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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/17/koizumi-visits-yasukuni/#comment-24612</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, only 63 posts on a korea-japan post!  Next thing you know Ban Ki Moon and Koizumi will freedom kiss each other in Dokdo sunset.  Ahh...  Maybe Ban Ki Moon will play harder to get than Richard Gere.
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		<title>By: annis</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like I have been discussing this issue all year around. But GBevers, I strongly recommend that you re-read the history.
Your MAKING-UP story that Korea was an ALLY of Japan during the WWII, was the one of the funniest ones I have ever heard in my life. hahahah

I recognize that Korea gets used to play a role of victim overly while staying retro, which I also feel is too much sometimes. And I am concerned about the rise of negative nationalism like anti-America or anti-Japan, which lead them a blind hate against "the others" without a rational thinking of, for example, what justification they might have in criticizing Japanese pm's visiting Yasukuni.   

However, I really wonder on the other hand, why Japanese politicians like Koizumi make their neighbors pissed off by picking their historically most sensitive part. It is simply not wise for Japan to go in such a way. 

Some Japanese seem to think that they have been doing well without their Asian counterparts' helps and thus so will they as well. But just be realistic. Japan's dependence on China in factory production and market has been growing enormaously (just look at the back of the light-industry products in Japan, can Japanese consumers live without "made-in-China"?" It is not that Japanese build factories and gives works to Chinese, they are inter-dependent)

What I think is that Japan does not need to show unwanted/pretended humblness to its Asian counterparts just because of its war-time atrocities (yes, the past is the past anyway), but she'd better not try to persuade them to accept or overlook its internal rhethoric for pm's Yasukuni visit by its political and cultural relativism. That will worsen the situations. What merit is for Japan by doing so? Some piece of nationalism, patriotism, loyalty to its country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I have been discussing this issue all year around. But GBevers, I strongly recommend that you re-read the history.<br />
Your MAKING-UP story that Korea was an ALLY of Japan during the WWII, was the one of the funniest ones I have ever heard in my life. hahahah</p>
<p>I recognize that Korea gets used to play a role of victim overly while staying retro, which I also feel is too much sometimes. And I am concerned about the rise of negative nationalism like anti-America or anti-Japan, which lead them a blind hate against &#8220;the others&#8221; without a rational thinking of, for example, what justification they might have in criticizing Japanese pm&#8217;s visiting Yasukuni.   </p>
<p>However, I really wonder on the other hand, why Japanese politicians like Koizumi make their neighbors pissed off by picking their historically most sensitive part. It is simply not wise for Japan to go in such a way. </p>
<p>Some Japanese seem to think that they have been doing well without their Asian counterparts&#8217; helps and thus so will they as well. But just be realistic. Japan&#8217;s dependence on China in factory production and market has been growing enormaously (just look at the back of the light-industry products in Japan, can Japanese consumers live without &#8220;made-in-China&#8221;?&#8221; It is not that Japanese build factories and gives works to Chinese, they are inter-dependent)</p>
<p>What I think is that Japan does not need to show unwanted/pretended humblness to its Asian counterparts just because of its war-time atrocities (yes, the past is the past anyway), but she&#8217;d better not try to persuade them to accept or overlook its internal rhethoric for pm&#8217;s Yasukuni visit by its political and cultural relativism. That will worsen the situations. What merit is for Japan by doing so? Some piece of nationalism, patriotism, loyalty to its country?</p>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/17/koizumi-visits-yasukuni/#comment-24610</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow all that and all I am advancing is Koizumi isn't honoring war criminals and doesn't have any diabolic plans on taking over Asia.  Must be a Japanese nationalist if I think such ludicrous thoughts.

"you don?t understand stand is that your brain is too small to comprehend what is really happening??.to make a long story short??Japan, a country that was ridiculed all through time by both China and Korea, tried to take Korea and china over??.but ultimately failed until ww2."

This small minded Japanese nationalist at least knows that Japan took over Korea decades before WWII. Oh and thank you for the invaluable knowledge that Japan and Korea are equal in internet gaming.  Call me enlightened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow all that and all I am advancing is Koizumi isn&#8217;t honoring war criminals and doesn&#8217;t have any diabolic plans on taking over Asia.  Must be a Japanese nationalist if I think such ludicrous thoughts.</p>
<p>&#8220;you don?t understand stand is that your brain is too small to comprehend what is really happening??.to make a long story short??Japan, a country that was ridiculed all through time by both China and Korea, tried to take Korea and china over??.but ultimately failed until ww2.&#8221;</p>
<p>This small minded Japanese nationalist at least knows that Japan took over Korea decades before WWII. Oh and thank you for the invaluable knowledge that Japan and Korea are equal in internet gaming.  Call me enlightened.</p>
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		<title>By: apollo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Korean education is at its height of ethno-centrism, and I feel sorry for such brainwashed people who don't even care to respect neighboring cultures...



where did japanese swords come from? hmmm? Japan? WRONG! 

