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	<title>Comments on: N.K. apologists no friend of America: Rep. Hyde</title>
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		<title>By: shingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>shingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, 

Your language is so strong. Do you beat a person to death with your cane when they bump into you? I understood that you blame america for this problem and\or for not finding a solution. Am I wrong? You seem to write and write.. and write and write.. but anybody who reads between the lines, and lines and lines sees that you want to push blame on america.

 Fisking!! gives you great power!! I have to keep special watch on each and every word.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, </p>
<p>Your language is so strong. Do you beat a person to death with your cane when they bump into you? I understood that you blame america for this problem and\or for not finding a solution. Am I wrong? You seem to write and write.. and write and write.. but anybody who reads between the lines, and lines and lines sees that you want to push blame on america.</p>
<p> Fisking!! gives you great power!! I have to keep special watch on each and every word.</p>
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		<title>By: Mi-Hwa</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/22/nk-apologists-no-friend-of-america-rep-hyde/#comment-27298</link>
		<dc:creator>Mi-Hwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America is the mean cop with the stick, and South Korea is the nice cop with the carrot. I think it's a good idea to have a combination of both approaches, because one approach alone may not be enough to force NK to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is the mean cop with the stick, and South Korea is the nice cop with the carrot. I think it&#8217;s a good idea to have a combination of both approaches, because one approach alone may not be enough to force NK to change.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting exchange on the respectaive putative responsibility of the US and RPK for NORK refugees, but like Kushibo's original provocation, really beside the point. While the US may be faulted for not doing more for the refugees, that doesn;t make Hyde's statements about apologists for the NORKS, such as large slices of current ROKGOV, including Comrade Chung Dumb-young, not being friends of the US "hypocritical".

You may see Washington conservatives bitching about some Seoul government representatives having too friendly a relationship with Pyongyang while doing extremely little to actually help the North Koreans victimized by Pyongyang as non-hypocritical, and that's fine. 

But what I see as the problem is this: there are lots of DPRK citizens being tortured, killed, or allowed to die, or fearing for their life, both in North Korea and China, and something MUST be done about it.

But in both Washington and Seoul there are two regimes that are so ideologically driven that they are unwilling to hammer out an effective, workable compromise that would be acceptable to both.

No, instead the childish ideologues have to throw insult after insult at each other, not meeting this person, sniping at that person, etc., etc. Like two different high school cliques with some sort of grudge.

And while all this happens, more North Koreans in China get captured and sent back, more North Koreans get killed. 

Hyde's public chiding, while technically right in content, brings us one step further from where we should be, the same as Chung not meeting Lefkowitz. 

He may score political points with people already on his side, but at whose expense? Does this help us or hurt us in trying to find some way to actually help the people who need it? 

And that's why I see this as hypocritical: if he is so concerned about North Korea (and I think he is) then he should be pushing the US side to do far more than it is, while putting a lid on his public rhetoric, which would best be delivered privately, if there is any hope of its recipient actually being receptive to it.

Chung Dong-young is an asshole. I hope voters are frequently reminded of his "comrade" comment next year and the next. And I don't envy Ban Kimoon the job of having to "explain" idiotic remarks or actions from Chung or Roh. 

But let's leave it to the conservatives and moderates in Korea to dress down Chung publicly. Really, does Hyde actually think that a conservative American politician publicly rebuking a leftist politician in Korea is going to actually make that person come around? 

