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		<title>By: Larry Kwong</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/27/koreans-in-vietnam/#comment-165329</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Kwong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's time for Koreans to look into their own closet to see all their dirty clothes.  Not only should they be facing their own atrocities they committed as American mercenaries in Vietnam war, but they must remind themselves that they were not victims in WWII, but that they fought war side by side with Japanese as their allies.  In fact, Koreans were known to be the most brutal and cold blooded throughout the Southeast Asia as there were so many Koreans executed as War criminals in disproportion with a small number of servicemen in Japanese army.  Again, it's time for Koreans to stop lying to hide their real past and time to come out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for Koreans to look into their own closet to see all their dirty clothes.  Not only should they be facing their own atrocities they committed as American mercenaries in Vietnam war, but they must remind themselves that they were not victims in WWII, but that they fought war side by side with Japanese as their allies.  In fact, Koreans were known to be the most brutal and cold blooded throughout the Southeast Asia as there were so many Koreans executed as War criminals in disproportion with a small number of servicemen in Japanese army.  Again, it&#8217;s time for Koreans to stop lying to hide their real past and time to come out.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/27/koreans-in-vietnam/#comment-22357</link>
		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted this onto the freeboard at the Korean Vitnamese War Vets page. Here's what I posted.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted this onto the freeboard at the Korean Vitnamese War Vets page. Here&#8217;s what I posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/08/27/koreans-in-vietnam/#comment-22356</link>
		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimbob wrote:Let me get this straight. You haven??t seen the evidence yet you have made up your mind. You didn't get that straight at all. 

I never said I never saw any evidence. I have read reports of this stuff and historical accounts, but I don't know if that's the entire story. Some of the accusations may be less substantiated, I don't know. That's why I'd like to see or hear the evidence for these. 

But from what I have seen or read, I think there may be some validity, but as I described, some of the reputation may be more legend or rumor than what really happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimbob wrote:Let me get this straight. You haven??t seen the evidence yet you have made up your mind. You didn&#8217;t get that straight at all. </p>
<p>I never said I never saw any evidence. I have read reports of this stuff and historical accounts, but I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the entire story. Some of the accusations may be less substantiated, I don&#8217;t know. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;d like to see or hear the evidence for these. </p>
<p>But from what I have seen or read, I think there may be some validity, but as I described, some of the reputation may be more legend or rumor than what really happened.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baduk, that movie's title was "White Badge", screened in 1992. 

The movie was a bold faced lie of the original book. I read the original book, the original book and the movie were completely different. The movie guys decided that they wanted a movie similiar to "Platoon" with all the glory actions of Vietnamese civilians getting murdered by evil Korean troops. The author felt betrayed because that was not how the book went, not even close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baduk, that movie&#8217;s title was &#8220;White Badge&#8221;, screened in 1992. </p>
<p>The movie was a bold faced lie of the original book. I read the original book, the original book and the movie were completely different. The movie guys decided that they wanted a movie similiar to &#8220;Platoon&#8221; with all the glory actions of Vietnamese civilians getting murdered by evil Korean troops. The author felt betrayed because that was not how the book went, not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I would like to see the evidence that Korean troops committed these atrocities."

Let me get this straight. You haven't seen the evidence yet you have made up your mind. 

Baduk, I too thought Koreans committed unspeakable atrocities daily against the Vietnamese, until I began to read the experiences of the US vets who have served with the Koreans in Vietnam. 99.99 % of the time, they will be the first ones who will come to the defense of the Koreans. Sure there are lot of stories of legendary proportions about how Koreans skinned suspected enemies, and dropped prisoners off the helicopters but I have yet to read somebody who actually withnessed this. There were lot of US military advisers, forward area reconassaince, and troops who worked with the Koreans, I have yet to find and read American troops describing how Koreans went into a village and allegedly wiped them out by the hundreds. If this really happened, then the many American troops who worked with the Koreans would have withnessed it. If there's a coverup, then those Americans would also be guilty of the coverup.