I believe you are talking about Pommel Swords which first appeared in the former Han Dynasty of China (200AD), not in Baekche. The pommel was used by tying on soldier's hand or belt with string in fighting on horse. The Pommel Sword quickly spread into today's Pyongyang area, where the Han Dynasty established the colony known as Lelang commandery. When Lelang was crushed by Goguryeo in the early part of the 4th century, the manufacturing method of pommel swords reached the southern part of the peninsula and even Japan. Lelang?s influence was so huge in today?s Korea and Japan that the situations had dramatically changed by all mean. The pommel sword was just one of these.

The manufacturing method of Japanese Sword, on the contrary, is totally different from pommel sword. While its origin is unknown, the word, Tatara (method), sounds very similar to Tatar, the Turkish tribe known for iron-working. This Tatara method produces highly impure and carbonized metal. Unlike the pommel sword, Japanese sword is not made by casting, but rather created by very unusual way of smelting: the inner layer of soft metal is surrounded by heavily pounded outer-layer of harder metal, making blade flexible yet harder to break. You see, when you refer the word ?Japanese sword?? or ?Katana?? it?s not really about the shape but the way it produced.



Where did the japanese learn to read and write some chinese? China? yea some but mostly through korea??

Chinese Character of course was born in China, and as alphabet had spread from SE Europe and widely accepted in the entire European nations, nobody doubts that Chinese characters migrated from west to east. There's nothing more pathetic than some of Far Easterners today abandoned Chinese characters and wouldn?t be able to read its own historical records...very sad.



...pottery wonder where they got that? 

Japanese pottery, I'm sure, owes lot to Choseon pottery makers. Some of these folks had found the suitable porcelain clay which at the time was little known to Japanese. 

But believe or not, the Japanese porcelains had gotten even more significant influence from China. When the Ming dynasty collapsed in 1644, a Dutch merchant brought (or replanted for vital trading purpose) one Chinese pottery worker from whom Sakaida Kakiemon learned the drawing and baking. In a few years, Kakiemon quickly mastered and developed the pure-red inking technique which was not even available in China.

You can obtain more information by searching a keyword "Kakiemon" by Google, but the beauty of Kakiemon was unique to Japan at the time, and influenced heavily to the Western pottery, such as Meissen. I do give a credit to Choseon pottery makers for finding clays. They were as useful as French truffle-hunting pigs (this is a joke).



the japanese castles hm?? where did that style come from? 

You've never seen Japanese Castle? While the word "castle" in China and Korea is more like "fortress city", Japanese Castle was closer to European castles, with the availability of structures such as Tenshukaku (the Keep). Unlike the most part of Asia, Japan didn't have to protect the peasants since they traditionally fought over workforce, not the land itself. Burning and massacring, in my opinion, is very continental things.



hmm?? the style of kendo ?sword fighting?? came from korea. Kumdo. 

Hahahaha. Bu-Do, Ju-Do, Iai-Do, Aiki-Do, Karate-Do, Cha-Do, Syo-Do, and Ken-Do... the word "Do" came from the fusion of Taoism and Zen. It wouldn?t be ?Do without this philosophy and practices. Any of these activities were passed down from a generation to generation that rules, methods, customs, wears and tools, and masters are all recorded though its history. 

It's so funny when Koreans try so hard to prove themselves that they were the origin to Japanese, but please go to the library first. The so-called Kumdo masters told at the court that Kumdo was a made-up legend in order to camouflage the very Japanese practices which they learned under the occupation, but didn?t want to abandon.



Tell me do you like what admiral Lee soon shin did to japan?