Like it or not, for at least the next two years, the left-wing government in Seoul and the right-wing government in Washington are stuck with each other. Do we really have to let that many more suffer because these two sides can't get their fucking act together enough to overcome ideology and see that there is enough common ground to work from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting exchange on the respectaive putative responsibility of the US and RPK for NORK refugees, but like Kushibo&#8217;s original provocation, really beside the point. While the US may be faulted for not doing more for the refugees, that doesn;t make Hyde&#8217;s statements about apologists for the NORKS, such as large slices of current ROKGOV, including Comrade Chung Dumb-young, not being friends of the US &#8220;hypocritical&#8221;.</p>
<p>You may see Washington conservatives bitching about some Seoul government representatives having too friendly a relationship with Pyongyang while doing extremely little to actually help the North Koreans victimized by Pyongyang as non-hypocritical, and that&#8217;s fine. </p>
<p>But what I see as the problem is this: there are lots of DPRK citizens being tortured, killed, or allowed to die, or fearing for their life, both in North Korea and China, and something MUST be done about it.</p>
<p>But in both Washington and Seoul there are two regimes that are so ideologically driven that they are unwilling to hammer out an effective, workable compromise that would be acceptable to both.</p>
<p>No, instead the childish ideologues have to throw insult after insult at each other, not meeting this person, sniping at that person, etc., etc. Like two different high school cliques with some sort of grudge.</p>
<p>And while all this happens, more North Koreans in China get captured and sent back, more North Koreans get killed. </p>
<p>Hyde&#8217;s public chiding, while technically right in content, brings us one step further from where we should be, the same as Chung not meeting Lefkowitz. </p>
<p>He may score political points with people already on his side, but at whose expense? Does this help us or hurt us in trying to find some way to actually help the people who need it? </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I see this as hypocritical: if he is so concerned about North Korea (and I think he is) then he should be pushing the US side to do far more than it is, while putting a lid on his public rhetoric, which would best be delivered privately, if there is any hope of its recipient actually being receptive to it.</p>
<p>Chung Dong-young is an asshole. I hope voters are frequently reminded of his &#8220;comrade&#8221; comment next year and the next. And I don&#8217;t envy Ban Kimoon the job of having to &#8220;explain&#8221; idiotic remarks or actions from Chung or Roh. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s leave it to the conservatives and moderates in Korea to dress down Chung publicly. Really, does Hyde actually think that a conservative American politician publicly rebuking a leftist politician in Korea is going to actually make that person come around? </p>
<p>Like it or not, for at least the next two years, the left-wing government in Seoul and the right-wing government in Washington are stuck with each other. Do we really have to let that many more suffer because these two sides can&#8217;t get their fucking act together enough to overcome ideology and see that there is enough common ground to work from?</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck off, Shingles. 
I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. 

Kushibo, did you forget writing this?

What are they doing on this matter? This is hypocrisy, on par with (in league with?) Roh-Chung on the matter.Calling this kind of thing hypocrisy and saying the problems being faced are "all the fault of the Americans," as 'Shingles' said I was doing, are two entirely different things.

Also, as one could easily see, I'm quite critical of the Roh-Chung axis of weasels, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck off, Shingles.<br />
I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. </p>
<p>Kushibo, did you forget writing this?</p>
<p>What are they doing on this matter? This is hypocrisy, on par with (in league with?) Roh-Chung on the matter.Calling this kind of thing hypocrisy and saying the problems being faced are &#8220;all the fault of the Americans,&#8221; as &#8216;Shingles&#8217; said I was doing, are two entirely different things.</p>
<p>Also, as one could easily see, I&#8217;m quite critical of the Roh-Chung axis of weasels, too.</p>
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		<title>By: shakuhachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shakuhachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck off, Shingles.

I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. 

Kushibo, did you forget writing this?

What are they doing on this matter? This is hypocrisy, on par with (in league with?) Roh-Chung on the matter.

Spewer is right on the mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck off, Shingles.</p>
<p>I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. </p>
<p>Kushibo, did you forget writing this?</p>
<p>What are they doing on this matter? This is hypocrisy, on par with (in league with?) Roh-Chung on the matter.</p>
<p>Spewer is right on the mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nulji often makes some cogent criticisms (seriously) but the N.K.=U.S. parallel is just his way of goading. Bush thank god will be out of office later, and the next administration will reverse (or try to anyway) the damage he's done. 

Anyway, I just saw a story that the S.K. gov't is coming around (at least Ban Ki-moon is) to acknowledge the nork counterfeiting:
&lt;a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512210025.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512210025.html&lt;/a&gt;

It's a start, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nulji often makes some cogent criticisms (seriously) but the N.K.=U.S. parallel is just his way of goading. Bush thank god will be out of office later, and the next administration will reverse (or try to anyway) the damage he&#8217;s done. </p>
<p>Anyway, I just saw a story that the S.K. gov&#8217;t is coming around (at least Ban Ki-moon is) to acknowledge the nork counterfeiting:<br />
<a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200512/200512210025.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....10025.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a start, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a suspicion the "comrade" comment will haunt Chung later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a suspicion the &#8220;comrade&#8221; comment will haunt Chung later.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roh is unable to speak ill of a military dictatorship with artillery aimed at Seoul, and Chung calls a N. Korean official "comrade." As they do do not speak out over the repression of fellow Koreans, the current S.K. gov't is morally bankrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roh is unable to speak ill of a military dictatorship with artillery aimed at Seoul, and Chung calls a N. Korean official &#8220;comrade.&#8221; As they do do not speak out over the repression of fellow Koreans, the current S.K. gov&#8217;t is morally bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck off, Shingles.

I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. 

I have said that the United States can do far more than it has been, and should make that a priority ahead of bashing others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck off, Shingles.</p>
<p>I never said any such thing and I resent the implication. </p>
<p>I have said that the United States can do far more than it has been, and should make that a priority ahead of bashing others.</p>
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		<title>By: shingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>shingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Nulji and Kushibo, its all the fault of the Americans.</description>
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