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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/09/16/fucking-macarthur-lyrics-from-n-korean-history-book-ohmynews/#comment-23745</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know of a good website to find these protest songs and with lyrics?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know of a good website to find these protest songs and with lyrics?</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 04:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[EDITORIALS]Cockeyed nationalism

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[EDITORIALS]Cockeyed nationalism</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, with the U.S. military officially out of South Korea, there is no way for the U.S. to keep a damper on the development by South Korea of nuclear weapons and the long-range missiles to deliver them.  For that reason alone, the U.S. military presence must stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, with the U.S. military officially out of South Korea, there is no way for the U.S. to keep a damper on the development by South Korea of nuclear weapons and the long-range missiles to deliver them.  For that reason alone, the U.S. military presence must stay.</p>
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		<title>By: EXSeoulman</title>
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		<dc:creator>EXSeoulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With friends like these...........

Sometimes when we consider an issue up close, like is done on this forum, we can lose sight of certain facts that need to be looked at with a wider angle lense.

The facts are that South Koreans , for reasons ranging from they are Nork puppets all the way to they are so naive that they think the Norks are their "wayward brothers," have created a culture of Anti-americanism. This will continue for as long as the status quo is maintained.  However, if the States were to detangle itself from its racist unappreciative "ally," then the US could compete with SK on a equal footing, just like lots of the civic groups want. To do this it would just be a matter of the US withdrawing from SK.  THis would help for three reasons. It would civilize and mature US-SK relations as Koreans would no longer get to show the US the middle finger with one hand, while taking  NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN USFK with the other. It would also allow the opening of the Korean market to US businesses because the whole you have troops in our country so give us benefits wouldn't work anymore.  It would also allow the US to make a pre-emptive attack on NK with little fear that it could be targeted in retaliation.

Sounds to me like a way to get both NK and SK to watch what they say and do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With friends like these&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Sometimes when we consider an issue up close, like is done on this forum, we can lose sight of certain facts that need to be looked at with a wider angle lense.</p>
<p>The facts are that South Koreans , for reasons ranging from they are Nork puppets all the way to they are so naive that they think the Norks are their &#8220;wayward brothers,&#8221; have created a culture of Anti-americanism. This will continue for as long as the status quo is maintained.  However, if the States were to detangle itself from its racist unappreciative &#8220;ally,&#8221; then the US could compete with SK on a equal footing, just like lots of the civic groups want. To do this it would just be a matter of the US withdrawing from SK.  THis would help for three reasons. It would civilize and mature US-SK relations as Koreans would no longer get to show the US the middle finger with one hand, while taking  NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN USFK with the other. It would also allow the opening of the Korean market to US businesses because the whole you have troops in our country so give us benefits wouldn&#8217;t work anymore.  It would also allow the US to make a pre-emptive attack on NK with little fear that it could be targeted in retaliation.</p>
<p>Sounds to me like a way to get both NK and SK to watch what they say and do.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbert</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogbert you wrote, ?elderly tend to be conservative and the youth progressive?? I don?t think you can say that the elderly are hardly progressive. And moreover, if you take your eyes off the peninsula for a minute and zoomed in elsewhere, you may discover, that Korea may not be a contrarian, but rather part of a herd.

Korean youth are likely some of the least "progressive" around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogbert you wrote, ?elderly tend to be conservative and the youth progressive?? I don?t think you can say that the elderly are hardly progressive. And moreover, if you take your eyes off the peninsula for a minute and zoomed in elsewhere, you may discover, that Korea may not be a contrarian, but rather part of a herd.</p>
<p>Korean youth are likely some of the least &#8220;progressive&#8221; around.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2005 02:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gbevers, what debate are you talking about? As far as I can tell, almost no one takes that translation or mistranslation seriously other than those who want to take down the statue. It's now well known, that quote allegedly said by MacArthur came from North Korea, and that the Communist groups in the South have started using them to propagate their anti-American views. Debate? What debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gbevers, what debate are you talking about? As far as I can tell, almost no one takes that translation or mistranslation seriously other than those who want to take down the statue. It&#8217;s now well known, that quote allegedly said by MacArthur came from North Korea, and that the Communist groups in the South have started using them to propagate their anti-American views. Debate? What debate?</p>
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		<title>By: GBevers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there even a debate on this quote? It is obviously fabricated or a mistranslation. Here is the Korean and my translation:

"????Έ??? ????·¨?????Ό. ?·Έ ?³³????? ????°?¨??? ?Ά??Έ??? ?????€. 3??Ό ????? ????Έ?? ????°??? ?²??Ό?‘ ??? ?²???΄??€."

"Take Seoul. There are girls and wives there. For three days, Seoul will be yours."

MacArthur was not Ghenghis Khan, and his soldiers were not mercenaries motivated by rape and pillage. If MacArthur had made any similar statement to motivate his troops, it would have been this:

"Take Seoul. There are women and wives there (who need protecting). In three days, Seoul will be yours."

If MacArthur did say what I suggested above, then that would mean the Korean translator mistranslated "in three days" by changing it to "for three days." The mistranslation could have been an accident or intentional, but my Korean students frequently mistranslate "in." One Korean dictionary definition of "in" is "????????," which can mean, "for (a period of time)."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there even a debate on this quote? It is obviously fabricated or a mistranslation. Here is the Korean and my translation:</p>
<p>&#8220;????Έ??? ????·¨?????Ό. ?·Έ ?³³????? ????°?¨??? ?Ά??Έ??? ?????€. 3??Ό ????? ????Έ?? ????°??? ?²??Ό?‘ ??? ?²???΄??€.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Take Seoul. There are girls and wives there. For three days, Seoul will be yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>MacArthur was not Ghenghis Khan, and his soldiers were not mercenaries motivated by rape and pillage. If MacArthur had made any similar statement to motivate his troops, it would have been this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Take Seoul. There are women and wives there (who need protecting). In three days, Seoul will be yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>If MacArthur did say what I suggested above, then that would mean the Korean translator mistranslated &#8220;in three days&#8221; by changing it to &#8220;for three days.&#8221; The mistranslation could have been an accident or intentional, but my Korean students frequently mistranslate &#8220;in.&#8221; One Korean dictionary definition of &#8220;in&#8221; is &#8220;????????,&#8221; which can mean, &#8220;for (a period of time).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hardyandtiny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear God PLEASE, just once, before he dies, PLEASE let Mick Jagger perform Some Girls at Jamshil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear God PLEASE, just once, before he dies, PLEASE let Mick Jagger perform Some Girls at Jamshil.</p>
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		<title>By: Daemado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daemado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember seeing that alleged Macarthur quote many years ago, clearly attributed as North Korean or Chinese wartime propaganda.

My grandmother was hiding in Seoul at the time with six kids: five daughters and a son. She was terrified -- not of horny Marines bent on defiling her precious daughters, but of North Korean press gangs that had already carried off much of Seoul's able-bodied male population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember seeing that alleged Macarthur quote many years ago, clearly attributed as North Korean or Chinese wartime propaganda.</p>
<p>My grandmother was hiding in Seoul at the time with six kids: five daughters and a son. She was terrified &#8212; not of horny Marines bent on defiling her precious daughters, but of North Korean press gangs that had already carried off much of Seoul&#8217;s able-bodied male population.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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