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	<title>Comments on: I Feel Your Pain,  Mr. Canadian TeaCha Man</title>
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		<title>By: cgyopo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/16/i-feel-your-pain-mr-canadian-teacha-man/#comment-24493</link>
		<dc:creator>cgyopo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelton, 

Rather than constantly quoting your students poor pronunciation, why don't you correct it instead?  I've found that my 9-year old Korean students have no problem calling me by a properly pronounced "teacher". I?ve found that with the proper attention that Korean kids, adults are an obvious exception, should have no problem learning how to say even difficult words like ?ruler?? where they have to flip between the ?r?? and ?l?? sounds.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelton, </p>
<p>Rather than constantly quoting your students poor pronunciation, why don&#8217;t you correct it instead?  I&#8217;ve found that my 9-year old Korean students have no problem calling me by a properly pronounced &#8220;teacher&#8221;. I?ve found that with the proper attention that Korean kids, adults are an obvious exception, should have no problem learning how to say even difficult words like ?ruler?? where they have to flip between the ?r?? and ?l?? sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/16/i-feel-your-pain-mr-canadian-teacha-man/#comment-24492</link>
		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude,...</description>
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		<title>By: Shelton Bumgarner</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/16/i-feel-your-pain-mr-canadian-teacha-man/#comment-24491</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelton Bumgarner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because they're rhetorical, doesn't mean they don't deserve a response. Wink.

In this specific instance, all of the ESL posts are timely and thus there shouldn't be any issue with them being posted here. I have personal experience on the matter, and it seemed it wouldn't be too much out of the zone of the Marmot's Hole "brand image" to talking about stuff like that right now.

Oh...I'm thinking of starting a quick and dirty (to begin with) expat monthly at some point in the near future...any regular Marmot's Hole comment folks interested in contributing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because they&#8217;re rhetorical, doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t deserve a response. Wink.</p>
<p>In this specific instance, all of the ESL posts are timely and thus there shouldn&#8217;t be any issue with them being posted here. I have personal experience on the matter, and it seemed it wouldn&#8217;t be too much out of the zone of the Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#8220;brand image&#8221; to talking about stuff like that right now.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;I&#8217;m thinking of starting a quick and dirty (to begin with) expat monthly at some point in the near future&#8230;any regular Marmot&#8217;s Hole comment folks interested in contributing?</p>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/16/i-feel-your-pain-mr-canadian-teacha-man/#comment-24490</link>
		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shelton,

is it necessary to post so consistently about your english teaching trials and tribulations here?  granted there will always be an english teaching thread on this site, but wouldn't it be more appropriate and fit much better at dave's esl or some such similar site?

fyi, these are rhetorical questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shelton,</p>
<p>is it necessary to post so consistently about your english teaching trials and tribulations here?  granted there will always be an english teaching thread on this site, but wouldn&#8217;t it be more appropriate and fit much better at dave&#8217;s esl or some such similar site?</p>
<p>fyi, these are rhetorical questions.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve the fact that for a month or two I was without a visa was because I had changed jobs, and applied for a new visa ? with my company sponsoring me, which is why they paud for legal fees... ? within the required timeframe, and after that it all went bonkers because someone in Mokdong decided that I shouldn't be granted a D-8 but an E-7, although Immigration had told us that I had to apply for a D-8. It's not like I was an ESL dude with a fake degree Made in Thailand. I was the manager of a foreign company in Korea. And it was a mess they created, not us... Which is why in the end I got my visa...

And the part about being married with a Korean woman meaning nothing to them wasn't about the D-8 [which I was still waiting for]. It came up [it was back in late 2001, early 2002] as a remark about foreigners living in Korea. Like "no job, no visa". If this has changed since I am happy, although it doesn't matter any more to me, as I will never ask for a Korean visa anymore, but cool nonetheless.