At any rate, I'll try to post this subject on the free board of the Korean Vietnam War Vets which Marmot posted, and ask them this question. Maybe one of the Korean or American vets who were the ones there (not us arm chair analysts who's never been in a war) can input their opinions about the accusations that they were just bunch of baby killers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would like to see the evidence that Korean troops committed these atrocities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me get this straight. You haven&#8217;t seen the evidence yet you have made up your mind. </p>
<p>Baduk, I too thought Koreans committed unspeakable atrocities daily against the Vietnamese, until I began to read the experiences of the US vets who have served with the Koreans in Vietnam. 99.99 % of the time, they will be the first ones who will come to the defense of the Koreans. Sure there are lot of stories of legendary proportions about how Koreans skinned suspected enemies, and dropped prisoners off the helicopters but I have yet to read somebody who actually withnessed this. There were lot of US military advisers, forward area reconassaince, and troops who worked with the Koreans, I have yet to find and read American troops describing how Koreans went into a village and allegedly wiped them out by the hundreds. If this really happened, then the many American troops who worked with the Koreans would have withnessed it. If there&#8217;s a coverup, then those Americans would also be guilty of the coverup.</p>
<p>At any rate, I&#8217;ll try to post this subject on the free board of the Korean Vietnam War Vets which Marmot posted, and ask them this question. Maybe one of the Korean or American vets who were the ones there (not us arm chair analysts who&#8217;s never been in a war) can input their opinions about the accusations that they were just bunch of baby killers.</p>
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		<title>By: non korean</title>
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		<dc:creator>non korean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Vietnam a few years ago.  Being a Yank I was a bit leery of how I would be received.  They were all very polite and friendly to me after I said I was an American- to my face at least.  Then again I was mostly in the South.  The North tends to be a lot more Anti-American.  When I brought up that I taught English in Korea I got a very negative response about Koreans and their reputation for cruelty in the war.  I'm not in anyway saying the US didn't commit atrocities in Vietnam just as all countries do with fierce fighting.  Anyways definitely a love/hate relationship with Korea- they do love the Korean wave or should I say Korean cultural imperialistic hegemony. 

I fully agree with Virtual wonderer.  Using human shields is an atrocity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Vietnam a few years ago.  Being a Yank I was a bit leery of how I would be received.  They were all very polite and friendly to me after I said I was an American- to my face at least.  Then again I was mostly in the South.  The North tends to be a lot more Anti-American.  When I brought up that I taught English in Korea I got a very negative response about Koreans and their reputation for cruelty in the war.  I&#8217;m not in anyway saying the US didn&#8217;t commit atrocities in Vietnam just as all countries do with fierce fighting.  Anyways definitely a love/hate relationship with Korea- they do love the Korean wave or should I say Korean cultural imperialistic hegemony. </p>
<p>I fully agree with Virtual wonderer.  Using human shields is an atrocity.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 00:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kushibo,

I agree with you one hundred percent.  And, the best way to educate people is through movies.

Korea did make some appologestic movies about VietNam, "White War" and others.  I haven't watched any yet so I cannot comment on details.  But, these movies were anti-war and did provide some scene of Korean atrocities.

Now, if I could get hold of some money to make "anti-Commie" movies, I would be so happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kushibo,</p>
<p>I agree with you one hundred percent.  And, the best way to educate people is through movies.</p>
<p>Korea did make some appologestic movies about VietNam, &#8220;White War&#8221; and others.  I haven&#8217;t watched any yet so I cannot comment on details.  But, these movies were anti-war and did provide some scene of Korean atrocities.</p>
<p>Now, if I could get hold of some money to make &#8220;anti-Commie&#8221; movies, I would be so happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kushibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kushibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>badukGet off the liar wagon.  Korean troops did commit atrocities.  All soldiers do.  

It is high time for us to admit those acts as they come out and truly appologize to Vietnamese people.  Hiding them only makes us look Japanese.I'll go one better: hiding them only allows for the recurrence later on.

During World War II, while it is true that hundreds of thousands were serving the Japanese involuntarily, some of these conscripts and some of the volunteers did commit atrocities, particularly in the POW camps. A couple dozen Koreans, in fact, were executed for war crimes (a tiny percentage of the Japanese imperial total).

But because the issues and circumstances never really came to light for the general public, it was easy for them to be repeated, not just during Yugio, but also during the Vietnam War. And in the future, who knows? Maybe the way a lot of Korean factory heads run things in China and Southeast Asia is due to a lack of reflection on the capabilities of some Confucian-oriented Korean people in authority to do violent harm to their underlings. 

