Comments on: The Long Arm of EnglishSpectrum-gate http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:34:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: thebdf http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24194 thebdf Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:54:24 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24194 japan is a wonderful, mature, secure, first-world country where most threads like this one wouldn?€™t apply. I'm guessing you never rode the subway there, then. japan is a wonderful, mature, secure, first-world country where most threads like this one wouldn?€™t apply.

I’m guessing you never rode the subway there, then.

]]> By: formerexpat http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24193 formerexpat Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:03:59 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24193 I have 1 question to ask all of you with valid opinions: Should the wife of a legal visa holding English Teacher who is living with her husband in the republic be fined and deported for getting caught teaching nursery rhyms to kindergarten students? Choose 1 of the following repercussions of this: 1. Immediatedly be taken to the immigration office and interogated for many hours by the same people who arrest drug dealers and other criminals who are in hiding in Korea. Then get fined 700,000won ($700 US),blacklisted and promtly given exit orders.(The is the current outcome) 2. Be fined 700,000won ($700 US) and be given a warning but not deported. 3. Nothing, the rules should be changed so that wives of legal working residents should also be allowed to work in the Republic. Please post your response 1, 2 or 3 with reasons... I have 1 question to ask all of you with valid opinions:

Should the wife of a legal visa holding English Teacher who is living with her husband in the republic be fined and deported for getting caught teaching nursery rhyms to kindergarten students?

Choose 1 of the following repercussions of this:

1. Immediatedly be taken to the immigration office and interogated for many hours by the same people who arrest drug dealers and other criminals who are in hiding in Korea. Then get fined 700,000won ($700 US),blacklisted and promtly given exit orders.(The is the current outcome)

2. Be fined 700,000won ($700 US) and be given a warning but not deported.

3. Nothing, the rules should be changed so that wives of legal working residents should also be allowed to work in the Republic.

Please post your response 1, 2 or 3 with reasons…

]]> By: EXSeoulman http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24192 EXSeoulman Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:23:23 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24192 Interesting thread Lets hope that North Korea absorbs the south so that both GIs and English teachers can get out of that shit hole. Shouldn't be long now. LETS HOPE FOR AN EARLY WITHDRAWL OF US FORCES FROM KOREA Interesting thread

Lets hope that North Korea absorbs the south so that both GIs and English teachers can get out of that shit hole. Shouldn’t be long now.

LETS HOPE FOR AN EARLY WITHDRAWL OF US FORCES FROM KOREA

]]> By: EFL Geek: ESL EFL in Korea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24191 EFL Geek: ESL EFL in Korea Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:59:57 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24191 Illegal Teacher Crackdown This has been going since august as far as I know, but has been getting alot of attention on expat blogs and daves cafe lately. The recent attention is mostly due to an article in the Globe and Mail that made the front page of the print edition. I wasn... Illegal Teacher Crackdown

This has been going since august as far as I know, but has been getting alot of attention on expat blogs and daves cafe lately. The recent attention is mostly due to an article in the Globe and Mail that made the front page of the print edition. I wasn…

]]> By: bulgasari http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24190 bulgasari Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:56:05 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24190 Usinkorea - Allegations of teachers sleeping with underage students were raised in that episode of "I want to know that" which aired February 19, but before that it was not mentioned in any of the English Spectrum Gate coverage by the English language media or here at the Marmot. It's been awhile since I watched it that show - I seem to remember that it consisted of some guy saying that his co-worker had told him he had slept with an underaged student. Well, if some guy says that is buddy told him that...then any program that starts off with a reference to a 19 month old forum post in order to paint all foreign teachers as pedophiles is obviously going to consider that to be an unassailable fact. The other allegation you were referring to, where the age of the student the teacher was alleged to have slept with was unclear, was from August 16th, and was not mixed up with the original English Spectrum fiasco. Marmot covered this in the post "Forged degrees and screwing your students". I agree with your comments from back then - if there was some frollicking with adult students, I don't see a problem with that; if it was with underaged students, then obviously there will be problems. The articles didn't state the age of the students involved, and I have to wonder why - because they didn't know the age[s] of these girls, or because calling it 'improper relations' would give the impression of something that might not be the case - something that might sell more papers or get more hits? KrZ Click here to get that episode of ?·¸?²???´ ??Œ?³? ??¶??¤. It isn't been shared anymore, it seems, but I threw it back in my share folder, so you should be able to get it. If you'd rather get it via bt I can share it that way. PS - if the link doesn't work, search for this file: English Teachers - I want to know that.ep327.050219.KOR.SDTV.XviD-2DOT Usinkorea - Allegations of teachers sleeping with underage students were raised in that episode of “I want to know that” which aired February 19, but before that it was not mentioned in any of the English Spectrum Gate coverage by the English language media or here at the Marmot. It’s been awhile since I watched it that show - I seem to remember that it consisted of some guy saying that his co-worker had told him he had slept with an underaged student. Well, if some guy says that is buddy told him that…then any program that starts off with a reference to a 19 month old forum post in order to paint all foreign teachers as pedophiles is obviously going to consider that to be an unassailable fact.

