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	<title>Comments on: Schatten to get sacked: Hankyoreh</title>
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		<title>By: Wildwind</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-30126</link>
		<dc:creator>Wildwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been various articles in favor of the fact that Gerry and Hwang filed several copyright/patent applications which they claimas their intellectual property. But Dr. Schatten and his collegues clearly got the technology from Hwnag lab and had also employed some people who belonged to Hwang lab to help them in their monkey cloning business as well. So I guess, when they failed to even mention or give credit to Dr.Hwang for the techniques in their filed patents, it is purely an ethical misbehaviour, more than even scientific. Hope you got my point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been various articles in favor of the fact that Gerry and Hwang filed several copyright/patent applications which they claimas their intellectual property. But Dr. Schatten and his collegues clearly got the technology from Hwnag lab and had also employed some people who belonged to Hwang lab to help them in their monkey cloning business as well. So I guess, when they failed to even mention or give credit to Dr.Hwang for the techniques in their filed patents, it is purely an ethical misbehaviour, more than even scientific. Hope you got my point!</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-28692</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,this article does shed some light on the subject. 

"Hwang filed an application in Korea in 2003, describing the innovations that he says allowed him to produce a stem-cell line from a cloned human embryo. It follows the structure of his discredited 2004 paper in Science."

"Schatten's application, filed in the United States in April 2004, is based on his monkey work, and identifies a method of overcoming a problem he says is encountered with transfer of cell nuclei in primates. It also covers a range of possible uses, including therapies developed from stem cells produced using particular techniques."

"It is not clear how these claims will pan out. Both are based at least in part on previously established methods, says Margaret Sampson, a patent attorney at Vinson &#38; Elkins in Austin, Texas. And other groups have applied for patents on cloning technologies. 'Neither Schatten nor Hwang will probably be the undisputed holders of all rights to the technology. It's more likely that different groups will hold patents on different methods of making and using stem cells,' she says."

How is it Schatten is claimed to have "stollen a copyright from Hwang" when it was in fact for a process Hwang was not involved in - the transfer of cell nuclei in primates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,this article does shed some light on the subject. </p>
<p>&#8220;Hwang filed an application in Korea in 2003, describing the innovations that he says allowed him to produce a stem-cell line from a cloned human embryo. It follows the structure of his discredited 2004 paper in Science.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Schatten&#8217;s application, filed in the United States in April 2004, is based on his monkey work, and identifies a method of overcoming a problem he says is encountered with transfer of cell nuclei in primates. It also covers a range of possible uses, including therapies developed from stem cells produced using particular techniques.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not clear how these claims will pan out. Both are based at least in part on previously established methods, says Margaret Sampson, a patent attorney at Vinson &amp; Elkins in Austin, Texas. And other groups have applied for patents on cloning technologies. &#8216;Neither Schatten nor Hwang will probably be the undisputed holders of all rights to the technology. It&#8217;s more likely that different groups will hold patents on different methods of making and using stem cells,&#8217; she says.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is it Schatten is claimed to have &#8220;stollen a copyright from Hwang&#8221; when it was in fact for a process Hwang was not involved in - the transfer of cell nuclei in primates?</p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-27175</link>
		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to add...
http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2275
And the list is evergrowing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to add&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2275" rel="nofollow">http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2275</a><br />
And the list is evergrowing!</p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought it would be important to add what the American media have published on this and to support my argument!
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-12242005-588896.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought it would be important to add what the American media have published on this and to support my argument!<br />
<a href="http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-12242005-588896.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-.....88896.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mizar5,
So you were writing all of this without studying the process closely!.. Well, I have studied this quite closely and am sure of what I write!.. So in my view, I still stand unshaken on the issue of Schatten's weird involvement i.e., The undue credit and popularity that he got out of the papers initially and then ran away from the whole thing because he saw the trouble coming!!.. How irresponsible of him.. being a known and highly regarded scientist!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mizar5,<br />
So you were writing all of this without studying the process closely!.. Well, I have studied this quite closely and am sure of what I write!.. So in my view, I still stand unshaken on the issue of Schatten&#8217;s weird involvement i.e., The undue credit and popularity that he got out of the papers initially and then ran away from the whole thing because he saw the trouble coming!!.. How irresponsible of him.. being a known and highly regarded scientist!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-27172</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Did you also not read or feel that Schatten should have also not taken an authorship in 2005 paper??" 

