Comments on: Dr. Hwang http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/ Korea... in Blog Format Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:04:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jim http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-27000 Jim Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:26:09 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-27000 Michael, that statistics is not the the "level of corruption", it's the perception of corruption. Two very different things. There's no real way to measure real corruption. Michael, that statistics is not the
the “level of corruption”, it’s the perception of corruption. Two very different things. There’s no real way to measure real corruption.

]]> By: Michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26999 Michael Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:58:51 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26999 The premise of the survey is a bit comical: "Have you taken part in corruption?" "Oh no, sir, heaven forbid!" From the anecdotal evidence I've heard/read, I'm not surprised that this place ranks with Italy in level of corruption: <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html</a> The premise of the survey is a bit comical: “Have you taken part in corruption?” “Oh no, sir, heaven forbid!” From the anecdotal evidence I’ve heard/read, I’m not surprised that this place ranks with Italy in level of corruption:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

]]> By: kushibo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26998 kushibo Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:51:00 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26998 Only 3.2 percent said they had taken part in corrupt activities such as taking bribes, according to the survey. I think the point of the article may be sound, but I'm a bit suspicious of the statistic. I wonder if some people are not reporting some things (e.g., bribing teachers, etc.) that they should. Only 3.2 percent said they had taken part in corrupt activities such as taking bribes, according to the survey.

I think the point of the article may be sound, but I’m a bit suspicious of the statistic. I wonder if some people are not reporting some things (e.g., bribing teachers, etc.) that they should.

]]> By: Michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26997 Michael Tue, 20 Dec 2005 05:38:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26997 Saw this mentioned on another board: ‘95% of Koreans Have Nothing to Do With Corruption’ <a href="http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200512/kt2005121817425468040.htm" rel="nofollow">http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200512/kt2005121817425468040.htm</a> Kind of sad...it sounds like the KT is trying to reassure Koreans. There's a lot of monkey business here, but it's no better or worse than most countries. Saw this mentioned on another board:

‘95% of Koreans Have Nothing to Do With Corruption’

http://times.hankooki.com/lpag.....468040.htm

Kind of sad…it sounds like the KT is trying to reassure Koreans. There’s a lot of monkey business here, but it’s no better or worse than most countries.

]]> By: Shenzhen Whitey http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26996 Shenzhen Whitey Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:34:37 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26996 From Slate.com's Explainer: 'What Happens to Bad Scientists? Lock the labs, sequester the notebooks.' <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2132541/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2132541/</a> From Slate.com’s Explainer:

‘What Happens to Bad Scientists?
Lock the labs, sequester the notebooks.’
http://www.slate.com/id/2132541/

]]> By: kushibo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26995 kushibo Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:13:57 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26995 what do you think the chances are that he'll commit suicide instead? and... But given how this thing is playing out, it wouldn't surprise me if someone connected to the mess (and not necessarily Hwang) decides to off him or herself. Shit-hits-the-fan death. (I'm making light of this only because it hasn't happened, and I certainly hope it doesn't!) what do you think the chances are that he’ll commit suicide instead?

and…

But given how this thing is playing out, it wouldn’t surprise me if someone connected to the mess (and not necessarily Hwang) decides to off him or herself.

Shit-hits-the-fan death.

(I’m making light of this only because it hasn’t happened, and I certainly hope it doesn’t!)

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26994 The Marmot Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:04:37 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26994 what do you think the chances are that he'll commit suicide instead? I hope pretty low. But given how this thing is playing out, it wouldn't surprise me if someone connected to the mess (and not necessarily Hwang) decides to off him or herself. what do you think the chances are that he’ll commit suicide instead?
I hope pretty low. But given how this thing is playing out, it wouldn’t surprise me if someone connected to the mess (and not necessarily Hwang) decides to off him or herself.

]]> By: nulji http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26993 nulji Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:56:18 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26993 'my gut feeling is that he will (produce the samples).' marmot what do you think the chances are that he'll commit suicide instead? ‘my gut feeling is that he will (produce the samples).’ marmot

what do you think the chances are that he’ll commit suicide instead?

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26992 baduk Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:45:38 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26992 There is religious aspect of this cloning science. The people who believe that this can be done are usually atheists or Buddhists, as Hwang was one. And, they say that Christians are repeating the same mistake that they made on blood transfusion, which eventually became norm. However, I believe this case is somewhat different. Think about the following scenarios 1)Assume that chemicals in woman's egg is found to increase the size of a cow. It produce a bigger healthier cow. Should we allow farmers to buy human eggs for $10 from Indonesia and feed them to cows? 2) Hwang's team was making embryos and grow them in the lab. And, then inject these to chickens and dogs. Would you allow this, if it happens to make strong chickens, dogs and cows? (1) and (2) look to me that we are basically turning into cannibals. However, some scientists, atheists and Buddhists think that it is OK since we came from animals anyway. What do you think? There is religious aspect of this cloning science. The people who believe that this can be done are usually atheists or Buddhists, as Hwang was one.

And, they say that Christians are repeating the same mistake that they made on blood transfusion, which eventually became norm.

However, I believe this case is somewhat different. Think about the following scenarios

1)Assume that chemicals in woman’s egg is found to increase the size of a cow. It produce a bigger healthier cow. Should we allow farmers to buy human eggs for $10 from Indonesia and feed them to cows?

2) Hwang’s team was making embryos and grow them in the lab. And, then inject these to chickens and dogs. Would you allow this, if it happens to make strong chickens, dogs and cows?

(1) and (2) look to me that we are basically turning into cannibals. However, some scientists, atheists and Buddhists think that it is OK since we came from animals anyway.

What do you think?

]]> By: baduk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/19/dr-hwang/#comment-26991 baduk Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:32:45 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2224#comment-26991 I meant "Hwang's deceit and eventually ruin" I meant “Hwang’s deceit and eventually ruin”

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