The other allegation you were referring to, where the age of the student the teacher was alleged to have slept with was unclear, was from August 16th, and was not mixed up with the original English Spectrum fiasco. Marmot covered this in the post “Forged degrees and screwing your students”. I agree with your comments from back then - if there was some frollicking with adult students, I don’t see a problem with that; if it was with underaged students, then obviously there will be problems. The articles didn’t state the age of the students involved, and I have to wonder why - because they didn’t know the age[s] of these girls, or because calling it ‘improper relations’ would give the impression of something that might not be the case - something that might sell more papers or get more hits?

KrZ

Click here to get that episode of ?·¸?²???´ ??Œ?³? ??¶??¤. It isn’t been shared anymore, it seems, but I threw it back in my share folder, so you should be able to get it. If you’d rather get it via bt I can share it that way.

PS - if the link doesn’t work, search for this file:
English Teachers - I want to know that.ep327.050219.KOR.SDTV.XviD-2DOT

]]> By: bulgasari http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24189 bulgasari Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:43:51 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24189 After a bit of searching around, I found that the post on how to molest students was actually posted on July 11, 2003, attracted several negative comments, and then apparently dropped out of sight 3 days later. Marmot first reported on the negative response to the Ask the Playboy Hongdae party post on January 12 of this year, and the student molesting guide was discovered by netizens on January 14 - a year and a half later. To get an idea of what the guy who wrote it was thinking, have a look at his posts on the topic here. He says he cut and pasted it from a newsgroup and was just trying to see if it would be censored (I'm assuming because KoreanESL had no censoring at the time). To read the angry comments by the foreigners who read it when it was first posted (and to see what he was responding to), you have to go just below the halfway point on the original page and look for "Webmaster -- What are you thinking?" by 'Bruce' and read the next dozen or so posts (a few more are further down). A link to this page is in Update 1 of Marmot's post 'English Spectrum-Gate continues!' If you assume that this article had been buried after 18 months without anyone replying to it, you'd have to guess that Korean netizens were going around to all of these ESL sites doing searches with sensational words in order to dig something up to pump new life into the hatefest. Maybe you could draw a parallel between the searches that turned this up and the false rumors that were spread about the Katusas getting into a fight with the soldiers involved in the June 2003 accident after it occurred (as they were supposedly laughing about it - a blatant lie). Having read the comments by the guy who posted the molestation guide (and seeing the blatant spelling errors in that post, while the poster's subseqent comments were relatively error free), I think now that it was likely what he said it was - a(n irresponsible) provocation directed at the board's moderators, and likely the other members. Who would have thought it would have had the repercussions it did? (btw, could someone explain the preview function to me and tell me why all the text between two links disappears in the preview (or why text disappears after a certain point)? Is this just part of the moderation function? I'll likely have to break this up into 2-3 comments...) After a bit of searching around, I found that the post on how to molest students was actually posted on July 11, 2003, attracted several negative comments, and then apparently dropped out of sight 3 days later. Marmot first reported on the negative response to the Ask the Playboy Hongdae party post on January 12 of this year, and the student molesting guide was discovered by netizens on January 14 - a year and a half later.

