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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26484</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 00:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo, we are in total agreement on the question issue. If it's good enough to ask Koreans, then everyone should be asked. Otherwise, it singles out a particular group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo, we are in total agreement on the question issue. If it&#8217;s good enough to ask Koreans, then everyone should be asked. Otherwise, it singles out a particular group.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26483</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyopos and sarcasm just don't mix well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyopos and sarcasm just don&#8217;t mix well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26482</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One further point. It is not necessarily racist to oppose the Middle Eastern Moslem fundamentalism, violence, terror and slander.  I'm not aware of all the issues surrounding the riots in Austria, and I am not sure whether Middle Eastern people are actually a different race, so I cannot comment on whether this is "racially motivated." But it is understandable and not necessarily racist that people would eventually go apeshit in the face of increasing Middle Eastern terrorism. That said, I don't condone the rioting there.

However, in the US, the picture is quite different. While it is true that Middle Eastern people have faced some suspicion after September 11, by and large they have been treated with great respect rather than discrimination. They have become successful businesspeople and live in harmony with their non-Moslem neighbors who have not challanged their right to cultural diversity.

To the contrary, keeping religion separate from politics is a protection aimed at preseving the right to cultural diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One further point. It is not necessarily racist to oppose the Middle Eastern Moslem fundamentalism, violence, terror and slander.  I&#8217;m not aware of all the issues surrounding the riots in Austria, and I am not sure whether Middle Eastern people are actually a different race, so I cannot comment on whether this is &#8220;racially motivated.&#8221; But it is understandable and not necessarily racist that people would eventually go apeshit in the face of increasing Middle Eastern terrorism. That said, I don&#8217;t condone the rioting there.</p>
<p>However, in the US, the picture is quite different. While it is true that Middle Eastern people have faced some suspicion after September 11, by and large they have been treated with great respect rather than discrimination. They have become successful businesspeople and live in harmony with their non-Moslem neighbors who have not challanged their right to cultural diversity.</p>
<p>To the contrary, keeping religion separate from politics is a protection aimed at preseving the right to cultural diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baduk:"Where is Mizar5 who said that there was no racism in the US?"

Stop making strawman arguments, attributing remarks to me that I never made.

To summarize what I wrote, racism exists - but much more in the minds of Koreans than in reality.  The average American is not racist.

Timothy McVeigh is NOT a typical American. What he did is far  ouitside the mainstream, so to cite him to shore support for an argument that "the average American is racist" is a logical fallacy known as a hasty generalizstion.

By the way, the sooner you stop playing the race card, the clearer and sharper your judgements will become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baduk:&#8221;Where is Mizar5 who said that there was no racism in the US?&#8221;</p>
<p>Stop making strawman arguments, attributing remarks to me that I never made.</p>
<p>To summarize what I wrote, racism exists - but much more in the minds of Koreans than in reality.  The average American is not racist.</p>
<p>Timothy McVeigh is NOT a typical American. What he did is far  ouitside the mainstream, so to cite him to shore support for an argument that &#8220;the average American is racist&#8221; is a logical fallacy known as a hasty generalizstion.</p>
<p>By the way, the sooner you stop playing the race card, the clearer and sharper your judgements will become.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26480</link>
		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McVeigh was no more a racist than your typical Hankyoreh editor.

I disagree. 

If McVeigh's actions were designed to hasten the establishment of an anti-Semitic White supremacist uprising, then certainly he is racist. If a Hankyoreh editor thinks that Koreans are better and/or more important than everyone else, or thinks that, say, Americans, Japanese, or Chinese are likely lower people simply because they are Americans, Japanese, or Chinese, that is racist, too. (It was Dogbert who made the statement, so I'm just taking a stab at what he thinks are "racist" qualities of the archetypal "your typical Hankyoreh editor").

So are all racists equal? Timothy McVeigh's racism was at such a high level that he decided to kill nearly 200 people. To my knowledge, no Hankyoreh editor is responsible for a racist-oriented killing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McVeigh was no more a racist than your typical Hankyoreh editor.</p>
<p>I disagree. </p>
<p>If McVeigh&#8217;s actions were designed to hasten the establishment of an anti-Semitic White supremacist uprising, then certainly he is racist. If a Hankyoreh editor thinks that Koreans are better and/or more important than everyone else, or thinks that, say, Americans, Japanese, or Chinese are likely lower people simply because they are Americans, Japanese, or Chinese, that is racist, too. (It was Dogbert who made the statement, so I&#8217;m just taking a stab at what he thinks are &#8220;racist&#8221; qualities of the archetypal &#8220;your typical Hankyoreh editor&#8221;).</p>
<p>So are all racists equal? Timothy McVeigh&#8217;s racism was at such a high level that he decided to kill nearly 200 people. To my knowledge, no Hankyoreh editor is responsible for a racist-oriented killing.</p>
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		<title>By: kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find the original question that prompted these posts valid. No one should be allowed to take citizenship in any country he or she is not prepared to defend, or to serve in a non-combattant role if they are Pacifists. 

I have no problem with the question per se, but I might if the question is being asked of Korean seeking naturalization and not the people from a number of other countries who have fought against the U.S. or would be far more likely than Korea to do so in the future. 

I also have a nagging suspicion that the problems of the interviewee at understanding nuances in English, or even of the interviewer trying to take a stab at Korean, is the real culprit here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find the original question that prompted these posts valid. No one should be allowed to take citizenship in any country he or she is not prepared to defend, or to serve in a non-combattant role if they are Pacifists. </p>
<p>I have no problem with the question per se, but I might if the question is being asked of Korean seeking naturalization and not the people from a number of other countries who have fought against the U.S. or would be far more likely than Korea to do so in the future. </p>
<p>I also have a nagging suspicion that the problems of the interviewee at understanding nuances in English, or even of the interviewer trying to take a stab at Korean, is the real culprit here.</p>
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		<title>By: JYCE</title>
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		<dc:creator>JYCE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McVeigh was no more a racist than your typical Hankyoreh editor.

Blam! Dogbert the passive-aggressive gunslinger shoots and misses again!</description>
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<p>Blam! Dogbert the passive-aggressive gunslinger shoots and misses again!</p>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26477</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, defines treason thusly: 

Treason. A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort. Cramer v. U. S., U.S.N.Y., 325 U.S. l, 65 S.Ct. 918, 9327 89 L.Ed. 1441. See 18 U.S.C.A. § 2381. (remainder omitted) 

Both McVeigh and Kim fall within the definition. Nuf said on this, and I still find the original question that prompted these posts valid. No one should be allowed to take citizenship in any country he or she is not prepared to defend, or to serve in a non-combattant role if they are Pacifists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black&#8217;s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, defines treason thusly: </p>
<p>Treason. A breach of allegiance to one&#8217;s government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy. The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power. Treason consists of two elements: adherence to the enemy, and rendering him aid and comfort. Cramer v. U. S., U.S.N.Y., 325 U.S. l, 65 S.Ct. 918, 9327 89 L.Ed. 1441. See 18 U.S.C.A. § 2381. (remainder omitted) </p>
<p>Both McVeigh and Kim fall within the definition. Nuf said on this, and I still find the original question that prompted these posts valid. No one should be allowed to take citizenship in any country he or she is not prepared to defend, or to serve in a non-combattant role if they are Pacifists.</p>
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		<title>By: juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McVeigh was no more a criminal than your typical dogbert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McVeigh was no more a criminal than your typical dogbert.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/12/09/which-side-would-you-fight-for/#comment-26475</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McVeigh was no more a racist than your typical Hankyoreh editor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McVeigh was no more a racist than your typical Hankyoreh editor.</p>
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