/me shudders at the idea of dealing with Mokdong again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve the fact that for a month or two I was without a visa was because I had changed jobs, and applied for a new visa ? with my company sponsoring me, which is why they paud for legal fees&#8230; ? within the required timeframe, and after that it all went bonkers because someone in Mokdong decided that I shouldn&#8217;t be granted a D-8 but an E-7, although Immigration had told us that I had to apply for a D-8. It&#8217;s not like I was an ESL dude with a fake degree Made in Thailand. I was the manager of a foreign company in Korea. And it was a mess they created, not us&#8230; Which is why in the end I got my visa&#8230;</p>
<p>And the part about being married with a Korean woman meaning nothing to them wasn&#8217;t about the D-8 [which I was still waiting for]. It came up [it was back in late 2001, early 2002] as a remark about foreigners living in Korea. Like &#8220;no job, no visa&#8221;. If this has changed since I am happy, although it doesn&#8217;t matter any more to me, as I will never ask for a Korean visa anymore, but cool nonetheless.</p>
<p>/me shudders at the idea of dealing with Mokdong again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said it all dda. You were working without a visa. No employer is totally responsible for your status in Korea. It is your visa and your responsibility. There are so many foreigners working in Korea who get visas and then quit the job that hired them looking for greener pastures. It's the oldest trick in the book here. 

Immigration people don't give a shit about the rubbish surrounding why you were in Korea working without a visa. I'm sure they've heard every excuse in the book. Government bureaucrats (here and abroad)can be brutal. My sister worked for revenue Canada and depending on how you treated her, you could leave the office happy as a clam or even in tears.  Part of the perks of being a government worker.

The fact you were married to a Korean woman probably meant nothing because you were on a D-8 Visa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it all dda. You were working without a visa. No employer is totally responsible for your status in Korea. It is your visa and your responsibility. There are so many foreigners working in Korea who get visas and then quit the job that hired them looking for greener pastures. It&#8217;s the oldest trick in the book here. </p>
<p>Immigration people don&#8217;t give a shit about the rubbish surrounding why you were in Korea working without a visa. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve heard every excuse in the book. Government bureaucrats (here and abroad)can be brutal. My sister worked for revenue Canada and depending on how you treated her, you could leave the office happy as a clam or even in tears.  Part of the perks of being a government worker.</p>
<p>The fact you were married to a Korean woman probably meant nothing because you were on a D-8 Visa.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen ? and had my share of ? way too many bad moments at/with Immigration, including a similar case as you, Sonagi. I did bring my plane ticket, and I was lawyered up already, but the asshole at the ?Έ°????­ didn't want to hear anything. He was very unpolite, using ?°??§? and shit. We left, and the paralegal told me "this is one of the most difficult guys in Mokdong". A few days later, the situation was solved, apparently after some entertainment.

Re: green cards, that's precisely the point: they don't want foreigners to stay too long. They want our companies to invest there, but please stay away from our country. My last visa's difficulties started when a guy there decided that I had changed companies [4 in 11 years for crissake!] once too many, and wanted to deny the visa on that basis. wdf? Telling the whole story would take up a few screens, so I'll refrain, but it was a nightmare. I was even at a point without any visa, working illegally for my employer, because they had their ass firmly planted on their heads. And I remember saying once during all the meetings and crap that happened then, "But I am even married with a Korean woman!" which was answered by an immigration asshole with: "So what? Doesn't give you any right!".

A solution was finally found, involving threats to close the company, and some entertainment. With a proper DMZ between me, my company and the immigration office. That's what lawyers are there for I suppose.