Lee Son Shin was a great commander for knowing its geography and how Japanese would fight. The ratio of Japanese army and navy was 10 to 1, and that was brilliant idea to crash transport ships so Japanese army in land wouldn't be able to reach further into the Ming territory. It?s too bad he died while pursuing Shimadu after Japan and Ming made a pact????such an unnecessary loss, wasn?t it?</description>
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<p>where did japanese swords come from? hmmm? Japan? WRONG! </p>
<p>I believe you are talking about Pommel Swords which first appeared in the former Han Dynasty of China (200AD), not in Baekche. The pommel was used by tying on soldier&#8217;s hand or belt with string in fighting on horse. The Pommel Sword quickly spread into today&#8217;s Pyongyang area, where the Han Dynasty established the colony known as Lelang commandery. When Lelang was crushed by Goguryeo in the early part of the 4th century, the manufacturing method of pommel swords reached the southern part of the peninsula and even Japan. Lelang?s influence was so huge in today?s Korea and Japan that the situations had dramatically changed by all mean. The pommel sword was just one of these.</p>
<p>The manufacturing method of Japanese Sword, on the contrary, is totally different from pommel sword. While its origin is unknown, the word, Tatara (method), sounds very similar to Tatar, the Turkish tribe known for iron-working. This Tatara method produces highly impure and carbonized metal. Unlike the pommel sword, Japanese sword is not made by casting, but rather created by very unusual way of smelting: the inner layer of soft metal is surrounded by heavily pounded outer-layer of harder metal, making blade flexible yet harder to break. You see, when you refer the word ?Japanese sword?? or ?Katana?? it?s not really about the shape but the way it produced.</p>
<p>Where did the japanese learn to read and write some chinese? China? yea some but mostly through korea??</p>
<p>Chinese Character of course was born in China, and as alphabet had spread from SE Europe and widely accepted in the entire European nations, nobody doubts that Chinese characters migrated from west to east. There&#8217;s nothing more pathetic than some of Far Easterners today abandoned Chinese characters and wouldn?t be able to read its own historical records&#8230;very sad.</p>
<p>&#8230;pottery wonder where they got that? </p>
<p>Japanese pottery, I&#8217;m sure, owes lot to Choseon pottery makers. Some of these folks had found the suitable porcelain clay which at the time was little known to Japanese. </p>
<p>But believe or not, the Japanese porcelains had gotten even more significant influence from China. When the Ming dynasty collapsed in 1644, a Dutch merchant brought (or replanted for vital trading purpose) one Chinese pottery worker from whom Sakaida Kakiemon learned the drawing and baking. In a few years, Kakiemon quickly mastered and developed the pure-red inking technique which was not even available in China.</p>
<p>You can obtain more information by searching a keyword &#8220;Kakiemon&#8221; by Google, but the beauty of Kakiemon was unique to Japan at the time, and influenced heavily to the Western pottery, such as Meissen. I do give a credit to Choseon pottery makers for finding clays. They were as useful as French truffle-hunting pigs (this is a joke).</p>
<p>the japanese castles hm?? where did that style come from? </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve never seen Japanese Castle? While the word &#8220;castle&#8221; in China and Korea is more like &#8220;fortress city&#8221;, Japanese Castle was closer to European castles, with the availability of structures such as Tenshukaku (the Keep). Unlike the most part of Asia, Japan didn&#8217;t have to protect the peasants since they traditionally fought over workforce, not the land itself. Burning and massacring, in my opinion, is very continental things.</p>
<p>hmm?? the style of kendo ?sword fighting?? came from korea. Kumdo. </p>
<p>Hahahaha. Bu-Do, Ju-Do, Iai-Do, Aiki-Do, Karate-Do, Cha-Do, Syo-Do, and Ken-Do&#8230; the word &#8220;Do&#8221; came from the fusion of Taoism and Zen. It wouldn?t be ?Do without this philosophy and practices. Any of these activities were passed down from a generation to generation that rules, methods, customs, wears and tools, and masters are all recorded though its history. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s so funny when Koreans try so hard to prove themselves that they were the origin to Japanese, but please go to the library first. The so-called Kumdo masters told at the court that Kumdo was a made-up legend in order to camouflage the very Japanese practices which they learned under the occupation, but didn?t want to abandon.</p>
<p>Tell me do you like what admiral Lee soon shin did to japan?</p>
<p>Lee Son Shin was a great commander for knowing its geography and how Japanese would fight. The ratio of Japanese army and navy was 10 to 1, and that was brilliant idea to crash transport ships so Japanese army in land wouldn&#8217;t be able to reach further into the Ming territory. It?s too bad he died while pursuing Shimadu after Japan and Ming made a pact????such an unnecessary loss, wasn?t it?</p>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe   Wooj, I knew you would use this as your next line of offense against Japan.  Is it in some Korean playbook or something?  First, complain about what the Japanese/or any other country says, or in this case might think.  Second, if they say what we want, then complain about what they do. Third, if they do what we want, quickly think of something else to complain about.  Classic.  Absolutely classic.