And this is another reason why I find the right-wing Japanese rhetoric so disturbing. Painting the atrocities as little more than a huge fabrication or the war itself as a defensive war derails important Japanese attempts in the past to come to grips with the horrors committed by people from their culture, even themselves. By denying it, watering it down, or rationalizing it away, you make it more likely to happen in the future. And that is why at least some people are nervous about the rhetoric coming from Japan's right and Koizumi's lack of concern about some of these issues.

I would like to see the evidence that Korean troops committed these atrocities. My guess is that many of them are true, but that that morphed (by design maybe) into a legendary behavior that exceeded actual incidents. That's NOT an excuse for any of it, but it would easily reconcile the two major sides of the issue.

Korea cannot demand that Japan come clean if it doesn't come clean itself. That "the other side" has 100 or 1000 times more atrocities to atone for doesn't let your side off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>badukGet off the liar wagon.  Korean troops did commit atrocities.  All soldiers do.  </p>
<p>It is high time for us to admit those acts as they come out and truly appologize to Vietnamese people.  Hiding them only makes us look Japanese.I&#8217;ll go one better: hiding them only allows for the recurrence later on.</p>
<p>During World War II, while it is true that hundreds of thousands were serving the Japanese involuntarily, some of these conscripts and some of the volunteers did commit atrocities, particularly in the POW camps. A couple dozen Koreans, in fact, were executed for war crimes (a tiny percentage of the Japanese imperial total).</p>
<p>But because the issues and circumstances never really came to light for the general public, it was easy for them to be repeated, not just during Yugio, but also during the Vietnam War. And in the future, who knows? Maybe the way a lot of Korean factory heads run things in China and Southeast Asia is due to a lack of reflection on the capabilities of some Confucian-oriented Korean people in authority to do violent harm to their underlings. </p>
<p>And this is another reason why I find the right-wing Japanese rhetoric so disturbing. Painting the atrocities as little more than a huge fabrication or the war itself as a defensive war derails important Japanese attempts in the past to come to grips with the horrors committed by people from their culture, even themselves. By denying it, watering it down, or rationalizing it away, you make it more likely to happen in the future. And that is why at least some people are nervous about the rhetoric coming from Japan&#8217;s right and Koizumi&#8217;s lack of concern about some of these issues.</p>
<p>I would like to see the evidence that Korean troops committed these atrocities. My guess is that many of them are true, but that that morphed (by design maybe) into a legendary behavior that exceeded actual incidents. That&#8217;s NOT an excuse for any of it, but it would easily reconcile the two major sides of the issue.</p>
<p>Korea cannot demand that Japan come clean if it doesn&#8217;t come clean itself. That &#8220;the other side&#8221; has 100 or 1000 times more atrocities to atone for doesn&#8217;t let your side off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimbob,

Get off the liar wagon.  Korean troops did commit atrocities.  All soldiers do.  

It is high time for us to admit those acts as they come out and truly appologize to Vietnamese people.  Hiding them only makes us look Japanese. 

Admit your mistakes and truly repent.  Korean Christians do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimbob,</p>
<p>Get off the liar wagon.  Korean troops did commit atrocities.  All soldiers do.  </p>
<p>It is high time for us to admit those acts as they come out and truly appologize to Vietnamese people.  Hiding them only makes us look Japanese. </p>
<p>Admit your mistakes and truly repent.  Korean Christians do.</p>
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		<title>By: kimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response, watoro. Atrocities by Japanese were real and well documented and its scale goes beyond anything that Koreans allegedly did in Vietnam (and I've not seen any evidence other than what the communists in Hanoi say).  Japan invaded Asia to conquer and subjugate, On the other hand, Korea went to Vietnam to help America and South Vietnam fight communism - big difference.

Japanese atrocities in Asia were real. Korean atrocities in Vietnam are not real. Koreans also suffered the same fog of war that  Americans in Korean War also encountered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response, watoro. Atrocities by Japanese were real and well documented and its scale goes beyond anything that Koreans allegedly did in Vietnam (and I&#8217;ve not seen any evidence other than what the communists in Hanoi say).  Japan invaded Asia to conquer and subjugate, On the other hand, Korea went to Vietnam to help America and South Vietnam fight communism - big difference.</p>
<p>Japanese atrocities in Asia were real. Korean atrocities in Vietnam are not real. Koreans also suffered the same fog of war that  Americans in Korean War also encountered.</p>
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