Prolly one of the most expensive D-8 visas that was ever issued, if you factor in the number of people involved and the time wasted on such crazyness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen ? and had my share of ? way too many bad moments at/with Immigration, including a similar case as you, Sonagi. I did bring my plane ticket, and I was lawyered up already, but the asshole at the ?Έ°????­ didn&#8217;t want to hear anything. He was very unpolite, using ?°??§? and shit. We left, and the paralegal told me &#8220;this is one of the most difficult guys in Mokdong&#8221;. A few days later, the situation was solved, apparently after some entertainment.</p>
<p>Re: green cards, that&#8217;s precisely the point: they don&#8217;t want foreigners to stay too long. They want our companies to invest there, but please stay away from our country. My last visa&#8217;s difficulties started when a guy there decided that I had changed companies [4 in 11 years for crissake!] once too many, and wanted to deny the visa on that basis. wdf? Telling the whole story would take up a few screens, so I&#8217;ll refrain, but it was a nightmare. I was even at a point without any visa, working illegally for my employer, because they had their ass firmly planted on their heads. And I remember saying once during all the meetings and crap that happened then, &#8220;But I am even married with a Korean woman!&#8221; which was answered by an immigration asshole with: &#8220;So what? Doesn&#8217;t give you any right!&#8221;.</p>
<p>A solution was finally found, involving threats to close the company, and some entertainment. With a proper DMZ between me, my company and the immigration office. That&#8217;s what lawyers are there for I suppose.</p>
<p>Prolly one of the most expensive D-8 visas that was ever issued, if you factor in the number of people involved and the time wasted on such crazyness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dda the "fine folks" quote wasn't meant to be literal. Everyone knows when dealing with immigration dept workers they are pretty much 'gods' and you smile, nod and speak when you are spoken to. Because my wife was extra-polite to them, they allowed my visa to be extended to two years rather than having to return the next year. 

I agree with Sonagi. Whenever I dealt with the Korean Immigration office I was impressed with how fast they processed my paperwork. Canadian Immigration workers were slow as fuck and rude as hell. After trying to renew my passport I wanted to the kill the little bitch who gave me a hard time. Suddenly the function of the glass partition that separated us became clear.

My brother's nanny had neglected to update her visa and Canadian Immigration told her get outta town before sundown. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dda the &#8220;fine folks&#8221; quote wasn&#8217;t meant to be literal. Everyone knows when dealing with immigration dept workers they are pretty much &#8216;gods&#8217; and you smile, nod and speak when you are spoken to. Because my wife was extra-polite to them, they allowed my visa to be extended to two years rather than having to return the next year. </p>
<p>I agree with Sonagi. Whenever I dealt with the Korean Immigration office I was impressed with how fast they processed my paperwork. Canadian Immigration workers were slow as fuck and rude as hell. After trying to renew my passport I wanted to the kill the little bitch who gave me a hard time. Suddenly the function of the glass partition that separated us became clear.</p>
<p>My brother&#8217;s nanny had neglected to update her visa and Canadian Immigration told her get outta town before sundown. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard stories of rudeness and incompetence at immigration and I believe them, but I have to say that during my 13-year-stay, I never had a problem.  In fact, one year my university was even later than usual with the paperwork despite a few polite reminders and I rushed to immigration two days before my scheduled departure to the states.  I brought my ticket with me to show the officer while pleading for expedited service.  Didn't even need to show the ticket. The officer told me to sit down and ten minutes later, my passport appeared with a new visa.  Didn't slip the guy a white envelope, either.

I agree with Dda that the annual renewal thing is annoying.  How about green cards, Korea?  You say you want globalization, so why not make it easier for foreign nationals to make Korea their permanent home? Even foreigners in red China can get green cards if they meet residency and language requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard stories of rudeness and incompetence at immigration and I believe them, but I have to say that during my 13-year-stay, I never had a problem.  In fact, one year my university was even later than usual with the paperwork despite a few polite reminders and I rushed to immigration two days before my scheduled departure to the states.  I brought my ticket with me to show the officer while pleading for expedited service.  Didn&#8217;t even need to show the ticket. The officer told me to sit down and ten minutes later, my passport appeared with a new visa.  Didn&#8217;t slip the guy a white envelope, either.</p>
<p>I agree with Dda that the annual renewal thing is annoying.  How about green cards, Korea?  You say you want globalization, so why not make it easier for foreign nationals to make Korea their permanent home? Even foreigners in red China can get green cards if they meet residency and language requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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