Yoda says let go of your hate- the road to the dark side it is.

Liked the vixen comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe   Wooj, I knew you would use this as your next line of offense against Japan.  Is it in some Korean playbook or something?  First, complain about what the Japanese/or any other country says, or in this case might think.  Second, if they say what we want, then complain about what they do. Third, if they do what we want, quickly think of something else to complain about.  Classic.  Absolutely classic.</p>
<p>Yoda says let go of your hate- the road to the dark side it is.</p>
<p>Liked the vixen comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigur Ros</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this is why both koreas and japan must be unified and ruled under me. I'd make the japanese pump out those PS3s and anime shows while the south koreans would make all those melodramas about love triangles. This would help fund my nuclear arsenal in north korea. I'd use those nukes to take over china. With china I'd have a monopoly over plastic toys which i could stuff with nukes and send to all the little kids. Muahahahaha SANTA WONT KNOW WHAT HIT HIM!!! Damn that bastard for not giving me my barbie doll!!....._ errrr....did i say barbie doll?....i meant kung fu grip G.I. Joe...._</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this is why both koreas and japan must be unified and ruled under me. I&#8217;d make the japanese pump out those PS3s and anime shows while the south koreans would make all those melodramas about love triangles. This would help fund my nuclear arsenal in north korea. I&#8217;d use those nukes to take over china. With china I&#8217;d have a monopoly over plastic toys which i could stuff with nukes and send to all the little kids. Muahahahaha SANTA WONT KNOW WHAT HIT HIM!!! Damn that bastard for not giving me my barbie doll!!&#8230;.._ errrr&#8230;.did i say barbie doll?&#8230;.i meant kung fu grip G.I. Joe&#8230;._</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scroll down to "Good Demo, Bad Demo" at the Japundit:

&lt;a href="http://japundit.com/index.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://japundit.com/index.php&lt;/a&gt;

Could someone explain to me how to use the link button properly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scroll down to &#8220;Good Demo, Bad Demo&#8221; at the Japundit:</p>
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<p>Could someone explain to me how to use the link button properly?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn?t Korean the very one who willingly killed Chinese people at WWII because it was the first time they can beat China. People say that Korean killed badly Chinese worse than Japaese souldiers. It?s time to investigate Korea?s crime. 


Did you learn this "fact" at the Yasukuni Museum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn?t Korean the very one who willingly killed Chinese people at WWII because it was the first time they can beat China. People say that Korean killed badly Chinese worse than Japaese souldiers. It?s time to investigate Korea?s crime. </p>
<p>Did you learn this &#8220;fact&#8221; at the Yasukuni Museum?</p>
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		<title>By: puyopuyo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a big misunderstanding about Yasukuni. It commemorates all the dead who lost their lives to contribute to the nation since 20th century. 
Even those who were killed in recent activities as a member of U.N. in 1990's are commemorated. 

Don't call it "War shrine".

Koizumi's visit as an indivisual is guaranteed by constitution. Japanese people don't have right to stop him.

Wasn't Korean the very one who willingly killed Chinese people at WWII because it was the first time they can beat China. People say that Korean killed badly Chinese worse than Japaese souldiers. It's time to investigate Korea's crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a big misunderstanding about Yasukuni. It commemorates all the dead who lost their lives to contribute to the nation since 20th century.<br />
Even those who were killed in recent activities as a member of U.N. in 1990&#8217;s are commemorated. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t call it &#8220;War shrine&#8221;.</p>
<p>Koizumi&#8217;s visit as an indivisual is guaranteed by constitution. Japanese people don&#8217;t have right to stop him.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t Korean the very one who willingly killed Chinese people at WWII because it was the first time they can beat China. People say that Korean killed badly Chinese worse than Japaese souldiers. It&#8217;s time to investigate Korea&#8217;s crime.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he burns the Japanese WWII flag and Tojo's effigy prior to entering the temple, I may believe him.

But, he won't.  He is there to honor Japan's glorious past.  And, he is there to tell his constituents that Japan can do it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he burns the Japanese WWII flag and Tojo&#8217;s effigy prior to entering the temple, I may believe him.</p>
<p>But, he won&#8217;t.  He is there to honor Japan&#8217;s glorious past.  And, he is there to tell his constituents that Japan can do it again.</p>
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