To get an idea of what the guy who wrote it was thinking, have a look at his posts on the topic here. He says he cut and pasted it from a newsgroup and was just trying to see if it would be censored (I’m assuming because KoreanESL had no censoring at the time). To read the angry comments by the foreigners who read it when it was first posted (and to see what he was responding to), you have to go just below the halfway point on the original page and look for “Webmaster — What are you thinking?” by ‘Bruce’ and read the next dozen or so posts (a few more are further down). A link to this page is in Update 1 of Marmot’s post ‘English Spectrum-Gate continues!’

If you assume that this article had been buried after 18 months without anyone replying to it, you’d have to guess that Korean netizens were going around to all of these ESL sites doing searches with sensational words in order to dig something up to pump new life into the hatefest. Maybe you could draw a parallel between the searches that turned this up and the false rumors that were spread about the Katusas getting into a fight with the soldiers involved in the June 2003 accident after it occurred (as they were supposedly laughing about it - a blatant lie). Having read the comments by the guy who posted the molestation guide (and seeing the blatant spelling errors in that post, while the poster’s subseqent comments were relatively error free), I think now that it was likely what he said it was - a(n irresponsible) provocation directed at the board’s moderators, and likely the other members. Who would have thought it would have had the repercussions it did?

(btw, could someone explain the preview function to me and tell me why all the text between two links disappears in the preview (or why text disappears after a certain point)? Is this just part of the moderation function? I’ll likely have to break this up into 2-3 comments…)

]]> By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24188 judge judy Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:45:24 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24188 ``I affirm that, within 10 years, this country would become a place where people should not need to pay for private tutoring of their children for college admission,?€™?€™ he [Noh Moo Hyun] said. ``Private tutoring should be restricted to helping children develop their special talents.?€™?€™ 10.11.05 “I affirm that, within 10 years, this country would become a place where people should not need to pay for private tutoring of their children for college admission,?€™?€™ he [Noh Moo Hyun] said. “Private tutoring should be restricted to helping children develop their special talents.?€™?€™

10.11.05

]]> By: judge judy http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24187 judge judy Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:15:41 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24187 that sounds perfect, wedge. japan is a wonderful, mature, secure, first-world country where most threads like this one wouldn't apply. korea is an unstable, developing country with completely insecure men and too many discussion threads like this to count in one's lifetime. i can just imagine osaka and beer in the fall right now...and lots of onsens! that sounds perfect, wedge. japan is a wonderful, mature, secure, first-world country where most threads like this one wouldn’t apply. korea is an unstable, developing country with completely insecure men and too many discussion threads like this to count in one’s lifetime.

i can just imagine osaka and beer in the fall right now…and lots of onsens!

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24186 Wedge Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:23:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24186 Speaking of protecting Korean women from us molesters, it was refreshing to spend last weekend at a great beer festival in Osaka and be able to chat up the lasses at will without Japanese men doing any cockblocking. Of course, you tell this to a Korean and it'll just confirm to him that they're right in doing it.. Speaking of protecting Korean women from us molesters, it was refreshing to spend last weekend at a great beer festival in Osaka and be able to chat up the lasses at will without Japanese men doing any cockblocking. Of course, you tell this to a Korean and it’ll just confirm to him that they’re right in doing it..

]]> By: KrZ http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/10/11/the-long-arm-of-englishspectrum-gate/#comment-24185 KrZ Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:20:42 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=2059#comment-24185 I decided to find it originally after seeing it quoted in that episode of ?€œI want to know that?€? (which you can find on emule, along with every episode of Morae Sigye, btw). Does anyone have an ED2K link for this show? I tried "?·¸?²???€ ??Œ?³? ??¶??¤", "want to know that", and "??Œ?³? ??¶??¤" and turned up nothing. Maybe all the seeders have dropped since it aired so long ago :( I decided to find it originally after seeing it quoted in that episode of ?€œI want to know that?€? (which you can find on emule, along with every episode of Morae Sigye, btw).

Does anyone have an ED2K link for this show? I tried “?·¸?²???€ ??Œ?³? ??¶??¤”, “want to know that”, and “??Œ?³? ??¶??¤” and turned up nothing. Maybe all the seeders have dropped since it aired so long ago :(

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