It's hard to say without studying the process closely, since Schatten does run his own research facility and could have originated these processes entirely on his own. But I think the question of greater importance than who to blame for what is whether the patents of either researcher of any real value, given Hwang's record of falsified claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did you also not read or feel that Schatten should have also not taken an authorship in 2005 paper??&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to say without studying the process closely, since Schatten does run his own research facility and could have originated these processes entirely on his own. But I think the question of greater importance than who to blame for what is whether the patents of either researcher of any real value, given Hwang&#8217;s record of falsified claims.</p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-27171</link>
		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you also not read or feel that Schatten should have also not taken an authorship in 2005 paper??.. Had he done so, he would have easily taken "the high moral ground road" what he wants to follow now... Too late!!! It seems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you also not read or feel that Schatten should have also not taken an authorship in 2005 paper??.. Had he done so, he would have easily taken &#8220;the high moral ground road&#8221; what he wants to follow now&#8230; Too late!!! It seems!</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/20/schatten-to-get-sacked-hankyoreh/#comment-27170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Pitt academic review panel, "Schatten declined Hwang's offer to him of a position as co-author of the 2004 paper. Rather than Schatten trying to steal credit for himself for Hwang's work, Hwang was actively courting Schatten to win respectability for his fraudulent research. Schatten's role was strictly to act as a liason to the international scientific community.

It seems he became enamored of and ensnared by Hwang and finally agreed to an offer to co-author the 2005 paper. It was, however, largely a long-distance collaboration. Stem cell pioneer John Gearhart says that was a mistake and asserts that Hwang must have duped the University of Pittsberg with some sort of false information according to  since "University of Pittsburgh had to have given permission for Jerry to enter into that collaboration."

An Ann Arbor cell cell researcher is quoted as commenting that "If someone is trying to be duplicitous, it is really easy to be misled."  

So the indications right now are that the University of Pittsberg was duped and that Schatten either showed bad judgement or the University of Pittsberg did, but there is no indication of fraud on their part.

The patent Schatten is seeking is for a "similar procedure to Hwang's" so it is not yet clear whether Hwang deserves to be credited or not.

Right now I would still charaterize Schatten's role as questionable, hut not fraudulent.

Another notable scientists at the National Human Genome Research Institute will continue independent testing of Snuppy. Let's also wait to see what they have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Pitt academic review panel, &#8220;Schatten declined Hwang&#8217;s offer to him of a position as co-author of the 2004 paper. Rather than Schatten trying to steal credit for himself for Hwang&#8217;s work, Hwang was actively courting Schatten to win respectability for his fraudulent research. Schatten&#8217;s role was strictly to act as a liason to the international scientific community.</p>
<p>It seems he became enamored of and ensnared by Hwang and finally agreed to an offer to co-author the 2005 paper. It was, however, largely a long-distance collaboration. Stem cell pioneer John Gearhart says that was a mistake and asserts that Hwang must have duped the University of Pittsberg with some sort of false information according to  since &#8220;University of Pittsburgh had to have given permission for Jerry to enter into that collaboration.&#8221;</p>
<p>An Ann Arbor cell cell researcher is quoted as commenting that &#8220;If someone is trying to be duplicitous, it is really easy to be misled.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So the indications right now are that the University of Pittsberg was duped and that Schatten either showed bad judgement or the University of Pittsberg did, but there is no indication of fraud on their part.</p>
<p>The patent Schatten is seeking is for a &#8220;similar procedure to Hwang&#8217;s&#8221; so it is not yet clear whether Hwang deserves to be credited or not.</p>
<p>Right now I would still charaterize Schatten&#8217;s role as questionable, hut not fraudulent.</p>
<p>Another notable scientists at the National Human Genome Research Institute will continue independent testing of Snuppy. Let&#8217;s also wait to see what they have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there's more to add..to this crap!...
I think this can go on forever!...

&lt;a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_412326.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_412326.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there&#8217;s more to add..to this crap!&#8230;<br />
I think this can go on forever!&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/regional/s_412326.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/.....12326.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WildWind</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildWind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could'nt believe my eyes on this one.. but now it's all out in public!
&lt;a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/pages/pdf/ptr010706.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.pittsburghlive.com/pages/pdf/ptr010706.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
Check it out!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could&#8217;nt believe my eyes on this one.. but now it&#8217;s all out in public!<br />
<a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/pages/pdf/ptr010706.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/.....010706.pdf</a><br />
Check it out!!!</p>
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