Comments on: Oranckay and the NK sub survivor — MUST READ!!!

By: Mike

Mike — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:12:21 +0000

I knew Hwang was a liar. The claim had no collarboration with any previous cloning claim. Dr Zavos cloned a 10 celled embryo, then a week later a scientist claimed to clone 30 blastocyts? Hardly.

That is like Charles Lindberg flying across the Atlantic Ocean a week after the Wright Brothers invent the airplane. Sure Science progresses, but not like that.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:50:15 +0000

Baduk wasn’t exactly slandering Hwang (from the IHT): “The South Korean police, meanwhile, said last week that they were investigating fertility clinics accused of using illegally traded human ova. One of the clinics was run by Roh Sung Il, who was among Hwang’s 24 co-authors for the stem cell research released in May. Roh has denied supplying illegally harvested ova to Hwang.

Park, the presidential aide, said there might have been commercial trade in human ova before the practice was formally banned early this year.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....s/stem.php

By: Juan

Juan — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:43:50 +0000

Yeah, I first couldn’t understand which “Hwang” baduk was talking about. The commando “Hwang”?

And Baduk until facts are proven to be facts, I think it is unwise to write them as facts. If found to be untrue, what you wrote sounds dangerously like slander. So far they are (alleged) suspicion as kimbob put.

And Kimbob IF one of the researcher has indeed donated her own egg, it is an ethical problem because they are not allowed to, in order to eliminate any chance of coercion being possible.

By: Bulgasari

Bulgasari — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:28:39 +0000

I wish someone would explain what Dr. Hwang and the submarine infiltration have in common. Did he clone North Korean commandos? Maybe that’s why Baduk hates him so.

By: baduk

baduk — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:56:39 +0000

Scientific research has to be done with objectivity. If one examines the history of science, many people have exaggerated, misinterpreted and outright falsified data for their gain. If a researcher appears to have lost the objectivity as in this case, the data he produced has to be re-examined by a third party.

Dr.Hwang has repeatedly lied to Dr.Schatten about this fact and the WP article suggest other “technical mistakes”(=possible falsification) that he is suspicious about. The article even hinted at the possible wrongdoings about the Hwang’s original claim. See my comments at Kushibo’s blog.

By: Kimbob

Kimbob — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:12:18 +0000

So one of the researcher donated her own egg (allegedly at that). Where’s the ethical problem with that? I just don’t get it.

By: kushibo

kushibo — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:46:49 +0000

Thanks for that, Baduk. I wrote up something on that.

By: baduk

baduk — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:31:42 +0000

They exposed Dr.Hwang as a liar. I have been telling everyone for sometime that he is. I know about these things. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101836.html

By: juan

juan — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:35:41 +0000

Wow… This was before I was in Korea. Quite an incident.

By: North Korea zone

North Korea zone — Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:44:09 +0000

What’s Money?

Oranckay (via the Marmot) tells about an encounter he had with a captured North Korean submariner: it’s eye-opening, and more than a little pathetic: The guy had been the submarine�s navigator, and had lived on a North Korean naval base…