is going on?  At least one of the two guys are lying.  I think the both are lying. However, no young scientists in either the US or England who can challenge these "established" liars.  They have become institutions, too big for common men to challenge.

Hwang could have survived.  Media and politicians were still behind him.  The investigation could have been fudged and rendered "inconclusive".  However, young scientists and enlightened Koreans kept at it.  Kept on digging.  They toppled Hwang's kingdom that were built on lies, fabrications and deceits.  

I wish other countries would follow the Korean example.  Get at Wilmut.  Redo verification on Wilmut's alleged cloning technique.  In the US, blow cover off Jerry Yang and the Texas A&#38;M cat cloning company.  These liars have prospered too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The six factors mentioned in the MunHwaIlbo are true in the US as well.  The very same factors could easily produce, and have produced, liars in the western society.</p>
<p>Wilmut only sent the DNA from the beaker, allegedly Dolly&#8217;s mother&#8217;s blood, and Dolly&#8217;s for examination one year after the publication.  He sent them to a Scottish Nobel lauriat, the same nationality as him  and his choice for verification.</p>
<p>When the telomere papers came out suggesting that the old cells have shorter DNA lengths, Wilmut said that he examined the Dolly&#8217;s DNA and that they were shorter.  Nobody else was allowed to get anywhere near Dolly.</p>
<p>A few years later, Jerry Yang, a Chinese immigrant scientist at Univ. of Connecticut, claimed that he cloned a cow.  For his cow the telomere lengths were the same, not any shorter than other young cows.</p>
<p>What is going on?  At least one of the two guys are lying.  I think the both are lying. However, no young scientists in either the US or England who can challenge these &#8220;established&#8221; liars.  They have become institutions, too big for common men to challenge.</p>
<p>Hwang could have survived.  Media and politicians were still behind him.  The investigation could have been fudged and rendered &#8220;inconclusive&#8221;.  However, young scientists and enlightened Koreans kept at it.  Kept on digging.  They toppled Hwang&#8217;s kingdom that were built on lies, fabrications and deceits.  </p>
<p>I wish other countries would follow the Korean example.  Get at Wilmut.  Redo verification on Wilmut&#8217;s alleged cloning technique.  In the US, blow cover off Jerry Yang and the Texas A&amp;M cat cloning company.  These liars have prospered too long.</p>
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		<title>By: The Useless Tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Useless Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Koeans, Stem Cells and Sincerity&lt;/strong&gt;

The news that Dr. Hwang Woo Suk, who appeared to be stem cell researcher extraordinaire, cheated, has cast a shadow over science generally (how could such fraud not be caught earlier?) and Korean science in particular. I have blogged
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<p>The news that Dr. Hwang Woo Suk, who appeared to be stem cell researcher extraordinaire, cheated, has cast a shadow over science generally (how could such fraud not be caught earlier?) and Korean science in particular. I have blogged</p>
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